Karachi requires no more prep than what we already plan to do (Navy & Air Force, because we need them regardless of Karachi), so for a few quarters minimum it's irrelevant and this argument is pointless, especially since it's heavily dependent on how the war shifts which we have absolutely zero way of predicting.
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
I'm pretty sure Nod doesn't have overwhelming air superiority on the whole. In order to achieve anything like that they have to massively concentrate their air assets in one place.
That being said, i'm excited to see what happens with the new toys the airforce has
And yet you did everything in your power to fear mongering that the one plan that gives sufficient dice to complete the merchant conversions in one turn would not win the vote.
You committed the sin of being a strawmanning drama queen that vocally opposed giving the navy what it needs right now. So because of you there are people that voted for the lead plan. You where a false shepherd that came in near the end of the vote and used fear to sway votes.
That is why people are annoyed with you.
Holy shit this is brilliant
I wasn't expecting the thread inquisition
Keep writing, it's really funny
Gee wiz Mister Whitaker. It is almost like we are in a war and hulls can be lost in a war. Good thing we aren't barely meeting our naval commitments already... oh wait.
Which means the more hulls we lose the more openings there are for NOD to exploit.
As for what happened in the vote. I notice that you didn't similarly argue against the lead vote. Must mean that less dive into navy was perfectly fine for you. After all you argued against the plan that pushed more dice into the navy of the two that this vote came down to.
So whatever your position was before? It means jack.
It is called arguing in bad faith. That tends to leave a stench on your account.
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Okay before this gets into sniping and possibly ban-worthy offences how about we all take a breath and step away? Yes Karachi is a contentious issue and yes a lot of arguing was done. But the accusations aren't helping and frankly it would be better if we all took a step back and come back to this topic with cooler heads okay?
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The winning plan that I didn't vote nor advocate for because it had conversations and no renegotiation? What is my plan here? What did I say that didn't apply to the other? Truly my powers of manipulation are great but to what motive they serve in your narrative I am blind.
And really? We're pairing accusations of dramatics with that declaration in bold? What's the endgame here man? What am I being unmasked as? Someone who was a bit overly-verbose when having a bit of fun going at it with Simon?
And where did i argue we should build no naval dockyards?
If you'll actually bother to read you'd notice i thought the plans weren't bad as long as we don't do karachi. It's specifically if we do karachi that we need every hull immediately. Hence why i was arguing that against the person who was open to karachi q2 2061.
As for the personal attacks? Grow up
And yet you where perfectly happy with cutting the knees out from under the plan that put more dice into the navy. Ensuring that the conversions didn't finish this turn was apparently your goal. And you completed it wonderfully by strawmanning and fear mongering.
And yet you wonder why people are annoyed with you?
If you had refrained from the personal attacks and strawmanning then I wouldn't have an issue with you. My issue is your trying to cloak your actions in a robe of self righteousness when you really just relied on some of the worst debate tactics you could.
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Rules 3 & 4: Be Civil and Don't Be Disruptive
Ah, strawmanning again. This time my arguments. What was i expecting? Actual honest introspection about your own action. Silly me.
And here you go crying foul at a personal attack... that never happened? It is called sarcasm dude.
All the while performing a personal attack on me... yeah I can see how you work. Really should have recognized that earlier. My bad. Enjoy the update.
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@Daniel14541 It is time for you to drop it.
Update is likely to be a bit slow, because I have a lot of writing to do, and lots of battles.
Update is likely to be a bit slow, because I have a lot of writing to do, and lots of battles.
Lurking_Badger
Cheese Enjoyer
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- Wisconsin
From the Department of Randomness,
First off, we at the Department of Randomness would like to apologize for not sending an update on the current director luck levels last quarter. As a less critical department, some of the interns and office staff were pulled away to help with the war effort. In the future, our ability to calculate, receive, and send information should be back on track! On that note, these are the luck levels for the current and previous quarter.
