It helps avoid that interplay.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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It helps avoid that interplay.
You're too fast
. My edit wasn't even done before you replied, so here it is again.Also, for the real "reach" option: non-binary Wind interactions. From a Doylist point of view I can't imagine it's really feasible because of how much of a can of worms that would be, but from a Watsonian point of view I can easily imagine a circumstance where two Winds are never stable but 3 or more can achieve a dynamic stability
edit: actually the REAL reach option is "such crazy fine control that you can dynamically maintain a constant distance between Ulgu and the other Wind, despite the thrashing of the other Wind"
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Effectively impossible for mono-Wind casters. It would take months of practice to get two Wizards in sync enough to produce usable results and they'd be racking up Dhar exposure and miscasts the entire time. It might be possible for someone capable of High Magic. It might be that High Magic actually involves this.
I'm not expecting a different result mind you, but just to be clear, I meant a single mono-wind caster trying to use tongs on multiple winds at once and trying to take advantage of the non-controlled winds repelling eachother. Like setting them spiralling around eachother in a double helix inside a tube of Ulgu or something along those lines
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This all sounds like a lot of ways for us to get put under house Arrest for Ulgu Crimes.
At best.
It would be like trying to find special-case solutions to the three-body problem when two of the bodies are able to move under their own power and are actively resisting everything you try to do. Theoretically possible, but in practical terms so mind-bogglingly difficult that it would probably take a Greater Daemons of Tzeentch to have even a chance of success.
Quite probably. On the other hand it has a vanishingly small chance of turning out to be a case of "stools with 3 legs are a lot less likely to fall over than stools with 2 legs"
Huh, didn't realize I was quoting you BoneyM
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It really doesn't.
As I editted in, I missed the fact that you were the one that replied until I had already made a fool of myself.
Ok, last spitball idea for the night: just herding clumps of a Wind into the most basic and crude manifestation possible. I'm specifically thinking "well if we just kind of shove more Ashquy into a fire, the fire will probably flare up". Of course by that point you're in the realm of things already covered by cantrips
K von Carstein
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So will we get Egrimm? I didn't catch exactly what Mira said, with her metaphor. Does she mean that no Light wizard is irreplaceable/unique and that we will get one who isn't Egrimm?
Ambient Winds don't really have dramatic physical effects in the short term unless there's huge amounts of them present. You'd need to herd Battle Magic levels of Aqshy just to make a fire flare up.
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I feel this needs to be made clear: the Winds hate interacting with other Winds.
You cannot stabilise a destructive interaction between X winds by introducing another Wind unless you're making Qhyash, which is fundamentally different to any mono-wind based control. You cannot mix winds 'a little bit' with Dhar. You cannot make one wind play nice with another wind, only assure they don't interfere with eachother.
We saw this with Mathilde's tests, even. Ghyran and Chamon interacted uniquely destructively to being manipulated by Ulgu, because they are fundamentally separate, down to the conceptual level. To make multi-wind projects does not and will not involve tying together multiple winds, ever, in any form, that does not fundamentally merge them into a new state, because they cannot coexist as separate Winds otherwise*. It will involve making sure those winds don't touch. The Winds are aware, in their own alien way, and that awareness arises as 'what the FUCK is this' when meeting another Wind.
*Elementalist: Haha elements go brrrr
You cannot stabilise a destructive interaction between X winds by introducing another Wind unless you're making Qhyash, which is fundamentally different to any mono-wind based control. You cannot mix winds 'a little bit' with Dhar. You cannot make one wind play nice with another wind, only assure they don't interfere with eachother.
We saw this with Mathilde's tests, even. Ghyran and Chamon interacted uniquely destructively to being manipulated by Ulgu, because they are fundamentally separate, down to the conceptual level. To make multi-wind projects does not and will not involve tying together multiple winds, ever, in any form, that does not fundamentally merge them into a new state, because they cannot coexist as separate Winds otherwise*. It will involve making sure those winds don't touch. The Winds are aware, in their own alien way, and that awareness arises as 'what the FUCK is this' when meeting another Wind.
*Elementalist: Haha elements go brrrr
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The implication seemed to be that she's planning on kicking the current Patriarch's ass in the upcoming duels for leadership and sending Horstman our way afterwards.
How feasible would it be for Mathilde to bind a Greater Daemon of Tzeentch under her command?
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If you want to start chugging Dhar we can just skip the Daemons and start using the Liber Mortis, y'know.
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Try it and find out.
Mathilde has enough information to get the attention of something Tzeentchian if she really puts the effort in, but not enough for any sort of binding.
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Or that Engimm is a bit off a prima donna, and that Mira hopes he will grow out of if given a chance to shine in a collaboration with the other colleges.
In the light college, light Magisters are interchangeable... He's just a pretty good one,so he feels there are things others can do.
Otoh in a multi college project there are things that only he can do, and things which he absolutely can't.
So he'll have to cooperate with others in a different way than in a choir.
At least that's my read on it
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I was getting the impression she meant Alric was too focused on the 'Peak' of the college, and that he's forgotten that said peak is held up by those underneath it.
I've now taken this to mean she's actively helping us poach Egrimm because Alric over-relies on him and it'd be a reminder to Alric not to take those underneath him for granted. Whether he is or not, I don't know Warhammer well enough to be sure.
Yeah this isn't really our field.
Hey, Egrimm! We got a job for you!
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Well now i have to read it again cos that is miles apart from my interpretation of itI was getting the impression she meant Alric was too focused on the 'Peak' of the college, and that he's forgotten that said peak is held up by those underneath it.
I've now taken this to mean she's actively helping us poach Egrimm because Alric over-relies on him and it'd be a reminder to Alric not to take those underneath him for granted. Whether he is or not, I don't know Warhammer well enough to be sure.
Yeah this isn't really our field.
Hey, Egrimm! We got a job for you!
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Mira said "The person she met". Mathilde before that had said that she'd gone to the light college to meet the Magister Patriarch, aka Alric.Well now i have to read it again cos that is miles apart from my interpretation of it
Thats why my read is the way it is.
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Yeah i can see it, now that you point that out.
I had taken the person you met as Horstmann.
I think i like your read better, as it also gives Mira a motivation. Inner light college politics.
Alric is the prima donna that won't just retire and let a younger lord magister take over. Horstmann is helping Alric keep power, but chafes under it.
Mira also agrees that Alric has been clinging to power for too long.
And her way to do something about it is to remove Alric's goto person, so that he has to let go of power.
It's congruent with Horstmann's side of things.
Or you could paint Mira as the antagonist instead. Power hungry, which is why Alric keeps clinging to power, and this is her politicking to get a permanent position as Matriarch.
K von Carstein
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I thought she was talking about Egrimm, but your idea makes more sense.
K von Carstein
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Yeah, the following quote support your theory.
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Ironforge and Shadowforge City and the interior design of many other Dwarven homes and shops from that game might also work as inspiration. WarCraft has cribbed so much from Warhammer, no reason not to crib some back.
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