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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Adhoc vote count started by Gore17 on Feb 27, 2018 at 12:46 AM, finished with 451 posts and 62 votes.
  • [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, knock him out while you decide what to do with him.
    [X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] See if the Sorcerers can Seal him or something.
    [X] Defeat him, then show him how All Is One
    [X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting while harming him as little as possible.
    -[X] Talk to him, try to make him see reason, try to convince him to surrender himself to us if we can't make him change his mind.
    - -[X] if we can't reach him with words and he doesn't surrender himself make him go unconscious without harming him, and ask the sorcerers if they can force a masque on him to seal most if not all his power while mantaining his memories and personality. Then hand him to your father so he could be taken to prison for the crimes he committed.
    [X] Subdue the dragon utterly. Stun it, physically disable it if you have to. Hold it in place and lock it down with raw power.
    -[X] Call on all the sorcerors to Seal away its psychic and ki powers.
    -[X] Interrogate it. It calls itself an embodiment of endings, it claims to be a devourer of worlds, and you will know why.
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, try and seal him within yourself. You'll be his prison, warden and guard.
    [x]Hold down the dragon. Ask the sorcerers "Can you turn him into dragon balls"
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, knock him out while you decide what to do with him.
    ---[X] Ask both the sorcerers and the seers if it's possible to Seal him away (the sorcerer's if it's possible, and the seers to check if they can see if he'll manage to break out).
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down. See if sharing the knowledge and sensation that All is One can convince him onto a better path.
    [X] Beat Dazarel like a drum until he is no longer able to pose a credible threat, preferably by beating him into unconsciousness.
    - [X] Once that is done, conference with the adults to figure out what to do with him.
    -- [X] Bring up the idea of sealing him, either into a human form or into something/someone else.
    [X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting while harming him as little as possible.
    -[X] Talk to him, try to make him see reason, try to convince him to surrender himself to us if we can't make him change his mind.
    [X] Tickles!
    [X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] See if the Sorcerers can Seal him in the Collective Ki of the planet, or in yourself.
    [x] Fight him.
    -[x] During the fight talk with him, ask him why he does what it does, why did he come here, and all that jazz.
    --[x] Send what you just realized and felt to his mind, the wonder of everything being conected and one.
    ---[x] Beat the crap out off him with vengeance.
    ----[x] While doing so contact the sorcerers and ask about sealing him, or at least his mind shenanigans, and if they think is doable proceed to next step.
    -----[x] Tell the Insolent Worm that you unfortunatelly can't let him go, that he will have to choose, either she will have to kill him, or he will be sealed somehow, still be able to live as he is a part of the whole, hopefully after that he will be a more helpful one.
    ------[x] If he denies being sealed or tries to escape, kill him, there is no other way.
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[x] Then hand him off to your head of house to determine his fate.
    [X] Feel the grass.
    -[X] Have a Multiform in Golden Oozaru form distract the Dragon.
    -[X] Ask the sorcerers if they can make it so the dragon can't sense us charging our attack.
    [X] Kill him. Utterly Destroy him.
    [X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] See if the Sorcerers can Seal him or something.[X] Subdue the dragon utterly. Stun it, physically disable it if you have to. Hold it in place and lock it down with raw power.
    --[X] Call on all the sorcerors to Seal away its psychic and ki powers.
    ---[X] Interrogate it. It calls itself an embodiment of endings, it claims to be a devourer of worlds, and you will know why
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, knock him out while you decide what to do with him.[X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    ---[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down. See if sharing the knowledge and sensation that All is One can convince him onto a better path.
    ----[X] If he refuses, see if you can seal him inside yourself, becoming both prison and warden.
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, try and find out if he can grant wishes, If he can, wish for him to spend the rest of his life roaming the universe doing good.
    [X] Cruel and Kind
    -[X] Physical: Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Mental: Force understanding on Dazarel - understanding of value of life and connection to others.
    -[X] Seal him in human body, with all human shortcomings and limitats - but also with all human capability to feel. (ask sorcerers to do it if needed)
    --[X] Let adults judge him.
    [X] May you find peace in your next life.
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, knock him out while you decide what to do with him.
    ---[X] Ask both the sorcerers and the seers if it's possible to Seal him away (the sorcerer's if it's possible, and the seers to check if they can see if he'll manage to break out).
    [X]If sealing him inside you is a good idea do that.
    [X] Talk to him, try to make him see reason, try to convince him to surrender himself to us if we can't make him change his mind.
    [X] See if the Sorcerers can Seal him or something.
    [X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down. See if sharing the knowledge and sensation that All is One can convince him onto a better path.
    --[X] If he refuses, see if you can seal him inside yourself, becoming both prison and warden.
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, try and seal him within yourself. You'll be his prison, warden and guard.
    ---[X] Use the Sight to see if it's plausible and safe first. Either yourself, or one of the other Seers if they've recovered from whatever Dazarel has done to them.
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[X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting while harming him as little as possible.
-[X] Talk to him, try to make him see reason, try to convince him to surrender himself to us if we can't make him change his mind.
- -[X] if we can't reach him with words and he doesn't surrender himself make him go unconscious without harming him, and ask the sorcerers if they can force a masque on him to seal most if not all his power while mantaining his memories and personality. Then hand him to your father so he could be taken to prison for the crimes he committed.

