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Dragon Ball: After the End

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... Eh, might as well throw my hat... mask... thing into the ring for once.

[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).

Because this is overall the most amusing option for me. V:
 
Well, we now know the Dragons opinion so...

[x] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).
 
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Gore17 on Mar 1, 2018 at 7:39 PM, finished with 175 posts and 47 votes.
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[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).


Sealing him inside Kakara is hilariously greedy and definitely not in character. I say we leave him independent but depowered in order to make the future more interesting (as opposed to more repetitiously anime boring).
 
Cariyaga said:
So, definitely gonna need to take an action to spend time with Dazarel next year... mellow him out through contact through Kakara. (Though, that didn't work on Dandeer...)
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There's a significant extent to which you don't need to do this with somebody living in your own head, but you can.
Deathbybunnies said:
@PoptartProdigy would it be possible to leave the Dragon with a tiny fraction of his Psychic powers - like, the equivalent of a single-digits-power-level amount? It would be neat if he could fly, and demonstrate the Psychic abilities on the off-chance we could learn something about him. If this is possible, would it be dangerous? (The sorcerers sounded sure that this was safe due to a lack of loopholes, and I'd hate to introduce one.)


We haven't brought up the possibility of allowing the dragon to put its energy through the seal to use it ourselves, so we actually don't know that it's safe to do so. We can certainly find out very quickly though! @PoptartProdigy, would making use of Dazarel's power be dangerous, or can the sorcerers lock down any such power to be strictly under Kakara's control?
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Possible. The way their envisioned seal works is as a massive wall with no seams or doors. Looking for a clever way through would be like looking at a giant steel block and saying, "yeah, I bet there's a loophole through this thing." Just...not applicable. The analogy is not perfect, though, since Kakara can, at will, change how or if it is permeable.

How exactly you would or could make use of Dazarel's power is a big unknown.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
How exactly you would or could make use of Dazarel's power is a big unknown.
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There we go - we have no guarantees about how safe it would be to actually make use of Dazarel's power ourself. Ultimately, it remains a maybe-risky powerup-timesink when we already have so many powerup-timesinks we know are safe. It's just not worth the trouble, which means the vote comes down to if you want a voice in your head or a small floating angry lizard, and I know which I'd prefer.
 
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
 
Deathbybunnies said:
There we go - we have no guarantees about how safe it would be to actually make use of Dazarel's power ourself. Ultimately, it remains a maybe-risky powerup-timesink when we already have so many powerup-timesinks we know are safe. It's just not worth the trouble, which means the vote comes down to if you want a voice in your head or a small floating angry lizard, and I know which I'd prefer.
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That quote says nothing about safety, only ability.

Trying to frame it as 'this could be dangerous' is kind of nonsense in that regard.
 
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So it's currently 31 vs 25, in favor of Headpet rather the Headvoice.
Deathbybunnies said:
There we go - we have no guarantees about how safe it would be to actually make use of Dazarel's power ourself. Ultimately, it remains a maybe-risky powerup-timesink when we already have so many powerup-timesinks we know are safe. It's just not worth the trouble, which means the vote comes down to if you want a voice in your head or a small floating angry lizard, and I know which I'd prefer.
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We interpreted what Poptart said very differently it seems.

Me: It is unknown what benefits you would gain.
You: It is unknown how safe it would be.
 
Darkandus said:
That quote says nothing about safety, only ability.

Trying to frame it as 'this could be dangerous' is kind of nonsense in that regard.
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Gore17 said:
So it's currently 31 vs 25, in favor of Headpet rather the Headvoice.

We interpreted what Poptart said very differently it seems.

Me: It is unknown what benefits you would gain.
You: It is unknown how safe it would be.
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I asked specifically about safety, and was told It's unknown how it would function. It is therefore not known if it would be safe.

I'm not arguing that having him in our head would be dangerous, I'm arguing that using his power might be, and that it's not shiny enough to make taking that risk worth it over all the other things we want to work towards. Thus, it comes down to if you prefer having him in or out of our head, and I prefer out because interacting with other people not just through us will be better for his rehabilitation. And also funnier.
 
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[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
 
[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).

