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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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Throwing my hand into the 'retiring ships debate' wood chipper.

I'd feel comfortable retiring Miranda's on two conditions.

1. After the number of commissioned Comets equals or exceeds the number of Mirandas

2. After Condition 1 is Achieved, retiring one Miranda for every one or two further Comets commissioned.

Briefvoice said:
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That sounds slightly squicky.

[X][BUILD] 2322 A: 1 Ambassador, 9 Keplers, 1 Renaissance, 3 Centaur-B Refits, 2 Excelsior Refits, 1 Hospital Ship

[X][AUX] Betazed Unity Shipyards

All aboard the Kepler/Rennie train!
 
[X][BUILD] 2322 A: 1 Ambassador, 9 Keplers, 1 Renaissance, 3 Centaur-B Refits, 2 Excelsior Refits, 1 Hospital Ship

[X][AUX] Unity Shipyards

I agree with Briefvoice about keeping at least one Renaissance under construction at all times that way we can keep churning them out even though some people don't like them. Hell I don't like them but Briefvoice does have a point about us needing more of them.
Adhoc vote count started by Thors_Alumni on Feb 10, 2018 at 5:19 PM, finished with 119 posts and 32 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by Thors_Alumni on Feb 10, 2018 at 5:20 PM, finished with 119 posts and 32 votes.
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[X][BUILD] 2322 A: 1 Ambassador, 9 Keplers, 1 Renaissance, 3 Centaur-B Refits, 2 Excelsior Refits, 1 Hospital Ship

[X][AUX] Unity Shipyards

question, do we need to designate what the aux yards build? iirc we have like... 9 aux slips now? methinks at some point we won't need to mark slips for aux constructions if we keep expanding
 
Mr Tebbs said:
[X][BUILD] 2322 A: 1 Ambassador, 9 Keplers, 1 Renaissance, 3 Centaur-B Refits, 2 Excelsior Refits, 1 Hospital Ship

[X][AUX] Unity Shipyards

question, do we need to designate what the aux yards build? iirc we have like... 9 aux slips now? methinks at some point we won't need to mark slips for aux constructions if we keep expanding
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Aux yards have their own budget and choose their own construction based on what the GM's think we need. We can offer Starfleet berths to help boost construction if need be.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
Horizon Task Force Conducting Diplomacy in Horizon Border Zone

Commanding Officer: Indenant Karyn nas Azhlee

HPSDV Playwright, Choreographer-class
-HPSDV Ravis ner Chiran, Dancer
-HPSDV Abeshta, Dancer
-HPSDV Wikk Glassii, Alert
-HPSDV Glook, Alert
HSDV Aeleanos vas Renais, Scientist
HSDV Nalaar han Veralos, Scientist
HSDV Theria nas Cheras, Scientist
HSDV Anura vas Colarai, Scientist
HSDV Kasha, Scientist

NB: It is unknown if all of these Scientist-class cruisers are in fact as advertised. It is possible some are Solace-class cruisers which are largely indistinguishable until they power weapons.
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So let's look at stats for these ships. We have no record of a "Choreographer Class"... my assumption is that would be the old class of Fleet Tender, the predecessor to the Sanctuary Class.
The Sanctuary is: C8 S9 H6 L9 P13 D13

I assume the Playwright is ~ C7-8 S7-9 H5-6 L7-9 P10-13 D10-13

Dancer class are: also unknown, but they are the older version of the Virtuoso class
The Virtuoso is: C4, S1, H1, L4, P2, D3

Assume that the Dancer Class is: C2-4, S0-1, H1, L2-4, P1-2, D2-3

We also have no idea what the Alert class's stats are. They are mostly used for internal patrols, and we guess they're something like a Patroller-A.

Scientist Class stats are... not fully known. (Is this becoming a theme?) Partial stats we have are: C2 S7 H4 L? P? D7

We do know that that the Solace class, the combat refit of the Scientist, has: Solace ~ C6 S6 H4 L5 P6 D6

So yes, that's 5 ships with P6 (or higher) plus one fleet tender that likely has a P of 10+.

I... I don't know if we can win this. We can't afford to put a bunch of Excelsiors on this, and it seems like that is what it would take.