[X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
-[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
--[X] If he refuses, knock him out while you decide what to do with him.

[X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
-[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down. See if sharing the knowledge and sensation that All is One can convince him onto a better path.

Mostly I just want to talk to our Dragon....friend and try and understand him a little. Personally I'd prefer to Seal him by turning him into a en-see Dwagon, having him be our team pet ala Puar for a time amuses me to no end, but turning him into a Human would also be acceptable, though much less comedic. If I'm being honest my preferred scenario would be to somehow seal him away into Maya or maybe Jenny from the Misfits, though there is no way in HIFL Kakara would allow that, she'd take him in herself first and I'd rather not do that. Just the Idea of getting Maya or Jenny a power up, especially the kind with strings like this might be interesting. But I really want the talking as part of the plan.
 
Lailoken said:
I swear to Shenron, what do you people have against tickles? Statistically, you couldn't all have been younger siblings.
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Given that there could theoretically be an infinite number of half-mothers to each of us, leading to an infinite number of older siblings, it is, theoretically, possible that we were all younger siblings.
 
Augh! Why is the leading vote for talking to him before knocking him out? Even if we're a pacifist, we don't have to act like abridged Goku!

From what we know, spirit sayin won't last forever, and if it runs out during our talk with him, we die.
 
Alanek said:
Augh! Why is the leading vote for talking to him before knocking him out? Even if we're a pacifist, we don't have to act like abridged Goku!

From what we know, spirit sayin won't last forever, and if it runs out during our talk with him, we die.
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Poptart has said that it won't run out before the end of the next update. And we are so hilariously beyond him right now that there really isn't a reason we can't try talking first.
 
I'm a middle sibling. I've had to suffer through tickling from elder siblings I couldn't stop, and younger siblings I wasn't allowed to stop.
 
[X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
-[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
--[X] If he refuses, try and seal him within yourself. You'll be his prison, warden and guard.
 
Question for training later. Is Dende style healing magic or ki based? and since it's good as a senzu if a little slower can you use it on yourself or use it on yourself using multiform?
 
[X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
-[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
--[X] If he refuses, try and seal him within yourself. You'll be his prison, warden and guard.
 
Gore17 said:
Here's a question: why?

Is it worries about his psychic powers? Because no matter how we Seal Dazarel, those have to be sealed, or we can't contain him. So that's irrelevant.
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My worry is that we may be able to seal his power but not his expertise. A master-class psychic will have a great deal of experience and knowledge at psychic conflict and manipulation. Normally he'd need to combine that with power to crowbar his influence into our heads, but we just went and invited him in, so that wouldn't matter.

