- Location
- England, unfortunately.
- Pronouns
- She/They
She's also standing on the same planet we're on.
This is where she keeps Jaron and all her stuff.
Dragon Ball: After the End
This is where she keeps Jaron and all her stuff.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
[facepalm]
Okay, assuming we all live through this we have GOT to start putting some actions into dealing with some of the high politics stuff, among other things the part where Berra appears to trust Dandeer waaay too much.
- Location
- England, unfortunately.
- Pronouns
- She/They
That's kinda been getting broken a bit at a time, especially when she showed explicitly 0 fucks given about anyone who isn't a Saiyan Dying in the war.
-you say of pretty much the only person who isn't actively scheming against him...
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Wow that is actually likely true and a bit sad.
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CaesriusPolybius
Worldgate Mechanic
- Location
- United States. Ish.
[X] Feel the grass.
-[X] Have a Multiform in Golden Oozaru form distract the Dragon.
-[X] Ask the sorcerers if they can make it so the dragon can't sense us charging our attack.
[X] Feel the grass.
-[X] Have a Multiform in Golden Oozaru form distract the Dragon.
-[X] Ask the sorcerers if they can make it so the dragon can't sense us charging our attack.
[X] Feel the grass.
Actually, isn't our base form going going to be at 187.5 million even with just two clones, since our base power gets split in two from 375 million to 187.5? ..Or maybe I just misunderstand how this works, gah.
And the main problem I see with trying to get Maya to coordinate the sorcerers is that I'm not sure she'd even know how to contact them, and even if she did, coaching her on what to do is likely going to take as long time as just telling them ourselves, and I don't think we have time to waste right now.
- Location
- England, unfortunately.
- Pronouns
- She/They
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Basically, we have one clone using the full power of our saiyan body, and one clone using the full power of our oozaru body. The base-body power pool isn't split because the two clones aren't drawing from the same pool because they're not using the same base body.
Then the oozaru body clone taps the full super-saiyan power supply, too.
That's a fair point, which is why I also voted for several options that leave Maya out of the issue entirely.
Also, everyone else conspiring against him basically wants him to be fine, they don't want to overthrow him or hurt him. The only reason there's even a problem is because he decided to double down on sealing Jaffur and support Dandeer in doing so, which (we have reason to suspect) he did because Dandeer tricked him.
So it's like, he's trusting the person whose bad and self-serving advice got him into this mess, rather than the people who would be fully supporting him if he hadn't trusted the bad adviser in the first place.
...Did anything ever come of our decision to try scrying, or to get other Seers to scry, on the events that took place on the night of the Sealing?
Again, Dandeer has a murderous rage for Kakara. She would be willing to kill herself to get her. There must be plenty of opportunities for sneakiness if she is invited to cast directly on her while the other sorcerers are distracted and an Eldritch horror with unknown supernatural powers is on the field. Plus, the sorcerers are already doing something important according to a prepared plan.
Don't get the sorcerers involved.
Don't get the sorcerers involved.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
No; the issue was that the other seers were running their juice dry in between banging their heads against whatever the dragon had passively going on to fuck with the sight and trying to scry out failure points for the conspiracy. You didn't have conscious control over your visions. With your unlocking of conscious vision control this year, regular yearly options to scry for things will now be on the option list.
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- Location
- USA
[X] Feel the grass.
-[X] Have a Multiform in Golden Oozaru form distract the Dragon.
-[X] Ask the sorcerers if they can make it so the dragon can't sense us charging our attack.
[X] Feel the grass.
-[X] Have a Multiform in Golden Oozaru form distract the Dragon.
Because of approval voting, your votes for just feel the grass are actively hurting the chance of a GO distraction vote from winning.
We're going to feel the grass no matter want at this point, bit if you want to do more than that you should not aprovala vote the basic feel the grass option.
While the sorcerers are a risk, it's the leading plan with GO. Not voting for it is fine, but please at least update your vote to one that will at least help the GO distraction climb high enough that Poptart will consider tacking it on if when the basic feel the grass option wins at this point.
-[X] Have a Multiform in Golden Oozaru form distract the Dragon.
-[X] Ask the sorcerers if they can make it so the dragon can't sense us charging our attack.
[X] Feel the grass.
-[X] Have a Multiform in Golden Oozaru form distract the Dragon.
Because of approval voting, your votes for just feel the grass are actively hurting the chance of a GO distraction vote from winning.
We're going to feel the grass no matter want at this point, bit if you want to do more than that you should not aprovala vote the basic feel the grass option.
While the sorcerers are a risk, it's the leading plan with GO. Not voting for it is fine, but please at least update your vote to one that will at least help the GO distraction climb high enough that Poptart will consider tacking it on if when the basic feel the grass option wins at this point.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
@Lailoken :
Yeah, if the object of the game is to keep "tell the sorcerors" from succeeding in any capacity, the correct response is to vote for ALL the plans that don't tell the sorcerors, while focusing one's energy on explaining why it's important to not tell the sorcerors.
If people who strongly want ragemonkey and kinda want sorcerors can compromise with people who don't want sorcerors but kinda want ragemonkey, that is great.
EDIT:
Right now we've got a huge mass of one-line "Feel the grass" votes that are likely to carry the day, plus a large minority of "ragemonkey" voters who also support "sorcerors." Persuading "ragemonkey' voters to support "ragemonkey but no sorceror" plans too would help.
As it is, the situation is kind of subverting the intent of approval voting. Because a vote for "feel the grass" is ONLY a vote for "feel the grass AND DO NOTHING ELSE." And a vote for one and only one write-in variant on "feel the grass" is ONLY a vote for that specific variant, not for anything else that includes some but not all of the parts the voter wants.
