I don't think we know enough to launch an expedition. Right now we have the barest of suspicions cased on 4000 year old records and one Druchi's personal effects. Unless we take the job there is little chance we will find out enough to do anything about it
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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I don't think we know enough to launch an expedition. Right now we have the barest of suspicions cased on 4000 year old records and one Druchi's personal effects. Unless we take the job there is little chance we will find out enough to do anything about it
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It's unpopular because BoneyM explicitly said that it's not useful to vote for it during this vote, due to there being nothing to really investigate before actually taking the Elfcation. I'm sure more people will vote for it once we actually choose a job.
The only option that can truly be concluded as unpopular based on the current vote count is Sylvanian Countess. And even there we might have a few people switching to it if the investigation into the Markgraf job makes them not like it in particular, but still has them wanting to go to Sylvania.
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
These are the 3 votable options I'm most interested in. I feel like we are done with the Dwarfs for now. Sure there is more we could do- opening a beachhead into the gromril mines, sending Skaven settlements into civil war, that sort of thing. But it doesn't really seem like much of an option. So it seems like the jobs mostly done.
The Waystone project has all sorts of potential applications- if we can set up an Elf/Human/Dwarf joint program to recreate them...
Imagine if we could turn human cities into Waystones just like the Dwarf Karaks. What could the Colleges do with that sort of accumilated power? We could recreate more in the 'new' Dwarf holds, giving the entire Karaz Ankor much more breathing room. The possiblities are endless.
Being the tutor, would also have us rubbing noses with the highest ranks of the Empire, but most importantly, we would basically be the Empress's agent. And there's all sort of potential there...
And I wanna fight a fat fucking lizard. No other reason, I just want Mathilde to fight a Slaan, and Swamp Town is just the ticket. I want the Damn Dino's to freeze while hissing 'clever girl', just before we attack.
[-] Nagarythe
[-] Research Sabbatical
And these two are the next that interest me.
If we can recreate the binding, work out how to attract our lovely little mirror friends... Well. A mirror box for every damn Dwarf Hold, and one for every College sounds like a nice little Christmas present.
As for Ulthuan, I REALLY want to push our sneaky combat skills to the limit. If we excel, we may even open up paths to other kingdoms. And that means either Dragon interviews or Tower visits, depending on how much we Mathilde it.
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
These are the 3 votable options I'm most interested in. I feel like we are done with the Dwarfs for now. Sure there is more we could do- opening a beachhead into the gromril mines, sending Skaven settlements into civil war, that sort of thing. But it doesn't really seem like much of an option. So it seems like the jobs mostly done.
The Waystone project has all sorts of potential applications- if we can set up an Elf/Human/Dwarf joint program to recreate them...
Imagine if we could turn human cities into Waystones just like the Dwarf Karaks. What could the Colleges do with that sort of accumilated power? We could recreate more in the 'new' Dwarf holds, giving the entire Karaz Ankor much more breathing room. The possiblities are endless.
Being the tutor, would also have us rubbing noses with the highest ranks of the Empire, but most importantly, we would basically be the Empress's agent. And there's all sort of potential there...
And I wanna fight a fat fucking lizard. No other reason, I just want Mathilde to fight a Slaan, and Swamp Town is just the ticket. I want the Damn Dino's to freeze while hissing 'clever girl', just before we attack.
[-] Nagarythe
[-] Research Sabbatical
And these two are the next that interest me.
If we can recreate the binding, work out how to attract our lovely little mirror friends... Well. A mirror box for every damn Dwarf Hold, and one for every College sounds like a nice little Christmas present.
As for Ulthuan, I REALLY want to push our sneaky combat skills to the limit. If we excel, we may even open up paths to other kingdoms. And that means either Dragon interviews or Tower visits, depending on how much we Mathilde it.
I think countess is unpopular since the draw of it over Markgraf is mostly its hereditary nature and the quest has grown such that is is really Mathy's quest not that of her lineage. Just like it would be odd of suddenly be playing Gotri quest I would imagine many people here would feel rather let down at playing Baby Weber who does not even exist even as a project, or some kid we adopt and take on as an apprentice. It just does not work IMO hence why countess is not in the cards.
That said with almost 400 votes in you can definitely see patterns even in votes that do have adepts.
Waystones has comfortably more than half the vote, tutor has about that and then you trickle down to High Priest at about a quarter of the vote. That is quite the drop off.
That said with almost 400 votes in you can definitely see patterns even in votes that do have adepts.
Waystones has comfortably more than half the vote, tutor has about that and then you trickle down to High Priest at about a quarter of the vote. That is quite the drop off.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
Was it ever about her lineage? My understanding was that the quest would end at her death, with or without an heir.
Way back in the beginning we could have changed over to another councilor and in a standard Dynasty quest you play the dynasty. If we become Border Prince that would technically make us a dynast and so would countess.
Best in mind, every scene boney writes is taking time away from everything else. So the more they have to write about things that don't interest you, the less of what you do like gets written.
Eh we are a dwarf, even if we lose the land our descendants to the thousandth generation will try to reclaim it and call themselves prince.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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The average one doesn't, no. But ones that survive all the way to gen 4 aren't unheard of.
