Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
Do we have any reason to think Roswita hasn't already established the mine?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
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- Location
- Spain
I would say that if Markgraf is taken we are going to have lots of people "running things in the background" while we go out and hunt the biggest threats...
Remember, we are dealing with Necromancers and Vampires the number are low but they are very powerful.
- Location
- Mexico
Mon'keigh together strong!
(I know fantasy elves probably don't use that word).
What you are describing is not a ruler.
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- Location
- Aotearoa
True(ish), and hopefully a viable source of income for Sylvania, though we don't know the state of it's reserves and it wasn't entirely untapped- the reason we know of it was because of the circumstantially mining-related equipment and gold Gustav found in Drakenhof town.
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I think it's far more likely we'd just send the Battle mages running around in Sylvania to take care of that. Besides, is there even some kind of big threat (like Azkaban for example) in Sylvania currently? Because Ross didn't mention it when she was informing us about Edgelord.
- Location
- USA
Well, it's working for the EC of Wissenland? He dumps the "skaven intrigue" problem into...someone's...lap while he just goes to punch straightforward problems.
Markgraf Weber could do the same--push the administrative problems onto someone else while she just goes to hit vampire problems with her sword. I have a hard time imagining the thread choosing that for her, though.
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- Earth
The main focus is rooting out necromancers and vampires, yes. That doesn't mean that we pay no attention to everything else. Abelhelm's main goal was building up Stirland as a bulwark against Sylvania, but he had to do many, many unrelated things, because that's what rulers have to deal with.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I think I found what I remembered:
That said, given that "samples from Karag Dum" aren't on our Accumulated Artifacts list, "pieces she collected" was probably metaphorical.
Fair point. She might say "the revenues from the Drakenhof mine go to Sylvania's budget rather than Stirland's," though?
Yes. We will have advisers. On whom we need to spend AP, because we don't get the benefit of subordinates without spending AP or surrendering control.
I mean, surrendering control of the business of governing and devoting ourselves wholly to murdering vampires and necromancers in the field is an option! The people who do that sort of job are totally trustworthy folk with absolutely no ulterior motives. Thread title? What thread title?
If we were taking his job, we'd be becoming his Intrigue Advisor, on whom WissenlandQuest is spending .5 AP using the standard mechanics for subordinates as established in this quest. It frees up attention for the EC to focus on other stuff, but it's not free.
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Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Isn't it a half AP for advisors?
WhiteNights
Notorious Phoneposter
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- She/Her
Most of the examples of ideas to do in Sylvania came from the arguments against Markgraf, and most of the arguments for Markgraf involved "we are going to whack vampires and we can delegate all the rest", which IMO, is not in the least bit realistic.
Abelheim, since he was brought up, was involved in action for all the advisors in that part of the quest, he did multiple diplomacy and infrastructure actions. Even with our current subordinates we are involved in their actions. Most of our bonding came from when he backed us up in intrigue actions, and we were one of his competent advisors!
Sylvania is not, will not, and can not be "hands off".
None of the jobs are "hands off".
Abelheim, since he was brought up, was involved in action for all the advisors in that part of the quest, he did multiple diplomacy and infrastructure actions. Even with our current subordinates we are involved in their actions. Most of our bonding came from when he backed us up in intrigue actions, and we were one of his competent advisors!
Sylvania is not, will not, and can not be "hands off".
None of the jobs are "hands off".
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- Mexico
I agree with the second part, but also look at our current system, it would not be a free action, it would be like what we do with Max/Johann, we already employ them and have some AP sunk into them, and then we decide what they do and we observe, the only way around that would be to completely ignore the issue, don't even bother talking about one area or reading the reports every 2 turns or so, that's bad rulership and i don't see us doing that either.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
That'd presumably be something to hammer out in the negotiation phase.
A lot of people have been calling the Markgraff role "Edgelord", and whilst that's not an incorrect translation, a more accurate (if less concise) translation would be "Duke with special military privileges to secure and contain a troublesome border".
Look, I'm voting for it because I like it; I think it's narrativly appropriate, I like the cast, I think we'll have some interesting adventures using all of our stats from Martial to Learning and from Stewardship to Diplomacy.
But it's very much about being the ruler of a province. We have to set up civic government, and give it both authority and legitimacy. We have to build infrastructure. We have to revitalise the economy. We have to convert people to an approved faith. We have to make the people believe that their lives will be better off as part of the social fabric of the Empire. We have to make Sylvania, if not profitable, then at least no longer a burden on Stirland. And we have a lot of freedom in how we do that, but we still have to do it.