This quarter the current luck level is 50.09, almost on average. The previous quarter's luck level was 49.93. Based on this and previous calculations, we have found that luck levels throughout the GDI have evened out. This should be good as it allows for better and more consistent planning during the war. However, it should be noted that this is the overall luck level. This does not prevent there from being places of low or high concentrations.
I bring this up because of the multiple emails we at the DR have received about various curses placed on different projects. Just because one project doesn't get completed on schedule, doesn't mean that it is cursed. The Department of Paranormal Phenomena has been working non-stop since the war started and they are currently understaffed as they are busy blessing military equipment and soldiers. If you are certain that there is a curse, after having gone through the checklist in the manuals given to your department, there are some brujería specialists that are waiting to be shipped to South America.
First off, we at the Department of Randomness would like to apologize for not sending an update on the current director luck levels last quarter. As a less critical department, some of the interns and office staff were pulled away to help with the war effort. In the future, our ability to calculate, receive, and send information should be back on track! On that note, these are the luck levels for the current and previous quarter.
This quarter the current luck level is 50.09, almost on average. The previous quarter's luck level was 49.93. Based on this and previous calculations, we have found that luck levels throughout the GDI have evened out. This should be good as it allows for better and more consistent planning during the war. However, it should be noted that this is the overall luck level. This does not prevent there from being places of low or high concentrations.
I bring this up because of the multiple emails we at the DR have received about various curses placed on different projects. Just because one project doesn't get completed on schedule, doesn't mean that it is cursed. The Department of Paranormal Phenomena has been working non-stop since the war started and they are currently understaffed as they are busy blessing military equipment and soldiers. If you are certain that there is a curse, after having gone through the checklist in the manuals given to your department, there are some brujería specialists that are waiting to be shipped to South America.
Morgan Crowley, Secretary of the Department of Randomness
P.S. Director Green recently got prosthetics for his missing legs and arm. He is having a great time with them, but don't do anything to spook him. He is a veteran of two Tiberium wars, an ex-in-ops operative, and holder of an extensive personal armory. The throwing knife missed the intern, but we don't want a repeat or fatality.
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...? I thought I clearly did?
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Guys, leave it.
One plan won the other lost in a close vote, who cares? That's the nature of the game. People will vote for the plan the prefer or in some cases just for the poster they prefer.
Trying to insult, denigrate or otherwise invalidate a person or their position because your preferred outcome didn't happen is arguing in bad faith and bad manners.
Take a break for an hour and come back refreshed.
One plan won the other lost in a close vote, who cares? That's the nature of the game. People will vote for the plan the prefer or in some cases just for the poster they prefer.
Trying to insult, denigrate or otherwise invalidate a person or their position because your preferred outcome didn't happen is arguing in bad faith and bad manners.
Take a break for an hour and come back refreshed.
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Here's next turn's preliminary Probability Array update, including a list of this turn's projects. Please inform me of... anything. Anything at all. (As long as it relates to the Array.)
--Note2: Anyone who wants a copy of the current version of the excel sheet I use to help make these Arrays can have one; just send me a PM if you're interested.
--Note3: You can use this calculator to calculate the effects of the Admin Assistance dice on specific projects.
--Note4: The most recent version of the Array is most often the Informational threadmarked version.