Yeah, if the object of the game is to keep "tell the sorcerors" from succeeding in any capacity, the correct response is to vote for ALL the plans that don't tell the sorcerors, while focusing one's energy on explaining why it's important to not tell the sorcerors.
If people who strongly want ragemonkey and kinda want sorcerors can compromise with people who don't want sorcerors but kinda want ragemonkey, that is great.
EDIT:
Right now we've got a huge mass of one-line "Feel the grass" votes that are likely to carry the day, plus a large minority of "ragemonkey" voters who also support "sorcerors." Persuading "ragemonkey' voters to support "ragemonkey but no sorceror" plans too would help.
As it is, the situation is kind of subverting the intent of approval voting. Because a vote for "feel the grass" is ONLY a vote for "feel the grass AND DO NOTHING ELSE." And a vote for one and only one write-in variant on "feel the grass" is ONLY a vote for that specific variant, not for anything else that includes some but not all of the parts the voter wants.
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- Location
- Actually pretty lost
From memory, I think in the past a write-in subvote has required a 50% voter approval to pass? So we're actually already there?
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
It depends on how Poptart counts.
Right now there are 20 votes for 'bare' Feel the Grass. 21 if you count Terrabrand's vote which is different only because of having a different font.
15 votes for "Ragemonkey" and "ask the sorcerors" with no Maya involvement.
3 votes for "Ragemonkey" only.
And a LOT of split-up vote options that include Maya telling the sorcerors, most but not all of them involving Ragemonkey.
It would be very hard to get an accurate count that fairly tallied everything, but if Poptart just went with the leading option, they'd be going with a bare 'Feel the Grass' vote.
The only write-in anywhere near the threshold of winning is "ragemonkey, and sorcerors, but no Maya." Because most of the people who voted for "ragemonkey and sorcerors" DIDN'T vote for "ragemonkey but no sorcerors" or "sorcerors but no ragemonkey" as alternates, because so many of us AREN'T using approval voting properly.
Right now there are 20 votes for 'bare' Feel the Grass. 21 if you count Terrabrand's vote which is different only because of having a different font.
15 votes for "Ragemonkey" and "ask the sorcerors" with no Maya involvement.
3 votes for "Ragemonkey" only.
And a LOT of split-up vote options that include Maya telling the sorcerors, most but not all of them involving Ragemonkey.
It would be very hard to get an accurate count that fairly tallied everything, but if Poptart just went with the leading option, they'd be going with a bare 'Feel the Grass' vote.
The only write-in anywhere near the threshold of winning is "ragemonkey, and sorcerors, but no Maya." Because most of the people who voted for "ragemonkey and sorcerors" DIDN'T vote for "ragemonkey but no sorcerors" or "sorcerors but no ragemonkey" as alternates, because so many of us AREN'T using approval voting properly.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
We are just telling the sorcerers to hide our power level (which we already know they can do, at least until we start gathering the energy for the spirit bomb and break said ward), not actually coordinating with them on what they can or can't do. That means it is just as simple as the ragemonkey clone telling them what to do.
Well, there are a lot of sorcerers with her who hopefully would notice if she tried foul play BUT I don't think it is likely she would put a curse on us in this case since not only would it actively harm the efforts to protect her family if she did but it would be hard to hide and get her murdered just to mess with one of our clones. The most likely scenario is that she will say we are not her boss and she has command on the sorcerors and then keep doing what she is doing, her mind telling her we are entitled child that don't know what she is doing. That would be actually be something she can justify as if it were in the best interests of the exiles even if she does it just to spite us.
- Location
- Space~
[jk] Feel the grass.... maaaan
Who knew that Grandpa Gohan was 420 friendly?
Who knew that Grandpa Gohan was 420 friendly?
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I think the sorcery request might just be two Communications checks - one versus Dandeer which we may or may not win (she hates us but, you know, it's a fight to save the world) and then if we fail that one, a n easier check for all the sorcerers who don't like Dandeer to do it anyway, which we will almost certainly pass.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Yes, Team Fighting is a pretty high priority combat-wise, as soon as we're at least up to Talented with Tien's stuff. I think the thread wants to go Perfect Multiform (at least the first action to get Multiform up to Exceptional, but probably continuing it) and Tien's stuff, then either putting Team Fighting up to Exceptional or the Kaio-Ken, which should still stack fine with all the other PL tricks as none of them actually increase real PL. Combat actions are likely to wind down a little as we get things up to acceptable levels, but hopefully with our various crises all wrapping up this year or the next we might stay on-track due to more free actions, but MF and just not putting out fires.
We do probably need to include more "fun" stuff too though, if our breakdown earlier this year was any indication - drama club seems like a good way to do that.
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[X] Feel the grass.
-[X] out of line of sight to the dragon.
-[X] Ask Maya to tell the Sorcerers what you know.
-[X] out of line of sight to the dragon.
-[X] Ask Maya to tell the Sorcerers what you know.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
That particular option has almost zero chance of winning. While thanks to approval voting you can TOTALLY promote that option if you like, would you like to also consider promoting another front-runner?
Say, one or more of the options that involves spinning off a multiform Golden Oozaru to help the other royals and keep them alive while our base-form clone charges the Spirit Bomb?
Or a 'clean vote' "Feel the Grass" option, if you're opposed to the 'DISTRACTION OOZARU' tactic?
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
For training, tien style, genkidama and ki concentration, at least to a useful level. Also elite ki sensing. Then research perfect multiform.
After that? There are a few things with oozaru I would like to try (the adaptation training Jaffur suggested and getting our base body used to the increase in pl uniting with an oozaru clone would entail) but there was no consensus.
After that? There are a few things with oozaru I would like to try (the adaptation training Jaffur suggested and getting our base body used to the increase in pl uniting with an oozaru clone would entail) but there was no consensus.
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