Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
To each his own, I guess. It's fun for me.
While I empathize, I'll be honest - the amount of skullduggery required to make anything happen in the Empire turns everything into a debacle. Dwarfs are just easier to work with for Mathilde in most of the ways that actually matter, and in my opinion it's resulted in her productivity skyrocketing once she escaped Stirland. Wizards are force multipliers that are themselves exponentially more effective when they have access to resources and subordinates who trust them; I'm sure it wouldn't be nearly as resource starved this time around relative to our stint as Spymaster, but it's still a tremendous step backwards in terms of the infrastructure we have easy access to.
I wouldn't hate Edgelord by any means, but I'm not keen to go from 'completely unique resource, perspective, and abilities' in the Karaz Ankor, to 'One Lord Magister among quite a few' in the Empire.
- Location
- USA
Boney cracks down on problematic behavior fairly quickly and will tell people to cool it when things get heated, I don't think that would be a major issue.
- Location
- US
- Pronouns
- He/Him
We know in our nonmagical reality that will-to-live has a scientifically verifiable affect on patient outcomes.
Considering WHF has very strong metaphysical underpinning, and the inimical nature of the world to Dwarven living (its so bad they consider being reincarnated as a Dwarf again to live in this realm a horrible fate), then it's not surprising at all that Dwarven lifespans have dropped. They have far less to live for today than they did in the Golden Age.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
And that's the exact point. I don't enjoy it while Mathilde has it easy. I much prefer a stressed and doubtfull Mathilde who doubleguesses those who surround her.
- Location
- Mexico
I very much doubt the elves would care where the people ended up as long as it was somewhere else.
Probably the biggest political fallout would be the fact that Middenland unilaterally relocated villages Nordland considered theirs.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Then why didn't the Ar-Ulric just move them, then? Why did the WW have to go rogue for that to happen?
Oh well in that case, I think my sales associate @Omegahugger might have some ideas that would interest you!
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
...Hugger, I think they are onto me. What to do?
Ahem. I have no idea what you are talking about.
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'd like to object to the objection of "not another nationbuilding quest." If you haven't noticed, most of this quest has been Mathilde acting subordinate to a leader who's been busy doing, you guessed it, nationbuilding. Ya'll better start believing in CK2 quests, cuz you're in one. (Always have been.)
There is no future I can invision where Mathilde will passively sit on her seat every turn with a fixed list of progression and naught but a single dice roll between her and certain success. Every action from Mathilde and other advisors has been more complicated, more involved, more characterized and realistic than almost any other CK2-like quest I've ever seen. It's an insult to BoneyM's writing that you think suddenly all the traits that make this quest unique will dissappear in a poof of smoke the second Mathilde ends up in a real leadership position.
There is no future I can invision where Mathilde will passively sit on her seat every turn with a fixed list of progression and naught but a single dice roll between her and certain success. Every action from Mathilde and other advisors has been more complicated, more involved, more characterized and realistic than almost any other CK2-like quest I've ever seen. It's an insult to BoneyM's writing that you think suddenly all the traits that make this quest unique will dissappear in a poof of smoke the second Mathilde ends up in a real leadership position.
Time and effort she'd be cutting in half by hiring us for the position.
If you assume the worst of players before it even happens, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. If Mathilde will have to decide her entire schedule and expectations of success, then maybe it's time for her to learn a bit more restraint.
- Location
- Mexico
I know as much as you do, but it's quite a jump to go straight to "the crazy elves wanted them all dead"
There probably was some fighting and they didn't feel comfortable with that, the villages did burn after all, but no bodies mean it was probably just a few dissenters.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Politics, basically. They were removing settlements made by another province. So the Ar-Ulric didn't really have the authority to tell them to move, that they would listen to.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
And it would have been more politically acceptable to kill them instead?
Because that seems to have been what the plan was before the WW went rogue.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Inter-province clashes happen. That's what the squabbling at the elector's meet was about. It is literally more politically acceptable to kill them all and pretend you have no idea what the other guy is talking about than to move them.
Obviously this wouldn't be the case if it had been more than "worthless peasants" but that is exactly what it was, so... yeah. It's literally less of a political inconvenience to kill them all than it is to openly kick them out. As one you do without ever raising a flag, the other you are claiming authority over the area, which their province is going to protest. Heavily.
Note: I am not claiming this is good. Just the way this world is. I am very glad the WWs rebelled... and so was the ar-ulric, even if we can't admit it.
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- Location
- Czech Republic
Lot of them were from Nordland if I remember right.
Al-Ulric was probably unable to move them without escalating the situation between Middleland and Nordland.
[x] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
- Location
- Spain
Yeah, in a few hours Markgraf or Loremaster will make its return and take the lead, and then in a few hours later it will lose the advantage by a handful of votes, rinse and repeat until Boney Closes the votes...
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Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
- Location
- In the fridge
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
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ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
Honestly, out of these top four, Bodyguard is by far my favorite. Varying adventures around the Empire, combined with high political maneuvers just sounds fun.
Problem is, it looks increasingly like only Markgraf can defeat Waystones, and Waystones is my least favorite out every option. Even Swamp Town would be better then Waystones. So it's looking like I have to bet on Markgraf, nothing else is close enough with how hard it is for any one option to gain an edge.
Problem is, it looks increasingly like only Markgraf can defeat Waystones, and Waystones is my least favorite out every option. Even Swamp Town would be better then Waystones. So it's looking like I have to bet on Markgraf, nothing else is close enough with how hard it is for any one option to gain an edge.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Heh, I just realized you can make a Boney's Wild Ride joke here.
The Ride Never Ends!