--Note 5: Hello! 👋
-[] Yellow Zone Fortress Towns (Phase 6?) 0/350? 3 dice 60R 5%, 4 dice 80R 52%, 6 dice 100R 91%
-[] Rail Network Construction Campaigns (Phase 4) 128/325 2 dice 30R 38%, 3 dice 45R 92%
-[] Rail Network Construction Campaigns (Phase 4+5) 128/650 5 dice 75R 10%, 6 dice 90R 50%, 7 dice 105R 86%, 8 dice 120R 98%
-[] Rail Network Construction Campaigns (Phase 4+5+6) 128/975 8 dice 120R 3%, 9 dice 135R 21%, 10 dice 150R 56%, 11 dice 165R 84%, 12 dice 180R 97%
-[] Tick Rapid Digger System Development Done
-[] Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 6) 30/300 3 dice 60R 38%, 4 dice 80R 86%, 5 dice 100R 99%
-[] Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 6+7) 30/600 6 dice 120R 14%, 7 dice 140R 51%, 8 dice 160R 84%, 9 dice 180R 97%
-[] Nuuk Heavy Robotics Foundry (Phase 3) 352/600 2 dice 40R 4%, 3 dice 60R 54%, 4 dice 80R 93%
-[] Nuuk Heavy Robotics Foundry (Phase 3+4) 352/1800 15 dice 300R 2%, 16 dice 320R 8%, 17 dice 340R 25%, 18 dice 360R 50%, 19 dice 380R 73%, 20 dice 400R 89%, 21 dice 420R 96%
-[] Isolinear Chip Development Done
-[] Reykjavik Myomer Macrospinner (Phase 4) 514/640 1 die 20R 14%, 2 dice 40R 81%, 3 dice 60R 99%
-[] Reykjavik Myomer Macrospinner (Phase 4+5) 514/1920 16 dice 320R 4%, 17 dice 340R 15%, 18 dice 360R 34%, 19 dice 380R 58%, 20 dice 400R 78%, 21 dice 420R 91%
-[] Medical Supplies Factories 129/225 1 die 20R 44%, 2 dice 40R 95%
-[] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 3) 30/140 1 die 10R 30%, 2 dice 20R 90%
-[] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 3+4) 30/280 2 dice 20R 42%, 3 dice 30R 86%, 4 dice 40R 99%
-[] Freeze Dried Food Plants 126/200 1 die 20R 56%, 2 dice 40R 99%
-[] Yellow Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Phase 9) 2/325 3 dice 60R 23%, 4 dice 80R 80%, 5 dice 100R 99%
-[] Yellow Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Phase 9+10) 2/675 6 dice 120R 4%, 7 dice 140R 35%, 8 dice 160R 76%, 9 dice 180R 96%
-[] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 6) 46/100 1 die 15R 100%
-[] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 6+7) 46/200 1 die 15R 1%, 2 dice 30R 82%, 3 dice 45R 99%
-[-] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 6+7+8?) 46/300 2 dice 30R 8%, 3 dice 45R 72%, 4 dice 60R 98%
-[] Railgun Harvester Factory (Dandong) Done
-[] Railgun Harvester Factory (Porto) 44/70 1 die 10R 100%
--Alt 1 Admin Assistance die 90%
--Note: Last turn's Dandong AA chance should have been 91%, not 90% *shrug*
-[] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 15 dice 300R 4%, 16 dice 320R 16%, 17 dice 340R 39%, 18 dice 360R 66%, 19 dice 380R 85%, 20 dice 400R 95%
-[] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11) 32/85 1 die 10R 89%, 2 dice 20R 100%
-[] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11+12) 32/170 1 die 10R 4%, 2 dice 20R 76%, 3 dice 30R 99%
-[] Neural Interfaced Operating Theaters 122/160 1 die 20R 100%
-[] Tactical Airborne Laser Deployment Done
-[] Apollo Wingmen Drones Done
-[] Plasma Warhead Factory (Phase 1) 53/90 1 die 10R 100%
-[] Plasma Warhead Factory (Phase 1+2) 53/180 1 die 10R 15%, 2 dice 20R 83%, 3 dice 30R 99%
-[] Frigates (Quonset Point) Done
-[] Merchantman Carrier Conversions 150/200 1 die 20R 92%, 2 dice 40R 100%
-[] Neural Interface System Refits (Talons) Done
-[] Rail Network Construction Campaigns (Phase 4) 128/325 2 dice 30R 38%, 3 dice 45R 92%
-[] Rail Network Construction Campaigns (Phase 4+5) 128/650 5 dice 75R 10%, 6 dice 90R 50%, 7 dice 105R 86%, 8 dice 120R 98%
