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What do Shallyans say about Self defence again? I genuinely don't know this one, So i want to know if she genuinely tries to avoid a fight, but something out of her control happens, what then?

It is perfectly acceptable for a Cleric of Shallya to whack an attacker with the Shallya-approved 'stout walking staff' and repeat as necessary. It would be Playing Silly Buggers to deliberately put yourself in that position explicitly to get the letter-of-the-law approval to deploy the stout walking staff. The thing about following the letter of the strictures instead of the spirit of the strictures is that the spirit of the strictures has a name and that name is Shallya.
 
On one hand, I want to let Eike decide for herself, on another hand I don't want her to become an amethyst, bright, amber, or light wizard. And yet on another hand I want to take her as an apprentice.
 
Yeah, thats fine. Means she cans till follow the spirit of the scriptures as a grey, just with a greater focus on Stealth and scouting compared to our Greatsword of Subtlety. I just wanted to know for if something happened when she was trying to be sneaky.

And yeah, she can totally be more diplo focused than us, and probably should.

On one hand, I want to let Eike decide for herself, on another hand I don't want her to become an amethyst, bright, amber, or light wizard. And yet on another hand I want to take her as an apprentice.
This is basically where I stand.
 
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Pretty sure Ranald does not ban greatswords.
He definitely doesn ot ban murder, provided the right target.
In fact, Ranald is quite pro violence in certain cases.
He says not to carry a sword and use your wit instead.
  • Live by wits, not by your sword.
  • A true devotee of Ranald uses the dagger and stiletto; only amateurs and the slow-witted need armour and long sword.
So Mathilde named her sword 'Moonlit Wit'. :V
 
Ah well. I suppose not all deities can be as kind and understanding as Ranald about technicalities. *snuggles Branulhune*
He says not to carry a sword and use your wit instead.
  • Live by wits, not by your sword.
  • A true devotee of Ranald uses the dagger and stiletto; only amateurs and the slow-witted need armour and long sword.
So Mathilde named her sword 'Moonlit Wit'. :V

To extrapolate on this: Mathilde genuinely believes she is following the spirit of the stricture. She is not using a large, heavy weapon because she is choosing brute strength over finesse and wit. She is using a large, heavy weapon because when she had the time and opportunity to learn how to wield a weapon, the Greatswords were the best teachers at hand. She employs her greatsword with as much cleverness and skill as she is able, rather than using it as a bludgeon to batter away obstacles. In this way she follows the strictures of Ranald as she understands them. The name of Branulhune is not her flaunting her breaking of a stricture, it's her showing her devotion to it.

If she actually was a big hulking brute that thought she could get away with whacking people with a huge chunk of metal as her first resort by saying it's actually a really big dagger, Ranald would be distinctly unamused.
 
Um I'm not convinced of the pro-gold-order arguments.
The argument seems to be that golds are expected and encouraged to seek wealth.
Which is all fine and well until you place a gold wizard at the head of a trading company designed around being good for the empire first and bringing in profit second.
It would be very easy to switch those focuses around - maybe even expected to.

Everybody is afraid of the safeguards against Gray wizards but I think Mathilde would be afraid of non-safeguarded wizards

If greed is the motivator "Don't skinn the sheep" policies can be adjusted quickly

That applies to basically anyone who isn't a Grey Wizard or a Sigmarite priest though.

Even Elector Counts aren't expected to be pure and selfless.

On the flip side gold wizards - or any type of wizards really - aren't going to be more prone to skinning the sheep than anyone else.
 
I support apprentice. Both because Eike is adorable and also because having Eike trailing after us with dwarven plaits and an axe would be awesome :D

Also Ranaldus Vult infidels.
 
To extrapolate on this: Mathilde genuinely believes she is following the spirit of the stricture. She is not using a large, heavy weapon because she is choosing brute strength over finesse and wit. She is using a large, heavy weapon because when she had the time and opportunity to learn how to wield a weapon, the Greatswords were the best teachers at hand. She employs her greatsword with as much cleverness and skill as she is able, rather than using it as a bludgeon to batter away obstacles. In this way she follows the strictures of Ranald as she understands them. The name of Branulhune is not her flaunting her breaking of a stricture, it's her showing her devotion to it.

If she actually was a big hulking brute that thought she could get away with whacking people with a huge chunk of metal as her first resort by saying it's actually a really big dagger, Ranald would be distinctly unamused.
'it's only a witty interpretation if the interpretation is witty, not an excuse.'
 