Now, I think all of that will be fascinating, especially with the conflicts already present in Sylvania and with Boney's excellent writing. We have a slowly growing legend, the protector coin, we're trained in anti-vampire combat, I think we can do all of that. I don't think it'll be easy, but it is possible.
But lets not forget that it is a rulership position.
And some people don't want that.
And that's okay.
which is why you should vote for wissenland instead
Look, I'm voting for it because I like it; I think it's narrativly appropriate, I like the cast, I think we'll have some interesting adventures using all of our stats from Martial to Learning and from Stewardship to Diplomacy.
But it's very much about being the ruler of a province. We have to set up civic government, and give it both authority and legitimacy. We have to build infrastructure. We have to revitalise the economy. We have to convert people to an approved faith. We have to make the people believe that their lives will be better off as part of the social fabric of the Empire. We have to make Sylvania, if not profitable, then at least no longer a burden on Stirland. And we have a lot of freedom in how we do that, but we still have to do it.
Now, I think all of that will be fascinating, especially with the conflicts already present in Sylvania and with Boney's excellent writing. We have a slowly growing legend, the protector coin, we're trained in anti-vampire combat, I think we can do all of that. I don't think it'll be easy, but it is possible.
But lets not forget that it is a rulership position.
And some people don't want that.
And that's okay.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Also we can use our income from the EIC to fund Sylvania at least at first. Our personal treasury is basically a non-factor rn given we trade mostly in favours after all. And I'm sure Belegar would lend us money at very competitive rates even without having to use a boon. We could then have him lend part of it on to Stirland with us as guarantor in exchange for Stirland giving us the entirety of the gold mine's income (if established).
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
That too, I'm sure, but I'm fairly certain that at many points the vampires of Sylvania accepted tribute paid in the form of voluntary blood tithes.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Yes. I am pretty sure we'd want a full council of six; a diplomat for obvious reasons, a military advisor for more obvious reasons, a steward to help deal with funding this bullshit, the hochlander for our spy network, a piety advisor because that is literally part of the job Roswita laid out, and when we've already got five we might as well grab a learning advisor as well (maybe take a page out of Abelhelm's book and grab an architect to do infrastructural improvements? Maybe we can grab someone from Zhufbar). That's 3 AP every turn spent managing them. The thing I objected to was people talking about it as background stuff we wouldn't need to invest any resources into because Roswita doesn't care about it.
Yeah, that would make sense.
Boney has been pretty clear that our income, while considerable from a personal standpoint, is a drop in a bucket compared to county-level expenses, which is what we're talking about.
Our income from the EIC is nothing compared to the expenses of running what's basically a province. The same can be said for Dwarf Favor, we've a lot for a person, but it'd burn extremely quickly if we escalate what we buy to province level.
- Location
- California
I would remember the advice we gave to Roswita. The weapon of a ruler is their council, not anything they stab people with. We would be a ruler over Sylvania if that option is taken and our primary weapon would be our council.
If people want that, then they should absolutely vote for it. If they don't want that, there are other options. Either choice is valid.
If people want that, then they should absolutely vote for it. If they don't want that, there are other options. Either choice is valid.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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- Places
Says the guy who wants to go to the place where the ground is so full of Dhar its basically necromantic cocaine.
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- Earth
Random thought: We could easily afford to reimburse Stirland for all the money we embezzled now 
Admitting it would be unwise, of course, so maybe an anonymous donation for Roswita's wine cellar or something.
Admitting it would be unwise, of course, so maybe an anonymous donation for Roswita's wine cellar or something.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Considering we saved her butt from Alakazam, I'd say we're more than equal.
- Location
- USA
Eh, Abelhelm seemed aware that Mathilde was working for more than just her salary and turned a blind eye to it because she wasn't doing it on the scale of, say, the Professor.
Random thought: We could easily afford to reimburse Stirland for all the money we embezzled now
Admitting it would be unwise, of course, so maybe an anonymous donation for Roswita's wine cellar or something.
I think we "paid" Stirland back when we unleashed the battlewizards.
Which reminds me; who ever gets the Markgraff job is probably going to have to be the main liaison between the battlewizards and the locals (or at the very least, whatever poor fools Roswita convinces to take the count/baron titles). That's probably why Roswita came to us first—I image most people qualified for the role would struggle with having a dozen or so battlewizards walk in and dump a sack of vampire skulls on the table.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Also we spent our "embezzled money" on Stirland actions in the end, so he likely found it amusing we were immoral enough to mildly embezzle and dutiful enough to spend our personal funds on doing our job.