-[] Rail Network Construction Campaigns (Phase 4+5+6) 128/975 8 dice 120R 3%, 9 dice 135R 21%, 10 dice 150R 56%, 11 dice 165R 84%, 12 dice 180R 97%
-[] Tick Rapid Digger System Development Done
-[] Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 6) 30/300 3 dice 60R 38%, 4 dice 80R 86%, 5 dice 100R 99%
-[] Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 6+7) 30/600 6 dice 120R 14%, 7 dice 140R 51%, 8 dice 160R 84%, 9 dice 180R 97%
-[] Nuuk Heavy Robotics Foundry (Phase 3) 352/600 2 dice 40R 4%, 3 dice 60R 54%, 4 dice 80R 93%
-[] Nuuk Heavy Robotics Foundry (Phase 3+4) 352/1800 15 dice 300R 2%, 16 dice 320R 8%, 17 dice 340R 25%, 18 dice 360R 50%, 19 dice 380R 73%, 20 dice 400R 89%, 21 dice 420R 96%
-[] Isolinear Chip Development Done
-[] Reykjavik Myomer Macrospinner (Phase 4) 514/640 1 die 20R 14%, 2 dice 40R 81%, 3 dice 60R 99%
-[] Reykjavik Myomer Macrospinner (Phase 4+5) 514/1920 16 dice 320R 4%, 17 dice 340R 15%, 18 dice 360R 34%, 19 dice 380R 58%, 20 dice 400R 78%, 21 dice 420R 91%
-[] Medical Supplies Factories 129/225 1 die 20R 44%, 2 dice 40R 95%
-[] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 3) 30/140 1 die 10R 30%, 2 dice 20R 90%
-[] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 3+4) 30/280 2 dice 20R 42%, 3 dice 30R 86%, 4 dice 40R 99%
-[] Freeze Dried Food Plants 126/200 1 die 20R 56%, 2 dice 40R 99%
-[] Yellow Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Phase 9) 2/325 3 dice 60R 23%, 4 dice 80R 80%, 5 dice 100R 99%
-[] Yellow Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Phase 9+10) 2/675 6 dice 120R 4%, 7 dice 140R 35%, 8 dice 160R 76%, 9 dice 180R 96%
-[] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 6) 46/100 1 die 15R 100%
-[] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 6+7) 46/200 1 die 15R 1%, 2 dice 30R 82%, 3 dice 45R 99%
-[-] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 6+7+8?) 46/300 2 dice 30R 8%, 3 dice 45R 72%, 4 dice 60R 98%
-[] Railgun Harvester Factory (Dandong) Done
-[] Railgun Harvester Factory (Porto) 44/70 1 die 10R 100%
--Alt 1 Admin Assistance die 90%
--Note: Last turn's Dandong AA chance should have been 91%, not 90% *shrug*
-[] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 15 dice 300R 4%, 16 dice 320R 16%, 17 dice 340R 39%, 18 dice 360R 66%, 19 dice 380R 85%, 20 dice 400R 95%
-[] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11) 32/85 1 die 10R 89%, 2 dice 20R 100%
-[] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11+12) 32/170 1 die 10R 4%, 2 dice 20R 76%, 3 dice 30R 99%
-[] Neural Interfaced Operating Theaters 122/160 1 die 20R 100%
-[] Tactical Airborne Laser Deployment Done
-[] Apollo Wingmen Drones Done
-[] Plasma Warhead Factory (Phase 1) 53/90 1 die 10R 100%
-[] Plasma Warhead Factory (Phase 1+2) 53/180 1 die 10R 15%, 2 dice 20R 83%, 3 dice 30R 99%
-[] Frigates (Quonset Point) Done
-[] Merchantman Carrier Conversions 150/200 1 die 20R 92%, 2 dice 40R 100%
-[] Neural Interface System Refits (Talons) Done
- Infrastructure 6 dice +34
- Heavy Industry 5 dice +29
- Light and Chemical Industry 5 dice +24
- Agriculture 4 dice +24
- Tiberium 7 dice +39
- Orbital Industry 6 dice +26
- Services 5 dice +27
- Military 8 dice +26
- Bureaucracy 4 dice +24
- Last Security Review
--Note2: Anyone who wants a copy of the current version of the excel sheet I use to help make these Arrays can have one; just send me a PM if you're interested.
