You know on the balance what shocks me about the golds keeping secrets is not the humans doing so, it's the elves, including during the all out war to the knife. I would have thought someone would have gone 'right let's use this to spy on the stunties skills'.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Manchester, UK
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That the dwarves don't know about it is not the same as the elves not having done it. "We copied your techniques because we couldn't come up with anything as good" is not the sort of thing you announce to your bitter enemies.
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- Greece
Why do I think that maybe, just maybe, the Dawi know but also have countermeasures for it?
I mean, WoQM about Dawi reactions should they learn of the spells is the college's and Mathilde's understanding of the subject, and maybe it fits the Dawi that the colleges think like that because it means fewer people try, and as such, the countermeasures have to be used less. But... is it necessarilly true? They'd have to counter the elgi gold magic back in the war...
I mean, WoQM about Dawi reactions should they learn of the spells is the college's and Mathilde's understanding of the subject, and maybe it fits the Dawi that the colleges think like that because it means fewer people try, and as such, the countermeasures have to be used less. But... is it necessarilly true? They'd have to counter the elgi gold magic back in the war...
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
I'm very willing to believe that in the Golden Age they had specific means to protect their stuff from being Tale of Metal'd or Breach the Unknown'd, which came in handy during the War of Vengeance, but given that there was a Time of Woes right afterwards where a whole lot of knowledge got lost, both the knowledge of these spells and the ability to ward against them vanished from the dwarves and for obvious reasons the elves were not keen to remind them.
Maybe so but that would imply that every single piece of dwarf craft has magic counter measures, but that means runes and runes are not subtle. even if they did have such counter measures in the old days they certainly do not have it now when runes are even rarer.
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- Earth
It feels a bit weird this vote. It was looking like Karag Nar thingy in V4 was going to take it, and then suddenly this cleaned up stuff came up. And while it is not at the location I would prefer the branch to be, I can get behind the goal. Let there be jolly cooperation.
[X] Plan: Cleaned Up College of Collaboration
-[X] Branch College
--[X] Headquarters: Karag Nar
--[X] Charter: Research: Studies involving collaboration between the Colleges of Magic, and between the Colleges and divine miracle-workers, with a particular focus on working with Runesmiths.
--[X] Colleges (all)
-[X] Karak Eight Peaks: To the degree it safely and sustainably can, let K8P gather, preserve, and disseminate knowledge to all goodly folk. Let the tool of this boon be a library and all the books that might be gathered to it, watched over by those of any race who would swear and be accepted as librarians.
-[X] Karak Kadrin Engineers Guild: A gyrocarriage
I still don't agree with the personal gyrocarrige. It feels like a luxury Mat doesn't really need. But I suppose the people who want to live in K8Ps and work in Lorelon might have a point, if they want regular commutes. I just hope we don't end up with a Boon (the carriage) that ends up gathering dust/being unnecessary.
[X] Plan: Cleaned Up College of Collaboration
-[X] Branch College
--[X] Headquarters: Karag Nar
--[X] Charter: Research: Studies involving collaboration between the Colleges of Magic, and between the Colleges and divine miracle-workers, with a particular focus on working with Runesmiths.
--[X] Colleges (all)
-[X] Karak Eight Peaks: To the degree it safely and sustainably can, let K8P gather, preserve, and disseminate knowledge to all goodly folk. Let the tool of this boon be a library and all the books that might be gathered to it, watched over by those of any race who would swear and be accepted as librarians.
-[X] Karak Kadrin Engineers Guild: A gyrocarriage
I still don't agree with the personal gyrocarrige. It feels like a luxury Mat doesn't really need. But I suppose the people who want to live in K8Ps and work in Lorelon might have a point, if they want regular commutes. I just hope we don't end up with a Boon (the carriage) that ends up gathering dust/being unnecessary.
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- Manchester, UK
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- He/They
Something like this?
[ ] Plan: Mathilde Weber's Mountain Workshop of Masonry and Warfare
-[ ] Branch College
--[ ] Headquarters: Karag Nar
--[ ] Charter: Research: Techniques for the construction and maintenance of large-scale magical devices, including magical superweapons, waystones, and infrastructure projects, including collaboration with non-collegiate experts. + Teaching: Same.
