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- Austria
Tree-felling requires then making boats on a massive scale, along with cutting trees in a somewhat specific way.
It's a bit more complex than tearing stuff up.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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It's a bit more complex than tearing stuff up.
That would be part of the 'building boats' problem.
Chlof
Her Ladyship
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And by the point chaos is involving humans it'd be easier for them to just summon demons directly rather than attempt to ferry them en mass from the southern wastes.
It is. Losteriksson became a legend for managing to slip past the High Elf sea patrols and return alive from Lustria, and lost a substantial amount of the fleet he lead back to found Skeggi.
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- Greece
I think Greenskinn, dragons and Slann would have a chance (not necessarilly a big chance) to not automatically lose even without the great vortex. Maaaaaaybe vampires and Nagash too (Dhar aligned but technically not chaos)
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I thought they have Grots for the second (and third) which should be more reliable than a Dwarf of all things, who in most cases would take every and any opportunity to rather die honorably than willingly serve a Greenskin.
Also, have the Dwarves ever paid a ransom to buy back a leader (Thane+) from Orcs? If yes that would be interesting to know and shake up my understanding of them.
No daemons with marine biology I guess. Lucky for us that the Prometheans didn't also fall too Chaos back in the day.
Dwarves aren't automatons with hardcoded morality. Individual Dwarves are entirely capable of things like not wanting to be horribly killed and eaten, and not wanting their loved ones to be horribly killed and eaten.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
Apart from the Undead, all of those were around during the war before the Vortex. All of them were losing, and only the Greenskins might have similar or better military might these days.
The Undead meanwhile might be able to win against Chaos. It depends if Chaos is fueled by the emotions of the people on the Warhammer World. If it is then Nagash's plan from the End Times would probably work and he'd win. Regular Vamps lose without him though.
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When I said that they have a chance, I meant they might survive long enough for a plan B (Slaann), leave the planet (dragons), or just be unique enough to survive even under apocalyptic circumstances due to their mode of existence (greenskin, vampires) not that they are strong enough to just win against chaos at its strongest.
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Im surprised you missed the 'yellow snow' joke.
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- newcastle australia
Is that what happened regarding the last sapphire in the crown?
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- Omniverse #1345
That was it blowing out the warpstone clog. Apparently the golden age dwarves managed to build warpstone-destroying mechanisms into their primary waystones, somehow.
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Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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Might have been from Realms of Sorcery, since that's where 2nd Edition put the lion's share of the detail on the Colleges themselves.
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- France
Nagash is so high-strung that his endless wrath at being thwarted would singlehandedly fuel the chaos Gods into defeating him
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I was thinking more of those in leadership positions. How can someone who served and labored for a Greenskin under the mere threat of, well, dying to a Greenskin, still lead a Clan, Guild or Throng without feeling that only Slayerdom (preferably against Greenskin) can restore his honor?
I guess imprisonment and ransom is easier. It's a simple numerical life debt and the freed person will of their own free will labor until the following two happen: 1) They have repayed every penny of what was paid to free them and b) they have ensured that as much money gets expropriated from the Orc Clan in question as they unduly forced the Dwarf's kin to pay.
Off the top of my head I don't know if I got it from a source or just because their entire aesthetic and philosophy is Hermeticist/Pythagorean/Neoplatonic, including their Nehekharan touches. That had to come from somewhere and it wasn't Teclis.
You're still doing it. Dwarves don't have a single universal mindset. There are Dwarves that are thieves and murderers and liars and cultists. What might cause overwhelming shame for one might be preferable to death for another. How do they not feel that way? By not holding beliefs that would lead them to feel that way.
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- Manchester, UK
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I think calling it a "mere" threat is definitely underplaying things here.
Would you look down on human slaves who work for their captors under the "mere" threat of death? Would you consider that to be shameful at all?
Dwarves may tend to magnify their shames compared to human, but you still need some sort of shame to begin with and "I worked for those I hated because they held my life in their hands" is rarely considered shameful unless the things you did for them were innately shameful (i.e. killing your own compatriots to save yourself=shameful. Making swords to save yourself=questionable. Growing corn to save yourself=fine).
I think, although I can't remember where, that I read that the Nehekharan bits came after the White College had been founded.
I think that there may also references to some of the Colleges being influenced by the non-magical backgrounds of their founders. If you recruit a bunch of academic philosophers because they have the right mindset to comprehend Hysh, then they'd bring that with them to their new institution even if they'd never cast a spell before.
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Been re-reading parts of the quest, and...
Oh.
Glances at the Wissenland position
Oh.
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Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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- Plato´s cave.
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Could someone tell me again why our King thinks that the waystones are thievery? Aren´t the winds actively harmfull to dwarfs? Wouldn´t that be a bit like "stealing" nuclear waste (as the position of High King is trustworthy enough to know he isn´t building the magical equivalent of dirty bombs to use against his own subjects)?
That position suddenly got a lot more interesting. I´ll hope it gets into the explore thingy. Propably not though, kinda far down the list.
That position suddenly got a lot more interesting. I´ll hope it gets into the explore thingy. Propably not though, kinda far down the list.
Because magic is a resource too, it powers enchantments and it powers runes. He has seen the Eye of Gazul, he knows what AV is and what you can buy with
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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- Plato´s cave.
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- She/Her/It/Its
Hmm yes I suppose that is solid reasoning, even if that makes it more like stealing excess plutonium. Valuable, but you don´t want it on the coffee table either.
But what is AV? Arcane Versimilitude?