Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
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Whoever came up with that idea needs to be removed from office post haste. Using booms that big to dig holes is a terrible idea.
They didn't fail. They successfully achieved their mission of preventing a nuclear armed submarine from launching against GDI by wrecking the sub while underwater. Do you really think they went into this expecting to survive? I don't.
That depends on where we're digging the holes and what was there before we started digging, doesn't it
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No one ever promised that all Seo's mad science ideas would be good ideas.
GDI Nuclear Policy Discussion
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- New England, State of Confusion
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Alrighty, our illustrious @Ithillid has asked me to step into the conversation on their behalf. Specifically, the conversation around Nod usage of Nuclear weapons on GDI targets and the opinion of some in the thread that GDI should retaliate, if not escalate, with their own nuclear arsenal.
Fundamentally, GDI leadership is not willing to walk ion cannon strikes over major nod population centers, which is where major nod targets like their own equivalents to Hampton Roads are. Not doing so is a good thing, for multiple reasons.
Firstly, it is inhumane and guarantees major civilian casualties at a time when the human population is steadily reducing at a notable rate. Secondly, civilian casualties as collateral damage begets a cycle of escalation that does not benefit GDI. GDI as it stands currently, is winning the existing conventional and unconventional conflicts. Escalating to global nuclear/nuclear equivalent exchanges with the entirety of the Brotherhood of Nod results in massive damage to GDIs industry, which is arguably its key advantage at this stage.
If GDIs industry collapses from mass nuclear strikes or even just is heavily reduced, that dooms millions in a variety of ways. Starvation or lack of medical care for conventional ills, reduction or collapse of abatement efforts (please note the map and how much BZ touches directly RZ.), and spaceborne efforts collapse due to loss of launch sites and critical industries.
To the thread as a whole, and some have already pointed this out correctly, I want it explicitly noted that climbing up the escalation ladder is a lose condition for GDI, as shown by the above points. Nuking or Ion Cannon striking Nod at the strategic level will not end well for anyone on Earth.
This is incorrect in multiple ways. While you are correct that Nod has had negative effects on abatement directly and indirectly, it has also had direct positive effects. Multiple segments of Nod are actively collaborating with GDI on abatement. Cyan zones, the Nod equivalent of Blue Zones, exist.
And while some of the Brotherhood are interested in spreading the death rock around, others are shooting at our harvesters not to spread the crystal, but to secure those patches for their own efforts. Everyone's economies run on the stuff, they need it just as badly as we do for making bullets, bombs, beans, and bandages.
On behalf of the squid, I would like to specifically reply to this and ask you to take a step back.
Final thoughts. Ithillid has relayed to me that they do not desire the conversation regarding strategic weapon use to end, but it does need to change for the better. To those engaging in the conversation, take a step back and colloquially touch grass. Less aggression and conflict is desired.
Further to those advocating for increasing strategic weapon use on Nod, do tone down the gung-ho attitude to their use. Strategic weapons no matter how they are used kill civilians in larger numbers than you think. Be aware of that.
And to restate with the blessing of Ithillid, GDI Nuclear/Strategic Weapon policy is well thought out and well adapted to the situation at hand. So those considering changing it, also consider that that thought and effort is well spent.
Fundamentally, GDI leadership is not willing to walk ion cannon strikes over major nod population centers, which is where major nod targets like their own equivalents to Hampton Roads are. Not doing so is a good thing, for multiple reasons.
Firstly, it is inhumane and guarantees major civilian casualties at a time when the human population is steadily reducing at a notable rate. Secondly, civilian casualties as collateral damage begets a cycle of escalation that does not benefit GDI. GDI as it stands currently, is winning the existing conventional and unconventional conflicts. Escalating to global nuclear/nuclear equivalent exchanges with the entirety of the Brotherhood of Nod results in massive damage to GDIs industry, which is arguably its key advantage at this stage.
If GDIs industry collapses from mass nuclear strikes or even just is heavily reduced, that dooms millions in a variety of ways. Starvation or lack of medical care for conventional ills, reduction or collapse of abatement efforts (please note the map and how much BZ touches directly RZ.), and spaceborne efforts collapse due to loss of launch sites and critical industries.
To the thread as a whole, and some have already pointed this out correctly, I want it explicitly noted that climbing up the escalation ladder is a lose condition for GDI, as shown by the above points. Nuking or Ion Cannon striking Nod at the strategic level will not end well for anyone on Earth.
