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@PoptartProdigy I've never understood why Kakara wanting the political power that comes from training the strongest human translate into seeking personal power. Care to elaborate on that, please?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something?
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Sir LagsAlot on Mar 1, 2018 at 8:50 PM, finished with 224 posts and 59 votes.
 
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
 
I am... somewhat suspicious of the proposition that this is absolutely reliable, see "the Titanic is unsinkable" for reference. I accept that you're saying it, but I also accept that the "Lawful Evil," "actions have consequences," and "unreliable narrator" descriptors are applicable.

In addition to that, and independent of that, if we start interacting consistently with the dragon and especially if we start tapping the dragon for power, which is basically the only point of doing this at all AND the only reason the "Ambitious" trait is being applied to it...

We may well give the dragon opportunities to learn or deduce things, despite our having "mute/deafen" buttons for the dragon's interactions with us.

Sure, we could give the dragon such opportunities under the "chibi dragon" plan, but the "chibi dragon" gives us less incentive to build a strong relationship with the dragon and rely on it for advice or power.
I suppose that's fair. You are not obligated to believe that the sorcerers know what they're talking about.
I disagree on the knowledge part. He's an incredibly powerful mind reader and by all accounts incredibly long-lived. He's also dropped a lot of rumors of the wider galaxy, specific information about saiyins and the Enemy that probably wasn't explicitly looking for which implies that he actually keeps some level of tabs on the galaxy.

It'd also be useful to gain any constitutional knowledge he has, since he apparently a fairly skilled ki user, psychic and travels through space. @PoptartProdigy could he count as a tutor for any skills if he's relatively cooperative?

....What if One dies?
Then Dazarel is stuck in a corpse until the corpse is reincorporated.
@PoptartProdigy I've never understood how Kakara wanting the political power that comes from training the strongest human translate into seeking personal power. Care to elaborate on that, please?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something?
Exile society conflates personal and political power to a great extent, and many people simply want power.
 
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
 
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
 
I would say, seal him in a small-vehicle-sized, flight capable, vacuum-tolerant, capable of reaching escape velocity, dragon, with a modest ki reserve for quality of life and self-defense. Taking the sky and the stars from him would be cruel.
 
[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).
 
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).

@PoptartProdigy I understand why he can't be turned into a human, but at some point could he be further Masque to look like, say, a lizard of some kind? Seal away the wings, fire breath, and speech, maybe with a "lighter" seal that can be more easily turned on and off....

Also I am personally picking this with hopes of ultimately BEFRIENDING him, such that we can, one day, let our new friend Dazarel come bursting forth out of his Masque and wreck some faces.
 
I suppose that's fair. You are not obligated to believe that the sorcerers know what they're talking about.
They know what they're talking about, but they're also operating in previously unexplored territory, solving an unprecedented problem, in ways made possible by unprecedented new 'technology.'

The engineer who designed Galloping Gertie "knew what he was talking about" in the sense of being an experienced, competent man who had good technical training. He wasn't an idiot, incompetent, or braggart in the normal sense. His work was grounded in some of the best science known at the time.

He was, however, operating in a realm of forces and possibilities not entirely within his experience... and he missed an important problem.
 
Now that Kakara has the Genki Dama no super Saiyan rebellion will ever work so long as she has majority support.
 
[x] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Gore17 on Mar 1, 2018 at 9:16 PM, finished with 238 posts and 65 votes.
 
[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).
 
Please post pictures of your faces when the next update is Yammar shouting, "Look over there!", and hurling your new pet into the sun.
Honestly, "good riddance" would be pretty high on my list of priorities.

I don't consider Chibi Dazarel to be a necessary good, I just consider Chibi Dazarel to be preferable to "passenger in Kakara's head Dazarel"
 
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).

I'm torn. I'm more interested in self-seal for narrative reasons, for the potential power to aid us in being a Protector and for what I feel to be a better chance at safe containment of a threat in tumultuous times.
But. I also think this could be terrible for our relationship with Jaron and Jaffur in particular -- and everyone else besides. Who wouldn't hold some fear over what we would contain? Would it directly damage our amazing diplomacy -- even as much as we stand to gain from the prestige of this legendary victory?
We're already pursuing so many paths and our split attention could have cost us dearly -- it seems like it nearly did.
Can we really afford to take on the task of reforming and even protecting Dazarel almost completely alone?

And more importantly, do we really have the right to keep the misfits from a teensy-widdle grumpy-wumpy formerly-world-ending-but-now-he's-a-good-boy, oh yes he is, Dragon?
 
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