Dragon Ball: After the End

fictionfan said:

I have no idea what wish we would ask for even if he was a wish granting dragon.

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Honestly, if we could wish for his power to be massively limited it would solve most of our immediate problems. In fact, he'd probably go along with it if he thought the alternative was death.

Bakkasama said:

Kakara: Can you grant wishes?
Daz: Sure can! I would need you to release me for me to do my magic though.
Dandeer: I might just be the foremost expert on magic in the planet. But I think that might be a lie.
Daz: I am a dragon! Your argument is invalid!
Berra: But...
Daz: Invalid!

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The saddest part is, we hate Dandeer SO MUCH that I think we would take a malus to any chance to believe her.

In fact, anything she says we can easily assume will be a lie.

Dandeer: "Kakara, the dragon cannot grant wishes."
Kakara: "Really? Great!" *snaps Seals* "Oh mighty dragon, grant my wish for the breaking of the Seal on Scion Jaffur, while retaining Jaron as a unique person!"

---

Dandeer: "Kakara, aliens are invading."
Kakara: "What? Who let all these weird Saiyans in strange Masques in here? There's no such thing as aliens, Goku killed them all!"

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Dandeer: "Kakara, the sun is shining."
Kakara: *has already finished building an Ark*

Deathbybunnies said:

Honestly, if we could wish for his power to be massively limited it would solve most of our immediate problems. In fact, he'd probably go along with it if he thought the alternative was death.

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But if he's a jerkass genie?

"Very well, my power is massively limited. By necessity, an enchanted item is required to limit it. I chose this ice sculpture as the limiting object."

[X][ACTION] Fight him into submission before you do anything else.

[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
-[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
--[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.

[X][ACTION] Fight him into submission before you do anything else.
[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

I don't think we're going to secure any co-operation, but its the principle that matters here.

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[X][ACTION] Try one last time to talk him down before fighting.
[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
-[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")

Drasizard said:

So Jaffur can learn it then. In addition to my previous questions does magic in this setting run off a separate source than the users ki? Does being a powerful fighter increase the strength of your magic? Can ki fuel magic? Dende's healing beam couldn't have taken a lot of power to use so can a fighter with a gift for magic continuously heal themselves? Is such a cheating synergy possible? if possible, It would effectively mean that a fighter that can use it cannot be worn down and they could operate like the infinite energy model androids with an additional healing factor. The only way to take them down would be in one shot unless the ability could be blocked.

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If having a higher power level made your magic significantly stronger, sorcerors would have an incentive to train their power levels and wouldn't be among the weedier members of the Exile culture. It seems that in the extreme limiting case (like super saiyans) having that extra well of power to draw on helps somehow, but it doesn't automatically make magic orders of magnitude more powerful that we can see. Magic doesn't appear to be cast from ki reserves at all, as demonstrated by there being some fairly capable magicians among the natives of Earth.

KaintukeeBob said:

I'm picturing the thread as a group of five-year-olds in the back of a car, "Are they here yet?"

And Poptart as the parent in the driver's seat, massaging the bridge of their nose, flatly saying, "No."

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...I don't want to be DBZA Nappa.

Gore17 said:

*sighs* People keep going on about "the risks", without actually providing any evidence for it.

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To a large number of players, it is basic common sense that sealing the dragon inside Kakara be considered a risky undertaking. None of our sorcerors have any experience with anything appreciably like this. There is no directly comparable instance in Dragonball canon and the most analogous ones are not very encouraging. We simply flat out do not have enough information on the mind/soul/spirit dynamics involved to rule out alarming possibilities, including but not limited to:


1) The dragon somehow vying for control of our body when we spirit-walk

2) The dragon somehow vying for control of our body when we sleep

3) The dragon finding a way to send at least limited information or energy through its Seal (as Jaffur, for example, has) and using that ability against us.

4) The dragon constantly trying to corrupt us which would be at best an annoying distraction

5) Our own attempts to somehow draw power or knowledge from the dragon via some kind of one-way passage through the Seal accidentally setting it loose.