If she actually was a big hulking brute that thought she could get away with whacking people with a huge chunk of metal as her first resort by saying it's actually a really big dagger, Ranald would be distinctly unamused.
I dunno, i think Ranald would find that a great setup for a joke.
Though we probably would not enjoy the punchline. :thonk:
 
after she mounts the horse - side-saddle
she accelerates to a canter down the stairs

I know she's basically magically glued on but this is still a hell of an image.


"So," he says in Reikspiel, "you'll be the one keeping the goods flowing from here to the Empire in the future?"

In which Belebro continues to earn his nickname.


"Our little clan"

but you suppose if you wanted to permanently make a place amenable to mists or confusion it would take you... well, you actually wouldn't even know where to start, but if you did you'd guess it would take you at least as long.

....ahem.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

But by the letter of the law, you're not forced into action while you're this far south of the Empire's borders.


Blessed technicalities.

I think we should try to sell Wilhelmina on the benefits of mageliness. Eike will be an even better heir with Azyr or Chamon backing her up. Or even Ulgu!
 
Light college works for her faith, as they primarily fight chaos. A Shallyan Light wizard would just focus more on opposing nurgle. I'm also quite sure that Shallya doesn't oppose smiting demons of any flavor, either. Downside is that not a lot of Apprentices make it past the choirs, Eike could be one of them. And that the college itself isn't the best positioned for 'business'
Grey college would likely be Mathilde's favourite (she's biased, though), because it's the safest for the empire. Being one of the Lords of the Grey college (and potentially her future master), she gets some say in what Eike ends up doing in the long run, which she could leverage to keep Wilhemina somewhat happy. Downsides are that her upbringing might not be a good fit.
Celestial college has the best synergy on the Magic/Business axis, i.e. using magic to improve business. Downside: Mathilde doesn't like the way Azyr influences Celestials' thinking, which might lead to disagreements down the line. But would be interesting as well.
The Gold college reverses the Magic/Business axis, i.e. using Business to improve Magic. Culturally, the college encourages the accumulation of wealth (and gold), which could be good, or bad. Though I'm inclined to think that having the upbringing she has, Eike will quite likely stay on the side of the angels. Not to mention, the Lord Magister Grey wizard silent partner.
Jade might be interesting, as it Synergizes with her Shallyan faith, and understanding of growth seems to be intrinsic to the college. Life wizards are also among the colleges that reproduce, so Wilhemina's empire might survive multiple generations, if under the stewardship of the Jade college. Hypothetically, Panoramia could take her magister exam and take her as an apprentice, which would draw her out of the college's cult, and draw her into our orbit. But that's a longshot, for multiple reasons.

For the other three winds, I can't think of any positives, and i'm not just going to list the downsides.
 

That's the correct translation if Kazrik was using proper grammar, but it's not uncommon for Dwarves to use -it as a diminutive of the root plus -i even though formal grammar would argue that that Kazrik should have said 'Utkalanikit' instead. It literally meaning something like 'little clanmate', or in this case, 'little sibling'. Kazrik was joking that that's the only form of address he's needed for Princes since the only ones he knows are his little brothers, but Eike thought he was being serious and called the Prince her little bro.

Khazalid doesn't have separate honorifics, if you want to be respectful you say their full proper name and title every time.
 
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Arguably the Gromril Greatsword of Cannonball Smiting is in fact the elegant solution. We could be brute forcing things by attempting the spamming Pit of Shades after all.

Also, against what we sometimes end up fighting it totes is just an oversized dagger. :p
 
That's the correct translation if Kazrik was using proper grammar, but it's not uncommon for Dwarves to use -it as a diminutive of the root plus -i even though formal grammar would argue that that Kazrik should have said 'Utkalanikit' instead. It literally meaning something like 'little clanmate', or in this case, 'little sibling'. Kazrik was joking that that's the only form of address he's needed for Princes since the only ones he knows are his little brothers, but Eike thought he was being serious and called the Prince her little bro.

Thank you, most informative. That just makes it even better.
 
That applies to basically anyone who isn't a Grey Wizard or a Sigmarite priest though.

Even Elector Counts aren't expected to be pure and selfless.

On the flip side gold wizards - or any type of wizards really - aren't going to be more prone to skinning the sheep than anyone else.

Thats absoluteley true, but doesn't negate the fact its not a great argument pro-gold wizardry. Its not a counter argument either, but using this justification we could push Eike any which way except Grey.
 
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