This is incorrect in multiple ways. While you are correct that Nod has had negative effects on abatement directly and indirectly, it has also had direct positive effects. Multiple segments of Nod are actively collaborating with GDI on abatement. Cyan zones, the Nod equivalent of Blue Zones, exist.
And while some of the Brotherhood are interested in spreading the death rock around, others are shooting at our harvesters not to spread the crystal, but to secure those patches for their own efforts. Everyone's economies run on the stuff, they need it just as badly as we do for making bullets, bombs, beans, and bandages.
On behalf of the squid, I would like to specifically reply to this and ask you to take a step back.
Final thoughts. Ithillid has relayed to me that they do not desire the conversation regarding strategic weapon use to end, but it does need to change for the better. To those engaging in the conversation, take a step back and colloquially touch grass. Less aggression and conflict is desired.
Further to those advocating for increasing strategic weapon use on Nod, do tone down the gung-ho attitude to their use. Strategic weapons no matter how they are used kill civilians in larger numbers than you think. Be aware of that.
And to restate with the blessing of Ithillid, GDI Nuclear/Strategic Weapon policy is well thought out and well adapted to the situation at hand. So those considering changing it, also consider that that thought and effort is well spent.
I will repeat that I am not surprised Nod tried a succeed in using Nuclear weapons against us what I do take issue with is the idea that the only thing we can and should respond with it the damm Ion Cannon that can't do anything if their is a Ion shield in place. Nod is getting better and better at making to Orbital Ion Cannons useless for anything other then Tactical Strikes and that is a issue especially since we will see more of the mobile versions I am sure from the Major Warlords.
I don't know why you think this is Nod telling us to back of when we are not at peace in anyway with the Warlords who were most likely behind the Nuclear attacks and the fighting only stopped with them so both sides could lick their wounds are we could deal with the land we took back control of. If we are going to claim that our Ion Cannons are the Equivalent to the Nod use of Nukes and other things then they need to be useable as a response when Nod does shit like this which is not uncommon for them. If we are going to use them as our deterrent is this Situation then we really need a way around the Ion Shield that shut them down on a Strategic level. Nod has a perfect defense in this situation while we do not against weapons that can do tremendous damage to entire cities while also leaving behind nasty side effects on the people that survive the initial blast of the weapon. Name me one time in this quest we have been able to hit major Nod production facilities or infrastructure with in the territory controlled by the Major Warlordswhen we have not also been waging a active campaign against them and been able to take out their Ion Shields or the things power them with physical weapons.
We can say in my mind with almost complete certainty we're the Nuke and Shadow Team that struck the Fusion Yards from and that is the guy who claims the right to rule all of Africa and thus the guy we could work on focusing a reply on.
We also got hit with Multiple Nuclear strikes not just one and Johansburg got hit with Three Nukes and the Radioactive fall out from a couple of others. Millions of deaths over all as a result and these attacks would not surprise me at all. The issue for me is not even so much retaliation as the that we can't hit Nod as hard back because their can make Ion Cannon useless over anywhere they thing is important. Plus they are only going to get better at making these shields mobile so we could use some diversity in our Orbital strike Capability.
Tell me, do Ion Cannons leave behind any kind of Radioactive Fallout or give people that were not caught in the blast Radiation poisoning because of the only similarity between a Nuke and a Ion Cannon Blast is the Energy they can produce leaving aside the fact that a Ion Cannon's blast is much more focused on a target they any Nuke. The only real similarity you can draw is that they weapons that can be used tactically and strategically.
It is allways fun to see the Hawks wrath fall on the Scorpion from above.
I would say the issue is that the Ion shields make doing that impossible anyway so GDI having something other than the Ion Cannons would be use. We can't use targeted strikes with Ion Cannons because of The Ion Shields outside of activate battle zones effectively and we can't be more wide spread with them because we want to be better people then those we are fighting which I want to stay.
Those Ion Shields means Nod does not have to fear being out above ground in the Open as much as they used to which means that they can and have been putting major production above ground not hidden as much from our eyes in the sky.
I also agree that we don't want to start slinging Nuclear weapons around but when Nod has historically use WMD's of Multiple kinds is when they think GDI can't hit back in a way that would really hurt them.
So how does that square with the Brotherhood historical obsession with using the death rock in all kinds of fucked up Experiments on living things and their beliefs about it being used to further Human evolution. Nod may depend on the Rock for their economy the same as GDI at this point but I can't see any part of Nod wanting to rid the Earth of Tiberium like GDI wants to do. Some parts of Nod may not be big on spreading the stuff but they sure as hell don't want it gone.