Maybe Poptart gave you a detailed QM Guide to this quest that the rest of us don't have (in which case [expletive deleted] for nakedly abusing insider information you can't or won't reveal), but going with the information WE have, it is extremely unwise for us to casually assume we can just 'do' this.

Gore17 said:

Because all plans that entail magically sealing him safely will entail sealing his psychic powers. If we can't do so, then we can't actually contain him.

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It's entirely possible that we can seal his psychic power but not his skill, and that he will remain in telepathic contact with his own prison because by nature he is in contact with it. If he's been sealed inside, say, a rice cooker, that won't matter. If he's sealed inside a living being, it will.


Furthermore, it seems like a lot of those who want to seal the dragon inside Kakara ALSO want to at some point gain power or knowledge from the dragon. This may require opening a breach in the seal, and in turn make some kind of mental contact possible.

[X][ACTION] Fight him into submission before you do anything else.

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

I like the idea of using the revelation as a tool to help persuade the dragon, so this seems like my favored sequence of events.

The general rule of for dragon wishes in Dragon ball is that they can solve any problem, but the plot.

Simon_Jester said:

Furthermore, it seems like a lot of those who want to seal the dragon inside Kakara ALSO want to at some point gain power or knowledge from the dragon. This may require opening a breach in the seal, and in turn make some kind of mental contact possible.

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We have so many paths to power already, with half a dozen promising ideas to research even more. A dragon-fuelled powerup just isn't worth the risk.

Research Projects
EDIT: Hey, I need to cross one off the list!

[X][ACTION] Fight him into submission before you do anything else.

[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

[X] Simon_Jester

[X][ACTION] Fight him into submission before you do anything else.

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

Kakara: *Beats the crap out of Dazzarel*
Everyone: (Cheers!)
Kakara: Ok, I have a dragonton of lizard and no place to put it. Any ideas?
Yammar: We could eat it.
Kakara: Denied. It is sentient and we don't know where it has been. I need a magical containment.
Dandeer: Typical. Asking for things you have no understanding of. Just kill it already!
Kakara: No. Mercy is mine to give.
Dandeer: It doesn't deserve mercy!
Kakara: Neither did Vegeta
Berra: Agreed
Everyone else: ... (Shocked silence)
Kakara: I meant the Ancestor. When he first came to Earth.
Berra: Yes, of course. I knew that.
Kakara: So. Suggestions?
Dazzarel: YOU APE! YOU WILL NEVER CONTAIN MY-
Sorcerer 1: We could seal it under the ice.
Sorcerer 2: How about some dragon balls?
Sorcerer 3: I always wanted a flying dog...
Berra: I have a rice cooker here.
Dandeer: Why do you have a rice cooker? Where do you have a rice cooker?
Berra: Capsule. Half of them were rice cookers for a reason...
Dazzarel: -MIGHT! I AM A GOD TO YOUR-
Kakara: Could we seal it inside a person?
Apra: Why would you seal it in a person?
Maya: M-maybe i-into a baby? So it can be raised right?
Dazzarel: -PUNY-- Hell no! I am not going to be sealed into a baby!
Yammar: I am starting to warm to idea.
Dazzarel: I am right here!
Apra: Who is going to raise him though? Raising a dragon is a big responsibility and we need someone to set a good example.
Dazzarel: LISTEN TO ME DAMN IT!
Dandeer: Well, I don't mean to brag, but if you want a good mother...
Kakara: No
Apra: No
Berra: No
Dazzarel: HELL NO!
Yammar: That seems pointlessly cruel. We are not savages.
Dandeer: Hey!
Kakara: Well, I listened to suggestions and I think I can make my choice now. But first... Dazzarel, you mentioned something about saiyans in space?
Dazzarel: I will never talk, ape.
Kakara: Ok, someone bring me a baby
Dazzaral: ClosetothecenterofthegalaxywheretheTechtechusedtolive....

Bakkasama, it's not my quest, but if it was, I'd give you an omake bonus. That was great.

"That seems pointlessly cruel. We are not savages." From Yammar.

Priceless.

Simon_Jester said:

Priceless.