--Note3: You can use this calculator to calculate the effects of the Admin Assistance dice on specific projects.
--Note4: The most recent version of the Array is most often the Informational threadmarked version.
--Note 5: Hello! 👋
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Hello 👋 (is quietly intimidated by extent of probability array)
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Wazzuuuuuuuuuuuup!
(Nothing much, just finding it excessively cute that we're jumping on this one sidenote after all...that.)
trooperist
Cinnamon Roll AI
+35 Income
+35 Resources (One Time)
+8 Housing (Low Quality)
+1 Energy
+4 Logistics
+6 Food
-1 Capital Goods
-2 STUs
+2 Consumer Goods
-1 Labor (+3 This Turn)
+Low Orbit Support Satellites Unlocked
+2 Green Zone Harvesting Stages
Man, we used up that new energy as soon as we built it.
+35 Resources (One Time)
+8 Housing (Low Quality)
+1 Energy
+4 Logistics
+6 Food
-1 Capital Goods
-2 STUs
+2 Consumer Goods
-1 Labor (+3 This Turn)
+Low Orbit Support Satellites Unlocked
+2 Green Zone Harvesting Stages
Man, we used up that new energy as soon as we built it.
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Wazzuuuuuuuuuuuup!
Did we time travel to 2000 or something?
As a big proponent of the merchantman conversion CAMs, I'm praying she decides to do a "fleet in being" rather than actually start something. If she holds off til the end of the Regency War, then let's hope the war lasts through 2063, because depending on how fast we get CVE yards built, we'll likely have upwards of half or more of the CVEs the Navy wants by that point (plus surviving CAMs). And frigates are just gonna get printed. 3-5 turns per batch? If we start at 5 turns (15 months) (and build time decreases by a turn each batch from a given yard) this yard we just completed would have spit out 60 frigates alone by the end of 2063 and be most of the way to another 20. And we'd likely have 40-60 each from the other two yards by that point as well, so upwards of 140-180 frigate hulls at that point? There were, IIRC, 200 obsolete frigate/destroyer hulls in service.
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Now, I'd like to suggest that, if we have the dice/resources before the end of the Plan, that we develop the Victory-class Monitor (not build a yard this Plan, just get it designed. Yard(s) would hopefully be early next Plan). It's a littoral combat ship with modular loadouts. As for why? What is a lot of the water around Indonesia and Indochina? Well, with average depths below 60m for the Straits of Malacca, Gulf of Thailand, and Java Sea... they count as littoral by the US Navy definition. West coast of India/Pakistan? Looks like they have large littoral areas. Arafura Sea north of Australia? It's pretty littoral (Timor Sea to its west, not so much).
If we want to kick Bintang's face in and burn her Navy to the waterline, those babies will likely come quite in handy. Karachi and India operations would likely love these babies, too. And if we decide we want to push into the Med and reclaim/reopen the Suez? There's decent chunks of littoral all over the sea should Nod decide to contest the waters and have units available or that make it past Gibraltar. Any offensive against Kane's Threshold tower in the future would likely make good use of them. Any naval invasion would benefit from them.
Plus, let's be fair. They're not going to be only used in littoral areas.
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Yes, energy and cap good is going to be a continuing concern, one reason i was pushing free dice into HI and going for HI laser dev.
LCI can help a bit but was refocused to Med Supplies this turn, though next turn we should be able to knock out Reyjavik 4 and Med Supplies.
Nuuk 3 +16 Cap Good - 8 Energy
Reyjavik 4 +4 Cap Good +2 Energy
LCI Med factories -1 Energy
2nd Frigate Yard -6 Energy -2 Cap Good
CVE Battleship Yards -3 Energy -1 Cap Goods
So we need another fusion phase to keep pace which means free dice into HI and less into Mil. Or slow roll Nuuk 3 in favor of fusion to avoid that energy hit but we still dont have the margin to do the energy demands without another fusion stage.