Vote weighting means that it is in character.
 
Cariyaga said:
So, anyone wanna chime in on which option would be better for rehabilitating him?
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Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Sealed inside Kakara gives a unique perspective, and a continual connection to miss "I love life, and I am very good at convincing people". But he's not out and about, which may impeded progress.
Chibi body means more direct interaction with others, and the direct weakness may teach him lessons. But it'd be harder to make him listen.
Deathbybunnies said:
I asked specifically about safety, and was told It's unknown how it would function. It is therefore not known if it would be safe.

I'm not arguing that having him in our head would be dangerous, I'm arguing that using his power might be, and that it's not shiny enough to make taking that risk worth it over all the other things we want to work towards. Thus, it comes down to if you prefer having him in or out of our head, and I prefer out because interacting with other people not just through us will be better for his rehabilitation. And also funnier.
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Here's how I interpreted: there's no clever way for him to get around the seal, and Kakara would be able to, at will, change what, if anything, gets through. Whether it'd even be possible to use the power is more up in the air.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
I did not see this coming.
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Yeah the chain of events where this outcome was possible was just unpredictable. After all if we had succeeded in our plan to re-invent the Genki Dama then our Dragon friend would have known about it almost immediately from reading our mind and been on the look out for it.

So this outcome was only possible because we tried a Hail Mary pass, flubbed it, then somehow recovered it for the touchdown.

PoptartProdigy said:
In fact, Apra was on the chopping block for this one, the way the fight was going.
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Honestly once we failed the initial Spirit Bomb research I was expecting Apra to kill herself with an Overdrived Shin Kikoho and Yammar and/or Berra to get crippled before we popped SSJ2 to "save" the day. Then had to deal with the fall out of shattering the Masquerade and starting the Apocalypse clock with everyone down except for the Lady Vegeta who would call for our summery execution. Ah the fun times we could have had!

Sadly we had to ruin all that by failing in the most awesome way possible.
 
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I need no moratorium for this C:

[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).
 
[X] Seal his powers away. Dazarel will still be a mountain-sized, flying, fire-breathing dragon with the ability to survive the depths of space, but he will no longer have abnormal ki and psychic abilities (least harsh, renders him within your abilities to handle if he gets out of line).

[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).

[X] Seal his powers away, and include an additional reversible punishment option of sealing him into a smaller body as needed.

Third option is what I really want, and is something @PoptartProdigy indicated would be a possible write-in, but with approval voting I may as well vote all I'd accept.
 
[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).
 
So... hm.

If we sealed her in Kakara's head, would it be possible to send him out of her head in a multiform?
 
[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).

We the soul nomad now
 
Actually, with Dazzarel in our head, even if we don't have his power it would mean that we are the only ones with access to his expertise and knowledge of the galaxy, which should be a great boon anyways. It would also mean that anyone who wants to try and learn something from him would have to ask us first, which is another safeguard against him being used against us.

It actually seems safer to have him inside us since even if we distrust how safe it is to use his powers or if it is worth it to spend time trying to learn them, we can simply choose not to.

Besides and more importantly... it saves us a socialise action to have him in our head. Unless you were planning to forget he exists and not spend time with him, having him in our head saves us the action we would spend doing so to reform him and we have seen already he is bad at manipulation, presumably because he has never been in a position in which it was relevant before.
 
ff2345 said:
We the soul nomad now
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...Why didn't I think of that comparison?!?

Bakkasama said:
Actually, with Dazzarel in our head, even if we don't have his power it would mean that we are the only ones with access to his expertise and knowledge of the galaxy, which should be a great boon anyways. It would also mean that anyone who wants to try and learn something from him would have to ask us first, which is another safeguard against him being used against us.

It actually seems safer to have him inside us since even if we distrust how safe it is to use his powers or if it is worth it to spend time trying to learn them, we can simply choose not to.

Besides and more importantly... it saves us a socialise action to have him in our head. Unless you were planning to forget he exists and not spend time with him, having him in our head saves us the action we would spend doing so to reform him and we have seen already he is bad at manipulation, presumably because he has never been in a position in which it was relevant before.
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Alternatively, take the action, get better results.
 
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