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One might even say

Savage

[X][ACTION] Try one last time to talk him down before fighting.
[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

[X][ACTION] Try one last time to talk him down before fighting.

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

[X][ACTION] Fight him into submission before you do anything else.

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

[X][ACTION] Fight him into submission before you do anything else.
[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")
[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

If we we're to double the Saiyan population then Spirit Saiyan would be quite a bit stronger than most estimates for Super Saiyan God.

My concerns:

1. Edit: I think in all cases, it's advantageous to begin by consulting the sorcerers so they can begin as soon as possible; if it's even possible to suppress his power.
2. Edit2: Although, interrogating them first so we have better information to give to the sorcerers might also be good.
3. Voting for too many of the resolutions will mean we don't dedicate enough time to actually enact a plan... don't think it's likely.
4. Votes for slightly different ordering but lack of approval voting: e.g: interrogate then cooperate, cooperate then all is one.
5. Sharing All is One as a breach of consent or could be taken poorly by Dazarel. I trust Kakara to have some idea what's okay here and not.
6. The word interrogation has bad connotations, but it is important we secure information. I can't see Kakara being cruel in this though.
7. Talking it out won't go well and we'll waste time that could have been spent on resolutions. Although, a prideful being like Daz could take being thoroughly beaten very poorly. I'm assuming they at one point did have to fight something / someone and this won't be their first loss.

[X][ACTION] Fight him into submission before you do anything else.

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

Edit: will add the same again but without interrogation, just waiting till I get on the computer.
Edit2: All permutations of the vote that I care for. Mostly repeating the above excepting telepathy first (next edit).
Edit3: Added interrogate first, sorcerers second. With cooperation then revelation and vice versa.
Edit4: Fixed the initial vote set (was missing sorcery first, telepathy second permutations).
Edit5: Added Joke Vote

[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
-[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.

[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
-[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

No Interrogation
[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
-[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.

All Wish &/OR Tickle Permutations of the initial set (excludes the no interrogation options).
[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")
-----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!
[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!
-----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")


[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")
-----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!
-----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")


[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")
-----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!
-----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")


[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")
-----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!
-----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")


[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!
-----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")


[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!

[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--[X][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
---[X][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
----[X][RESOLUTION] Tickles!
-----[X][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")



[JK][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[JK][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
--[JK][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---[JK][RESOLUTION] Use telepathy to transmit the sensation of the revelation you've just experienced into his head. Maybe that will help to reform him.
----[JK][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
-----[JK][RESOLUTION] Tickles!
------[JK][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
-------[JK][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.
--------[JK][RESOLUTION] Try to secure his cooperation with your decision on what to do with him.
---------[JK][RESOLUTION] See if he is a wish-granting dragon and, if he is, coerce one from him. (x1.25, from, "Ambitious")
----------[JK][RESOLUTION] Tickles!

fictionfan said:

If we we're to double the Saiyan population then Spirit Saiyan would be quite a bit stronger than most estimates for Super Saiyan God.

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I'm not really sure I want to know how you're thinking we go about doing that in a relevant timeframe. Besides, we're already doing well on that front - your idea of a podcast is about to become incredibly popular given we're now the single most famous person on Garenhuld, and we're basically demonstrating how to use the stuff we used to save the world and defeat the Unknown. The collective PL of Garenhuld is likely to go up by a non-negligible amount.

fictionfan said:

If we we're to double the Saiyan population then Spirit Saiyan would be quite a bit stronger than most estimates for Super Saiyan God.

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You know what would be faster? Raising the average PL of the population.

I mean, our descendants would be screwed if a rebellion comes but we are popular enough to avoid that for a few years.

[X][ACTION] Fight him into submission before you do anything else.
[X][RESOLUTION] Consult the sorcerers for their opinions on magic solutions (next update has a vote on the various options the sorcerers present).
-[X][RESOLUTION] Interrogate him.

Also...

Simon_Jester said:

...I don't want to be DBZA Nappa.

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I do. Nappa was hilarious... and awesome... and awesomely hilarious... and hilariously awesome... you get the picture.