--[ ] Colleges (all)
-[ ] Karak Eight Peaks: To the degree it safely and sustainably can, let K8P gather, preserve, and disseminate knowledge to all goodly folk. Let the tool of this boon be a library and all the books that might be gathered to it, watched over by those of any race who would swear and be accepted as librarians.
-[ ] Karak Kadrin Engineers Guild: A gyrocarriage
[X] Plan: Cleaned Up College of Collaboration
[X] Plan: Research into jolly cooperation, and a library.
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- Czech Republic
If Mathilde didn't have access to gyrocarriage back when she killed Asanbosam she would not have a dragon chair right now.
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- Elsewhere
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Ride
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Maybe there is a single Rune of Memetic Hazard that drives anyone who sees it mad* and one of the mandatory Rituals of Thungni during crafting is to place it on the wall while making a Runic item, not look at it, and safely take it down and store it away again after.
*: Or burns the spell they are currently casting out of their minds together with whatever memories they just formed. Or just kills them. Or have Thungni himself appear in their minds and tell them off. Or makes them physically explode. Or just makes them see everything blue forever including in Windsight. Or...
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A Rune of Memetic hazard sounds like something Chaos would have corrupted long ago, secondly the reason the dwarfs would kill any wizard who used Tale of Metal does not have to do only with rules. A smith or engineer would be just as murderous.
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- Manchester, UK
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Honestly probably more so. Because there's basically nothing that a human can do with the secrets of runecraft - while the engineering secrets are far more transferrable.
Eh, we do not know if anything is transferable and likely would never know. At the very lest the Dawi Zhar could get some use out of perverting runes
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- Denial
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Does a charter come with any requirements? Like I assume that if we got a charter to set up Weber's School for Gifted Youngsters and then never hire any teachers and just pocket the budget we'd get in trouble but if we do actually set up the research institute hire researchers but fail to discover anything of value is there a point where the colleges decide it's a waste of money and the charter gets revoked?
dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
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- The Land Where The Sunflowers Bloom
Is there something that says they had it during/before the war? The elves had several thousand years to make new spells between then and Tecilis teaching them to the colleges.
No formal requirements, though the College retains the right to revoke the charter should they feel it's being misused or it's proving detrimental to the College's reputation. Considering Mathilde's track record, the College thinking they're getting less out of her than they're putting in isn't something the thread should be overly concerned about.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Funny thing is, Mathilde knows that from experience. (I'm looking at you, Alkharad)It would be quite unnatural if someone did not die when decapitated.
Anyway, after Boney basically blew the major concerns with collaboration out of the water, I also remembered something else that makes it really awesome. Who wants to work with Horstmann on lots of research projects? Because Collaboration sounds like the best way to make that happen.
[X] Plan: Cleaned Up College of Collaboration
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
There's also the fact that the White Tower of Hoeth wouldn't be completed until ~500 IC. There's almost certainly much more continuity between the Colleges and the magic of the Tower at that date than between the Colleges and what came before (especially as far back as the War of Vengeance)
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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"What if I underachieve?" worried Mathilde "Drakenhof" "Divine Mugging" "Alkharad" "Eye of Gazul" "Battle of the Caldera" "Queekish" "Karak Vlag" Weber, Dame, Thane, Lady Magister, &c.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
When that's the sort of expectations one has to live up to, it's not that strange a worry, actually. On the other hand, they're her previous achievements, and we've already got one basically confirmed path to completely breaking the magic paradigm we work in,—if I'm remembering previous statements about Windherder supposedly being something impossible under College understanding—and hopes for one or two more. So...
- Location
- Texas
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- He/Him
[X] Plan: Cleaned Up College of Collaboration
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- Something Clever
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- She/Her
As I understand it, it's not just for personal use, it's for ferrying research institute personnel around so that e.g. they can assist with the Waystone project despite not being based in or near Laurelorn.
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- Oklahoma
Just imagine a pimped out gyrocarriage appearing over the horizon in a time of greatest need, filled with twenty magic nerds, and you see its purpose.
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