I can guess you are saying their are multiple view points in Nod on the Green Crystals but could you expand on that a bit more because I would help me understand a bit more about the current factions of our enemy.
I don't know why you think this is Nod telling us to back of when we are not at peace in anyway with the Warlords who were most likely behind the Nuclear attacks and the fighting only stopped with them so both sides could lick their wounds are we could deal with the land we took back control of. If we are going to claim that our Ion Cannons are the Equivalent to the Nod use of Nukes and other things then they need to be useable as a response when Nod does shit like this which is not uncommon for them. If we are going to use them as our deterrent is this Situation then we really need a way around the Ion Shield that shut them down on a Strategic level. Nod has a perfect defense in this situation while we do not against weapons that can do tremendous damage to entire cities while also leaving behind nasty side effects on the people that survive the initial blast of the weapon. Name me one time in this quest we have been able to hit major Nod production facilities or infrastructure with in the territory controlled by the Major Warlordswhen we have not also been waging a active campaign against them and been able to take out their Ion Shields or the things power them with physical weapons.
We can say in my mind with almost complete certainty we're the Nuke and Shadow Team that struck the Fusion Yards from and that is the guy who claims the right to rule all of Africa and thus the guy we could work on focusing a reply on.
We also got hit with Multiple Nuclear strikes not just one and Johansburg got hit with Three Nukes and the Radioactive fall out from a couple of others. Millions of deaths over all as a result and these attacks would not surprise me at all. The issue for me is not even so much retaliation as the that we can't hit Nod as hard back because their can make Ion Cannon useless over anywhere they thing is important. Plus they are only going to get better at making these shields mobile so we could use some diversity in our Orbital strike Capability.
Tell me, do Ion Cannons leave behind any kind of Radioactive Fallout or give people that were not caught in the blast Radiation poisoning because of the only similarity between a Nuke and a Ion Cannon Blast is the Energy they can produce leaving aside the fact that a Ion Cannon's blast is much more focused on a target they any Nuke. The only real similarity you can draw is that they weapons that can be used tactically and strategically.
It is allways fun to see the Hawks wrath fall on the Scorpion from above.
I would say the issue is that the Ion shields make doing that impossible anyway so GDI having something other than the Ion Cannons would be use. We can't use targeted strikes with Ion Cannons because of The Ion Shields outside of activate battle zones effectively and we can't be more wide spread with them because we want to be better people then those we are fighting which I want to stay.
Those Ion Shields means Nod does not have to fear being out above ground in the Open as much as they used to which means that they can and have been putting major production above ground not hidden as much from our eyes in the sky.
I also agree that we don't want to start slinging Nuclear weapons around but when Nod has historically use WMD's of Multiple kinds is when they think GDI can't hit back in a way that would really hurt them.
So how does that square with the Brotherhood historical obsession with using the death rock in all kinds of fucked up Experiments on living things and their beliefs about it being used to further Human evolution. Nod may depend on the Rock for their economy the same as GDI at this point but I can't see any part of Nod wanting to rid the Earth of Tiberium like GDI wants to do. Some parts of Nod may not be big on spreading the stuff but they sure as hell don't want it gone.
I can guess you are saying their are multiple view points in Nod on the Green Crystals but could you expand on that a bit more because I would help me understand a bit more about the current factions of our enemy.
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NHO
Dumb is a state of existence
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... Man, you are exactly like Cultivators.
Responding to relatively small nuking with demands to nuke third of humanity and possibly had another third nuked in retaliation.
What, next you would ask for shooting family members of every NOD militiaman???
We don't know how many dead from that, but I don't think "Millions" are the number. In post-Tiberium world? With tactical warheads? We shall see.
Responding to relatively small nuking with demands to nuke third of humanity and possibly had another third nuked in retaliation.
What, next you would ask for shooting family members of every NOD militiaman???
We don't know how many dead from that, but I don't think "Millions" are the number. In post-Tiberium world? With tactical warheads? We shall see.
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Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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For me, at least, it feels like Nod can hit us with nukes but our Ion Cannons have been pretty fucking useless so far. InOps seems, with the exception of taht exceptional crew, pretty difficult to handle Nod infiltration when it comes to this. So thread sees we get tac nuked and yet we can't retalliate? It looks bad. It's all well and good to argue proportional response, but at the same time....
