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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Prime 2.0 said:
Normally you'd be right, but I've seen votes in this quest stretch for so many pages that SV will start refusing page requests causing nettally to fail, and while I've not checked I suspect this is one of them.

Pretty much, yeah. Though I think the same guy who made it coded the integrated tallier, so.
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on this note: is anyone else getting '500 Internal Server Error' if they try to look at Boneys past posts in the thread tools.

Pickles too.
 
Ganurath said:
If we do the Waystone Project, and wind up liaising between the Eonir and K8P, wouldn't that potentially drag K8P into the whole Ulrican Elves political mess? With potential complications involving the refugees fleeing said elves?
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Elves don't actually care about the refugees now that they are gone. They just wanted them gone and didn't care how.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
AP is both an Abstraction of Boneys time and a tool for creating the game through scarcity, making any of the Jobs AP little is the same as turning down the difficulty of the game and adding work onto them.

scarcity is the fun of the game: e.g all jobs will the AP hungry in their own ways.

edit: so even if the story is different, boeny will still come up with ways to eat the AP so we never get around to doing everything we want.
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I dont think this is true.
We can vote for [ ] Research Sabbatical. And I don't think that Boney would let us vote for that if he had problem with us having ap to do stuff.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
AP is both an Abstraction of Boneys time and a tool for creating the game through scarcity, making any of the Jobs AP little is the same as turning down the difficulty of the game and adding work onto them.

scarcity is the fun of the game: e.g all jobs will the AP hungry in their own ways.

edit: so even if the story is different, boeny will still come up with ways to eat the AP so we never get around to doing everything we want.
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I agree with you that all of the jobs will be AP hungry in their own ways. Totally; Boney always makes us trade off different things we value. It's a fundamental principle of the quest, right down to the name.

My point isn't "Sylvania is inherently more AP-hungry than the others," my point is "Sylvania is the sort of job that we-the-players have historically demonstrated that we throw all our AP into." It is psychologically easier to let dominate our life.
picklepikkl said:
With Sylvania, none of those factors hold. There's no defined task that changes year-to-year, just our remit to "pacify Sylvania," which is a huge task. We're the ones calling the shots; Roswita is giving us independence and discretion specifically so that she can focus on being the Elector-Countess of Stirland. The problem with that is that there's no way to accomplish a "good enough for our boss" the way there would be for Loremaster-at-Large and Bodyguard, and there's no way to just shrug and be like "oh well, I can work a little less hard this turn and no real harm will come of it" the way there would be for Waystones, because our job is to kill monsters before they kill people. We know what the thread is like when it's in "people's lives are counting on this" mode: we go full workaholic. We did it in Stirland, and we did it in K8P during the run-up to Dum: our time-on-task jumped dramatically once Belegar assigned us the Dum expedition and we dropped almost all of our side projects and interests. I have zero reason to believe this wouldn't also be true for Markgraf, and that's why I'm hoping we can find a substitute for the Research Institute, so that there's a good reason to not just feed all our time into the flame of "making the world a better place."
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Here's a post of mine where I pointed out that the last times we had jobs like this, we threw almost all of our AP at them.
Byzantine said:
Markgraf is the least likely for job AP actions to be also be actions we would spend AP on if it wasn't the job - the other three are going to involve at least some research and learning, which lets some AP do double duty.
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Well, Markgraf is going to involve a lot of self-improvement actions in our free time, though, since things like "improving our skill with Branulhune" and "learning how to see through Pall of Darkness" will be job-relevant. It's just that I'm very tired of that kind of action, since we did so much of it in the run-up to Dum.
Jyn Ryvia said:
on this note: is anyone else getting '500 Internal Server Error' if they try to look at Boneys past posts in the thread tools.

Pickles too.
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It's happening for looking up anyone's past posts from their user page and from using the Who Replied feature on the thread as well.
 
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[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred

Approval voting is a funny thing.