Is it worry about possession/him taking over? Without access to his psychic might, that's going to be hard, especially considering that sealing him inside Kakara would naturally involve counter-measures against that, Kakara's high Willpower Score and that she's going to be learning Mind Delve, and thus the associated mental defences soon.
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And we're going to have to keep up a psychic Maginot Line inside our own head, with defenses pointing inward to contain the dragon, for the rest of our lives. Anything that could cause our concentration or willpower or focus to slip, any disaster, any unexpected magical attack of an exotic kind, could cause disaster.

I'm not worried about her failing any individual Willpower/Mind Delve check. I'm worried about her not passing ALL the Willpower/Mind Delve checks, forever, for the rest of her life. Speaking of which...

Is it worry that he somehow manage to escape? Because Kakara's body is far stronger then the standard prisons.
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A person's body is not an inanimate object suitable for consideration as a prison, if alternatives exist. Furthermore, Kakara is not immortal, and if the dragon is sealed inside her there is no reliable guarantee that her descendants won't have to deal with the dragon again upon her death.

"Keep this dragon confined within me" is the kind of thing a character volunteers to do if they have very little else they intend to do with their lives, because they have an absolute responsibility to keep the world-ending entity confined. They can't go do other stuff that could conceivably weaken their focus on confinement of the entity. Kakara, by contrast, has a loooot of other plans.

Gore17 said:
I have suggested we use the Sight to get idea if it's plausible/useful/safe before. In fact, I'll make a vote for it right now.

[] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
-[] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
--[] If he refuses, try and seal him within yourself. You'll be his prison, warden and guard.
---[] Use the Sight to see if it's plausible and safe first. Either yourself, or one of the other Seers if they've recovered from whatever Dazarel has done to them.
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I definitely don't want to vote for any plan that involves three recursive layers of steps when "defeat the dragon and talk to him" are only the first two steps. Precommitting to how we deal with the dragon after we talk to him isn't a go

Alanek said:
Augh! Why is the leading vote for talking to him before knocking him out? Even if we're a pacifist, we don't have to act like abridged Goku!

From what we know, spirit sayin won't last forever, and if it runs out during our talk with him, we die.
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If we were planning to kill the dragon, it would really be that simple.

It is very unlikely that we will be able to come up with a good plan for sealing away the dragon without at least a little more information.

Deathbybunnies said:
I would guess it's magic, given that our complete inventory of learnable Exile styles didn't bring it up.
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Dende being a really good ki healer doesn't seem implausible, though. I think we should parse the original question is "is healing in the manner of Dende a magical ability or a ki ability," not "in the art called Dende Style, is the healing magical or ki-based?"

Given that we know ki healing exists and can do some fairly impressive things, Dende being a ki healer would work, wouldn't it?
 
May I just note that I'm a bit frustrated that we have voters who are supporting "beat the dragon then absorb him" but not "beat the dragon then decide what to do next?"

It seems like something of an abuse of the approval voting system, because the whole point of approval voting is to support consensus plans that a supermajority can agree on over tug-of-war competitions between mutually exclusive plans that come down to disagreement over a single detail of the plan.
 
Gore17 said:
Dende's is magic based I believe.
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Gore17 said:
Dende's is magic based I believe.
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So Jaffur can learn it then. In addition to my previous questions does magic in this setting run off a separate source than the users ki? Does being a powerful fighter increase the strength of your magic? Can ki fuel magic? Dende's healing beam couldn't have taken a lot of power to use so can a fighter with a gift for magic continuously heal themselves? Is such a cheating synergy possible? if possible, It would effectively mean that a fighter that can use it cannot be worn down and they could operate like the infinite energy model androids with an additional healing factor. The only way to take them down would be in one shot unless the ability could be blocked.
 
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