It also adds a sense of anger that despite all we invest into ASAT and defenses, Nod can waltz on in past them all.
It also adds a sense of anger that despite all we invest into ASAT and defenses, Nod can waltz on in past them all.
Rockeye
Plausible Engineer
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MAD only works if it's actually mutual. We don't want either side to start using WMDs willy-nilly, so I think the key is to understand who, why, how, did it happen now? And what can be done to reduce those who, why, and hows?
I am getting the impression that this is a semi-rogue player who launched all these nukes? Not NOD central, not Kane?
Jesus, they really gave everyone a bad day tho.
As for ASAT and defenses, these were low level skimmer nukes I believe, not ICBMs.
I am getting the impression that this is a semi-rogue player who launched all these nukes? Not NOD central, not Kane?
Jesus, they really gave everyone a bad day tho.
As for ASAT and defenses, these were low level skimmer nukes I believe, not ICBMs.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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TBH, I always got the impression that GDI had a far more permissive Ion Cannon bombardement policy than Nod had a nuking policy, if only because Ion Sats are reuseable and nukes are expensive.
Especially in the previous war, you saw far more description of GDI Ion cannoning Nod armies than the reverse, with Nod making up for it with a few high profile and high civilian casualty attacks.
The Why is simple.
GDI is crossing a line by invading a notable Nod warlord with the goal of destroying/conquering his entire domain.
The intent of a limited attack as we've seen now is a warning, to make clear that in the event that GDI continues this military expansionism, they can make it hurt, and can ensure there's no victory.
GDI takes out a Nod port, Nod eliminates a GDI port.
GDI takes out a Nod production facility, Nod blows up a Macrospinner.
Especially in the previous war, you saw far more description of GDI Ion cannoning Nod armies than the reverse, with Nod making up for it with a few high profile and high civilian casualty attacks.
The Why is simple.
GDI is crossing a line by invading a notable Nod warlord with the goal of destroying/conquering his entire domain.
The intent of a limited attack as we've seen now is a warning, to make clear that in the event that GDI continues this military expansionism, they can make it hurt, and can ensure there's no victory.
GDI takes out a Nod port, Nod eliminates a GDI port.
GDI takes out a Nod production facility, Nod blows up a Macrospinner.
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Don't we have Ion Cannons and Kinetic Rods atm? I really don't see what adding Nukes does for us there besides escalating the conflict when we are conventionally and hearts and minds winning this war currently. The defense grid could in fact not stop briefcase nukes. But in both scenarios where its applicable it stopped a great deal of damage! (Read the majority of both the nuclear shahs arsenal as well as most of the rail accelerated nuke strikes)
So maybe... just maybe... we should focus on deploying those stealth detectors? Because NOD rolling up agents on us and within firing range were how they got us not our lack of also being nuclear cavemen back at them. Neither side wins a "I can hurt you worse" competition. Humanity loses twice at the hemorrhaging of a limited and greying population.
So maybe... just maybe... we should focus on deploying those stealth detectors? Because NOD rolling up agents on us and within firing range were how they got us not our lack of also being nuclear cavemen back at them. Neither side wins a "I can hurt you worse" competition. Humanity loses twice at the hemorrhaging of a limited and greying population.
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Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
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At this stage, there is nothing we can introduce that will become relevant in time for this campaign.
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I'm not talking about this war, I'm talking about people bellyaching about nod infiltrators doing a merry jig around InOps. If it bothers people so much then we should in fact start throwing our money at things that assist with that. Because NOD Stealth Tech is the primary reason they are able to logistically sustain their brotherhood in the first place.
As well as the primary reason they were able to attack the Macrospinner in this scenario. We under-invested in stealth detection and that was 1 of 3 Nuclear Threats during this portion of the update. The other 2 were indeed almost entirely hard countered by ASTAT and our Defense Grid.
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What you are advocating for de facto is preparation for the enablement of mass murder of civilian targets to win a war that GDI is already winning. Still wearing the Speaker for the Squid hat, I am going to ask you to step away from this line of argument. It is not welcome here.
GDI has more than just Ion Cannons to hit above-ground targets via air power as well as cruise missiles. Ion Shields absolutely do increase the protection of Nod bases, as the other methods I just listed are not perfect, but not every base. I use Ion Cannon strikes as an example there, but it is not the only means GDI has of hitting back. My overall point is that targets that meed the use of strategic weapons such as Ion Cannons or Nuclear Weapons to achieve reasonable amounts of damage or get around other protective systems have an unavoidable civilian casualty component to them.