I know it's been beaten to death already... but Markgraf voters should consider switching their vote. We can still play in Sylvania, just at the Emperor's behest rather than Roswita's.
 
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Prime 2.0 said:
Normally you'd be right, but I've seen votes in this quest stretch for so many pages that SV will start refusing page requests causing nettally to fail, and while I've not checked I suspect this is one of them.

Pretty much, yeah. Though I think the same guy who made it coded the integrated tallier, so.
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Ah, right. I remember someone got banned for a day or two back in 2015 or so because the tally pinged the site too many times too quickly.

I don't think they were made by the same person. Kinematics did NetTally and Firnagzen was the one behind the fourm tally iirc.
Jyn Ryvia said:
on this note: is anyone else getting '500 Internal Server Error' if they try to look at Boneys past posts in the thread tools.

Pickles too.
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Just checked. Yep, happens to me too.
 
Byzantine said:
Elves don't actually care about the refugees now that they are gone. They just wanted them gone and didn't care how.
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I don't know about that. Having the Ulricans kill them was presumably part of the Eonir's agreement with them- the Eonir finding out that the Ulricans went around them on that could cause issues.
 
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Loremaster-At-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev

Honestly, The Waystone Project seems like the sort of thing we work towards while doing the other stuff, currying favor to get those snatches of secrets and lore that gets wound into a cohesive whole later on. Which makes it perfect for an adventurous soul like Mathilde's.
Nagarythe to get to know elves better and to reclaim our honor after being out Ulgu'd by some random Elgi.
LaL to give Thorgrim more joyful conniptions and to figure out IC what KaK is using all that magic juice for. (Also a vague dream of convincing Cython to go body some uppity fire draks in spectacular fashion.)
Border Princess just because no one ever deals with the Border Princes, and I want to see how Mathilde approaches that nonsense.
Spymaster because Skaven. Just because Skaven. Maybe we'll run into awkward Eshin acquaintance again! Or find a new use for our dog-loving prisoner, it's been awhile.

Also I would totally vote for Swamp Town but Lustria is a terrifying hell-hole that eats daemons and shits lizardmen on top of us which, while cool, can totally kill us. Plus it's really far from all of our social contacts.

EDIT: I dumped Border Princess for glorious Ranaldian shenanigans. I want to continue being a bad influence on Ranald.
 
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Everybody everybody i think we are all going about this the wrong way, the main argument against doing any 1 of the top three people are throwing about is not wanting to go all in on 1 single project. So the obvious solution is to go Bodyguard so we can do all of them as much as we want and instead of going 50 turns on 1 project instead do mini turn ones like the Dum expedition
 
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I don't like the Markgraf option. Basically, each of these options represents a focus on a part of the quest that we've seen before, and I do not like the part of the quest that the Markgraf option would bring into focus. Remember how much difficulty we had with the Watch? And how people rage about the EIC eating up our actions? And how we spent so much time being angry at Borek? An entire quest of that would be pretty unpleasant. Additionally, it'd tie us down to our home base. We might be able to get one or two days off at a time, but we couldn't go off for weeks on a whim the way we can now. I think that Mathilde is strongest when she's hands-on with Weird Shit and traipsing off across the Old World to blow minds and I think that administrating a province wouldn't give us much time to do that. Mathilde is most interesting when she's working with other people, and I feel that Markgraf would almost necessarily involve us working against other people.

Conversely, I think that Loremaster-at-Large, Bodyguard, and Waystone Project would all be doing things that we all enjoy. Research is fun. Blowing minds is fun. Going out investigating Weird Shit is fun. Meeting powerful new people and having our minds blown is fun. Skulking around stealing shit is fun. That's what those options all offer, in varying degrees. That's why I'm voting for them and not for the Markgraf position.
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
Congrats guys, we are actually starting to Break SV a bit with this thread.
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You know, I always figured that half the reason for the internal tallier was to make tallying more efficient server-side? That it would get to do stuff like flag valid voting posts at the time of posting, and so only actually parse those. Or pre-parse voting options at the time of posting/editing and store them as metadata in posts that recognizeably have votes, so the act of tallying doesn't have to parse text at all!