Right now we have:
1 Excelsior-A [Salnas (B)] = C8 S7 H5 L7 P7 D6
1 Constitution-A [Cheron (V)] = C6 S5 H5 L5 P6 D5
1 Apiata Little Queenship = C4 S4 H2 L7 P6 D7
2 Apiata Stingers = C4 S2 H1 L4 P2 D4
1 UE Renaissance = C5 S3 H4 L5 P4 D5
1 Orion Molhane Patrol Escort = C3 S2 H2 L2 P5 D2

That just about compares to the 5 Scientist class and about 2 of the Fleet Tender's Parasite ships. It still leaves us to match the Fleet Tender itself, which we don't have anything short of an EC Ambassador that can do it, and we can only assign one EC ship to this or the Dawiar. (And the Dawiar are probably still more urgent.)

Maybe if we could add:
Another Blooded Excelsior-A
The Orion Embpor Orbitals Exploratory Battleship - C8 S6 H6 L7 P6 D6
An Orion Nelhiar Savings & Loans Enforcer - C5 S3 H2 L5 P7 D3

That might do a lot of the work.
 
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Briefvoice said:
So let's look at stats for these ships. We have no record of a "Choreographer Class"... my assumption is that would be the old class of Fleet Tender, the predecessor to the Sanctuary Class.
The Sanctuary is: C8 S9 H6 L9 P13 D13

I assume the Playwright is ~ C7-8 S7-9 H5-6 L7-9 P10-13 D10-13
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If the Choreographer class really is the old Fleet Tender it seems possible that its stats are lower than that. It seems logical to assume that the Sanctuary is using the holy trinity of Burst Launchers, Isolinear Computers and Phaser Arrays to achieve its respectable stats. As far as i have seen from the design board people these techs massively inflate a ships stats. If the Choreographer isn't using them its stats would be significantly worse than those of a Sanctuary.
 
Another though: Every other faction probably knows that the Ambassadors were do to finish at about this time, the Federation/Starfleet seems pretty open about that sort of thing to me. On the other hand, if there's one thing that Starfleet goes full infosec on, it temporal/trans-dimensional stuff. So, to everyone else, we just launched 2 very powerful and large ships, and they've completely disappeared. They're probably going to freak out about what a ship like that can do in black ops against them.
 
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(And the dawiar are probably still more urgent.)
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While I don't doubt their importance, I think we could certainly get by without an Ambassador there. IMO the Horizon is a much thornier issue that will snowball as they succeed. We can't fall too far behind there or we will keep falling further and further behind. It also looks like the issues in the HBZ are less an issue of rolls and more an issue of ship quantity and quality, while the dawiar and the hishmeri looks more like an issue of shit rolls and maybe a little quantity. While quality certainly will help, especially with the dawiar, it is of lesser importance. Another Excelsior with the dawiar (if we have the damn numbers for it) would certainly help turn the tide, but I think a couple Centaur-B or even the Kepler would do it.

TBH, putting the Ambassador on the HBZ TF just sounds appropriate.
 
pbluekan said:
While I don't doubt their importance, I think we could certainly get by without an Ambassador there. IMO the Horizon is a much thornier issue that will snowball as they succeed. We can't fall too far behind there or we will keep falling further and further behind. It also looks like the issues in the HBZ are less an issue of rolls and more an issue of ship quantity and quality, while the dawiar and the hishmeri looks more like an issue of shit rolls and maybe a little quantity. While quality certainly will help, especially with the dawiar, it is of lesser importance. Another Excelsior with the dawiar (if we have the damn numbers for it) would certainly help turn the tide, but I think a couple Centaur-B or even the Kepler would do it.

TBH, putting the Ambassador on the HBZ TF just sounds appropriate.
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Yeah, but that means pulling the Odyssey off the Dawiar. It wouldn't be another Excelsior on then, it would be pulling out one of the ones we've already got.
 
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I... I don't know if we can win this. We can't afford to put a bunch of Excelsiors on this, and it seems like that is what it would take.
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Don't forget, we can also use normal FDS pushing to break through parity.

The Sandman said:
Maybe we'll accidentally the Horizon during the Looking Glass incident?
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Uh, no. We are going to assimilate them, even if it takes decades. How are we supposed to make a few billion more friends if we accidentally them?
 
[X][BUILD] 2322 B: 1 Ambassador, 10 Keplers, 3 Centaur-B Refits, 2 Excelsior Refits, 1 Hospital Ship

[X][AUX] Betazed Unity Shipyards
 
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