As to the fear of getting hit back, the whole invasion for Kirachi is what inspired them to use these weapons in the first place. The reason Nod is resorting to these strikes is that they are not able to mirror GDIs ability to convincingly take and hold ground at this level. They are responding to GDIs escalation of the conventional conflict with frankly limited strategic nuclear use relative to the level of what they are capable of because they cannot win the conventional conflict at this point.
In short, what we are doing right now is already effectively hitting back in the eyes of Nod.
GDI doesn't want tib gone either at this point, not truly. If tib disappeared right now, the economy would collapse. What GDI wants is for Tiberium to be controlled and managed such that it does not kill every form of life on the planet. Nod wants that too, but their solution to this problem is not abatement alone but evolution to exist alongside Tiberium. That is the goal behind human experimentation with Tiberium, to allow humans to survive and even benefit from Tiberium exposure. This goal is not perfectly universal amongst all of Nod in how they understand it and I have swerved somewhat into my own understanding so take this with a pinch of salt.
And I am absolutely saying there are multiple viewpoints in Nod when it comes to the radioactive rock candy. Every warlord big and small has their own relationship with the Brotherhood's doctrine, with some more explicitly religious and others if not exactly secular, far more practical.
A warlord that has tons of space that is safe(ish) to live in for their people and not being actively constricted by Tiberium may well want to seed patches throughout their territory both for harvesting and to slow down GDI by forcing them to deal with those zones. A warlord trapped on all sides by Red Zones that keep expanding is going to be far less interested in expanding the area occupied by Tiberium, and will actively want more space to house their populations and industry safely away from the dangers of deep red zones.
As for the multiple viewpoints of Nod, each and every major warlord is a study in the contradictions contained within Nod. This post right here is a good resource for looking at the difference between them.
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Stepping away from the strategic weapon retaliation stuff, I wish we could justify the time to work on submarines again. I think being able to go after the Falak's under the waves would probably drastically increase the difficulty in their operation (especially the escape portion). That seems like a much safer way to curtail risk of strategic weapon usage by Nod, without pushing the escalation ladder button.
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- Eugene OR US
We're not allowed to go to space now?
Man, the Starbound party will be so sad.
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I think it'd be cool if we got a hunter killer sub drone to spam into our controlled portion of the ocean yeah! It'd be really fun to be able to see the ocean as a beautiful and lovecraftian tib hell.
Edit: We could also modify them for mapping and tib abatement if we wanted to though that's less significant then forcing Nod to engage more consistently if they wanna sneak through our waters.
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- New England, State of Confusion
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Let's not play coy with what either of us was talking about. Please drop the subject, thank you.
BoSPaladin
The Paladin
Pictured. The damn ion cannon not doing anything.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXSCT1Oj2Tw
That's why. That's why we don't just blast nod more than we already do. Because the last time GDI took out a central nod location it was temple prime, the heart of Nods leadership. And as a result the greatest humanitarian disaster in history was caused. The balkans, eastern europe, miles of yellow zone destroyed and polluted with tiberium, so much that it *still* hasn't all been cleaned up.
And that took out plenty of Nod, sure. But it also took out completely ordinary innocent civillians who just so happened to live anywhere in eastern europe/the balkans. It took out GDI bases and GDI controlled territory too and even impacted blue zones like germany.
All of the ion shields could vanish tomorrow and it would still be a foolish idea to just blast nods yellow zone bases which are on the borders of red zones. Because doing so has the risk of causing massive explosions spreading tiberium all over the continent and setting back abatement efforts years or even decades.
And again, most of those people are innocent. We're trading with nod warlords in india, in the middle east, in north america, china and southeast asia. We have had millions of innocent civillians flee to GDI because of red zone expansion and conditions worsening in yellow zones. And there are millions more who can't make that journey.
And your 'solution' is to, not only blast potentially millions outright. But in doing so that will worsen the tiberium crisis. The arabian peninsula, we're holding onto thanks to co-ordinated abatement with Nod. China, ditto, abating the massive asian red zone prevents Yao's territory from slipping into a massive humanitarian crisis And allows GDI direct access to rich tiberium deposits worth hundreds of R. That translates to billions if not trillions of credits.
Because, that massive explosion? Was in a yellow zone. The red zones have gotten bigger since then, tiberium burrowing deeper, and more liquid tiberium deposits concentrating. If GDI hits the wrong spot now, it could potentially set off a chain reaction even worse than the one on temple prime. That alone could spell the end for GDI, not even counting any nod counterattack.