But nope, by all indications it's still horribly unoptimized lmao.
 
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inbred martian said:
Everybody everybody i think we are all going about this the wrong way, the main argument against doing any 1 of the top three people are throwing about is not wanting to go all in on 1 single project. So the obvious solution is to go Bodyguard so we can do all of them as much as we want and instead of going 50 turns on 1 project instead do mini turn ones like the Dum expedition
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Unfortunately we have been told that Waystones would requiere us getting access to the kind of secrets that would only be disclosed to someone trusted to see the project to it's end, not to someone claiming be maybe be able to poke at it from time to time.
 
More waystone pros:

College politics, more interacting with the colleges in general
(An slight con - the in laws)

Elf gods

The basis for inter-racial cooperation

A possible arch mage title

Really deep lore

"I took care of it for you" interactions

A chance to find out more about what's going on in karag dum

A chance to peek at examples of golden age artifacts
 
Vebyast said:
I don't like the Markgraf option. Basically, each of these options represents a focus on a part of the quest that we've seen before, and I do not like the part of the quest that the Markgraf option would bring into focus. Remember how much difficulty we had with the Watch? And how people rage about the EIC eating up our actions? And how we spent so much time being angry at Borek? An entire quest of that would be pretty unpleasant. Additionally, it'd tie us down to our home base. We might be able to get one or two days off at a time, but we couldn't go off for weeks on a whim the way we can now. I think that Mathilde is strongest when she's hands-on with Weird Shit and traipsing off across the Old World to blow minds and I think that administrating a province wouldn't give us much time to do that. Mathilde is most interesting when she's working with other people, and I feel that Markgraf would almost necessarily involve us working against other people.

Conversely, I think that Loremaster-at-Large, Bodyguard, and Waystone Project would all be doing things that we all enjoy. Research is fun. Blowing minds is fun. Going out investigating Weird Shit is fun. Meeting powerful new people and having our minds blown is fun. Skulking around stealing shit is fun. That's what those options all offer, in varying degrees. That's why I'm voting for them and not for the Markgraf position.
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I'd like to note that "you all" is a bit misleading here. I, for one, always lowed the manage-shady-organisation aspect and was disinterested in the research and adventure. The thread has been for ages moving in directions I don't like - to the point where my engagement dropped to the level that I scarcly post or debate here anymore - and I once was among top 10 posters by the amount of posts. For me, becoming edgelord would be a return to something I actually enjoy - as opposed to something I am apathic about, but which I read anyway due to Boney's excellent skills. I suppose I am not the only one.
 
Kornet said:
I'd like to note that "you all" is a bit misleading here. I, for one, always lowed the manage-shady-organisation aspect and was disinterested in the research and adventure. The thread has been for ages moving in directions I don't like - to the point where my engagement dropped to the level that I scarcly post or debate here anymore - and I once was among top 10 posters by the amount of posts. For me, becoming edgelord would be a return to something I actually enjoy - as opposed to something I am apathic about, but which I read anyway due to Boney's excellent skills. I suppose I am not the only one.
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Managing shady organizations can be engaging, but I'm not sure if I'd call it fun engagement. I feel like the thread tends to get much saltier when arguing about people instead of situations and I'm not looking forward to "Side with advisor X vs. Side with advisor Y" votes.
 
Noxeng said:
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred

Approval voting is a funny thing.

I know it's been beaten to death already... but Markgraf voters should consider switching their vote. We can still play in Sylvania, just at the Emperor's behest rather than Roswita's.
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As someone who has been supporting the bodyguard since it was first mentioned, at this point where waystones is in the lead and only Markgraf has a good shot at stopping it...that argument just feels a tad disingenuous.
 
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