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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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It seems that the polar warp gates weren't on the surface, but in space above the poles, so the warp rifts may be there to. If so the WInds may need to propagate through the near vacuum to reach the atmosphere.
Do 'space' and 'vacuum' even mean anything at the point of the broken gates themselves? The Aethyr and the Materium are one in that place. Reality does not start getting the upper hand until a long way south.
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That does not preclude the need for a medium e.g light traverses vacuums.
Hard to say. It's not as if anyone trustworthy has been there to check since Grimnir, and we don't know whether he reached it.
Speaking of Grimnir has anyone given a canonical reason why his presence at the Northern Gate is paramount yet the southern gate is fine with no god to hold the line?
That vote closed a while ago.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Not that I ever recall seeing.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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I don't know about a canonical reason, but I guess it's more geographically relevant to the dwarfs?
I mean the armies of Chaos can walk the long way if you take them at face value. Why don't they just entirely ignore Grimnir and go the other way?
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Slann. Not that the dwarves know that.
But also Grimnir isn't nearly as vital as the dwarves tell themselves. In truth they would probably have been better off with him having stayed with them.
The southern wastes don't have land access to any other continent.
I guess that might work, though one wonders why the literal spawn of hell with reality warping powers can't make boats, or I don't know floating islands propelled by the blood of innocents if boats are too prosaic.
I think you're misremembering how long things took.
If you remember the sequence of events, the Karak 8 Peaks waystones were cleansed when Belegar filled and put on his crown. That happened at around 5-6pm* on the day of the battle of the Caldera, with Birdmuncha arriving the next day at lunch time and it taking at least until the dawn of the day after for all the Greenskin holdouts to be rooted out.
Since Thorgimm's thoughts make it clear this is not the message which he responds to with "die well", that's around 30 hours before the gyrocarriage containing Belegar and his crown even thinks of taking off to speak to Thorgrimm, a journey of several hours.
Plenty of time for the magic to make the long trip through the dwarven waystone network even at a pace significantly slower through air generally. My guess is that the arrival of Belegar and crown serve as a final authentication, at which point the network goes "Yep, untainted energy, security authentication verified. Accepting energy transfer."
*Belegar arrived back at the end of the update which started at 5pm and put together his crown in the next update.
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If there was enough ambient magic in the world for them to pull that kind of malarkey, they could just manifest daemons wherever they wanted them. But because of the Great Vortex they have to deal with the same physics as everyone else, and there's not a lot of boat-building materials in the southern wastes.
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Not a Dog
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A lot of Chaos whys could fit into "cause it isnt fun bill".
Or just bad writing.
But more seriously we dont see daemons actually building much. Its all the mortal servants and without land it would require a band of cultist to sail all the way south rather than just walk north.
Or just blame the Slann. Its easy.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I don't think that should matter. The northern polar gate may technically be on the same landmass but you're still talking thousands and thousands of miles of land between them. The southern gate not being held by Grimnir should mean if there's any value of Grimnir doing such a thing that the forces of chaos spilled out of that gate unimpeded.
You'd still expect things like teleportation and such but I guess chaos isn't exactly keen on the idea of building infrastructure.
Ah so it goes like this:
Step 1: Seed Chaos forests, make sure the trees stay in place and do not wander off to eat the beastmen
Step 2: Teach beastmen to build boats
Step 3: ....
Step 4: Ah fuck it, that stunty ain't so hard.
Spoiler: He is that hard.
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Not a Dog
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- The Malleary
Ah so it goes like this:
Step 1: Seed Chaos forests, make sure the trees stay in place and do not wander off to eat the beastmen
Step 2: Teach beastmen to build boats
Step 3: ....
Step 4: Ah fuck it, that stunty ain't so hard.
Spoiler: He is that hard.
Woulndt be easier to teach the trees how to float?
It would skip somw steps
then they would just swim away.Woulndt be easier to teach the trees how to float?
It would skip somw steps
and while progress! to ending the world, as you now have swimming trees, doest get you any closer to getting off the big piece of ice
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Step 1.5: Teach beastmen to operate large-scale tree-felling programsAh so it goes like this:
Step 1: Seed Chaos forests, make sure the trees stay in place and do not wander off to eat the beastmen
Step 2: Teach beastmen to build boats
Step 3: ....
Step 4: Ah fuck it, that stunty ain't so hard.
Spoiler: He is that hard.
might also be difficultNow you've got me envisioning Slaanesh and Nurgle bouncing back and forth every so often between listening to Tzeentch going "Trying to get past Grimnir isn't working, I have a very clever boat idea" and Khorne going "Your dumbass boat idea isn't working, let's try fighting Grimnir again"
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Step 1.5: Teach beastmen to operate large-scale tree-felling programs
Being fair if there is one thing Beastmen can do it is tear stuff up on a massive scale.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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Boney's already addressed this but by geographically relevant I meant "can actually get to the dwarf lands and threaten them" which the southern gate doesn't fit with unless the Four decide penguin beastmem should be a thing.
They could promise some Norscans a bunch of blessings in exchange for transportation. Reaching Lustria with their boats isn't framed as some expectational feat, so the wastes should not be an absurd destination for them.
Chaos Dwarves should also see nothing wrong with a job like that as long the pay is appropriate.
Chaos Dwarves should also see nothing wrong with a job like that as long the pay is appropriate.
The Norscans would have to get past the Asur fleets and for that matter the Druchi who would be all too glad to enslave the lot of them.
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