And the GDI ion cannons were (and are) used regularly. To the point that random nod vehicle convoys filled with refugees or women and children or religious pilgrims could see themselves suddenly surrounded by light and then executed. Thus why a major Nod faction pleaded with us to stop.
There is no/little nod central outside of Kane. maybe stahl... but even then the other warlords have a lot of autonomy. And, once again? Nod threatened to nuke GDI if GDI invaded its remaining territory. In exchange for GDI not doing that, the regency war largely quieted down. Nod not only stepped back from using nukes, but also reduced conventional attacks against GDI and increased diplomatic relations. Since the regency war ended we have engaged in negotiations with Bintang, the Bannerjees, Yao, the Caravanserai. That's a significant amount of the brotherhood who have have peaceful, even mutually beneficial trading relationships with.
But they're not the only factions or warlords in the brotherhood. And other warlords said "Hey, if you attack any of us, we will hit you back with nukes." They were clear on this. Yet GDI attacked Al-Isfahani anyway. And, as Nod said would happen, they attempted to nuke us.
And as was made clear by nod characters narration, and as is undoubtedly happening behind the scenes to GDI officials in universe. This was just a warning. Nod could have done much worse. And yes. GDI could do much worse too. but the reason they don't is because they absolutely have the means to kill everyone on the planet, and no-one wants to see that happen.
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Right, I think one of the major problems here that makes a lot of people unhappy is that we've seen GDI invest a lot of resources into strategic missile defense and countering infiltration... and NOD still seems to have no actual issue getting devastating attacks through. We haven't seen NOD actually have to struggle or sacrifice anything to retain the ability to get these attacks through, despite our investment. Yes, they didn't get every single nuke through, but partial interception is something that should be achievable just by conventional air defence already.
And we've also seen GDI investing into Ion Strike capability... and NOD seems to have countered that capability with shield facilities over the "really important" strategic targets. And again, we don't see what costs and opportunity costs NOD has had to pay to actually achieve this capability. We're simply told, almost entirely with out-of-story WoG, that it makes sense for NOD to have achieved this much despite their limited resources. Needs a bit more "show" to accompany this "tell".
And we've also seen GDI investing into Ion Strike capability... and NOD seems to have countered that capability with shield facilities over the "really important" strategic targets. And again, we don't see what costs and opportunity costs NOD has had to pay to actually achieve this capability. We're simply told, almost entirely with out-of-story WoG, that it makes sense for NOD to have achieved this much despite their limited resources. Needs a bit more "show" to accompany this "tell".
Also, for those who think GDI won't retaliate.... Yes they will.
Not with strategic strikes, because strategic strikes would do exactly the opposite for all the reasons mentioned.
But Nod officials are still going to end up dead for their part in the strikes. Nuclear infrastructure is going to be sabotaged or dismantled. Bases and weapons caches will disappear in freak accidents.
And when Nod goes 'dude, what the fuck?', GDI will respond with 'should not have nuked us, be glad we are being so restrained'. Because sure, this is a warning strike against GDI adventuring, but that doesn't mean GDI cannot remind Nod that just as there are limits on what GDI is doing, there are also lines Nod should not cross without expecting an answer.
Of course, we as the Treasury aren't going to be seeing most of that. Why would we? The Treasury Secretary has no need to know.
Not with strategic strikes, because strategic strikes would do exactly the opposite for all the reasons mentioned.
But Nod officials are still going to end up dead for their part in the strikes. Nuclear infrastructure is going to be sabotaged or dismantled. Bases and weapons caches will disappear in freak accidents.
And when Nod goes 'dude, what the fuck?', GDI will respond with 'should not have nuked us, be glad we are being so restrained'. Because sure, this is a warning strike against GDI adventuring, but that doesn't mean GDI cannot remind Nod that just as there are limits on what GDI is doing, there are also lines Nod should not cross without expecting an answer.
Of course, we as the Treasury aren't going to be seeing most of that. Why would we? The Treasury Secretary has no need to know.
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We Intercepeted *The vast majority* of nuclear projectiles. Both at Karachi, and our defense grid dealing with rail accelerated nuclear projectiles ! They had to spam the latter to get some through. And their other success was sneaking human transportable nuclear weapons....
So in other words our grids doing exactly what it can. What we need is better anti-stealth to make approaching within striking range more difficult, and escape less likely. And to continue helping InOps where possible