It really seems like you want to do a bunch of stuff we don't have a great chance of pulling off just yet. Like fighting a slann would be totally awesome, but we are as of yet simply incapable of winning that fight, but that doesn't mean we will stay that way. Ulgu ascension is something it's possible for us to do, and something like that should definitely help to pull off a win against the slann. Similarly elfcation is unlikely to be a place where we would have a great showing, since we would be working with masters of stealth combat and as yet we are still in the expert stage at best.
So generally what I'm saying is, I like the way you think, but I'm pretty sure we need to build up awhile yet before we can really pull off the kinds of scenes you'd like to see.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
People keep saying this and I can't help but feel like there's miscommunication going on here. Ulgu ascension in a similar form to what Gold wizards do to transform themselves doesn't exist for Ulgu, that's a set of rituals that the gold order have created that has no equivalence with other forms of magic. BoneyM has alluded to us becoming more Ulgu over time but that's literally from arcane marks rather than a ritual.
So if people want to go down this route we need to take that college class about ritual magic which we've been ducking.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Huh. Maybe I didn't think of that because to me literally everything BoneyM writes is interesting.
I mean, sure, some things seem even more interesting than others, but otherwise my votes are mostly for IC reasons, for player character survival reasons, for personal projection reasons (i.e. what would I do if I were in her place) or to make sure the characters I like get enough screen time. And of course, like with Karak Dum, an urge towards completionism and fantasy anthropology.
But in general, if we have the option to explore things more, then I'll try and do the equivalent of what I'd to in a video game: Talk to every single NPC and read every single text I can find. Repeat the NPC talking if they might get new lines after a quest completion. Literally stand around to see if there are any more idle lines. Scour through fan wikis to find the dialogues I missed. Replay the cutscenes to read the scrolling news articles in the background.
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To be fair, Gilding does look a lot like someone has taken some of the Chamon Arcane Marks and worked out how to induce them deliberately in a controlled way such that it doesn't have the usual downsides and instead manages to make them upsides. They used ritual magic for that, but I can imagine there being other methods that would leverage other magical disciplines, such as enchantment or potion making, or apparition binding that gets to comparable end points.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Just for fun, here is the current vote tally displayed in percentage of voters:
Disclaimer: The QM is not, and should not be, obliged to place the cutoff in such a way that two options that are very close to each other either both make it or both get cut off. Even if I personally am hoping for a top 9, the above table is purely there to let people see the numbers in another context.
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I didn't want to include the [-] marked options at first, because they are distorted and non-representative, but if anyone is both curious and lazy at the same time, here are the percentages:
| The Waystone Project | 69.25% | Empty space. Lots of empty space. I have no idea how else to move the second column. Please help. |
Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred | 48.13% | |
Markgraf of Eastern Stirland | 42.78% | |
Border Princess of the Howling River | 39.57% | |
Governor-General of Swamp Town + Swamp Town (sic) | 37.17% | |
Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks | 33.96% | |
Spymaster of Wissenland | 32.89% | |
Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev | 29.14% | |
Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor | 28.07% | |
Count of Sylvania | 11.76% |
Options marked by the QM with a [-] were omitted.
Disclaimer: The QM is not, and should not be, obliged to place the cutoff in such a way that two options that are very close to each other either both make it or both get cut off. Even if I personally am hoping for a top 9, the above table is purely there to let people see the numbers in another context.
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I didn't want to include the [-] marked options at first, because they are distorted and non-representative, but if anyone is both curious and lazy at the same time, here are the percentages:
- Nagarythe*: 8.02%
- Research Sabbatical: 5.88%
- Sinecure: 1.34%
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I'm surprised that bodyguard is so high (a lot of people seemed dismissive of it in the discussion), but I suppose it's also a pseudo-Heidi social.
I'm also surprised (and a little disappointed) just how low High Priest and Spymaster are.
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- Germany
Another example is Cython.
Not that he needs it for age-related reasons, but his body is so filled with Hysh that he seems to be made of crystal or ice and lots of light.
That's as far beyond regular Arcane Marks as Gilding is.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
It isn't that low. One third of the voter base is voting for Spymaster. And that takes into account single option voters and lurkers who vote but don't comment as to why,
I'm just interested in getting info on it. I very much doubt I'll actually pick it.
That's true, I suppose I should be looking at the numbers and not the position on the list.
-Bodyguard - Some consider it basically getting to play in Imperial High Politics, some consider it a light-duty vacation where we can train an apprentice without getting them killed by being stupidly heroic, some think its code for Heidi's secret agent.
-High Priest - Some opposition due to not wanting to become a priest, or concerns about the practicalities of high priesting for Ranald.
-Spymaster - We already did this gig before, and while this is a different province with different focuses, its close enough that some don't want a redo.
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- Outside the Box
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- She/Her
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
I've given up catching up to the thread this time, but I'm really disappointed to see this option fall so far behind in the vote tally. I think it would be fascinating to find out what the leadership of Mathilde's cult is like, as much as Ranald would even have formal leadership. (And I suspect High Priest is more of a temporary position than anything permanent.) Not to mention how meaningful this would be for Mathilde - Ranald is her oldest friend but a friend she seldom receives much communication from, and this is as close to a direct request as she's ever gotten.
I know a lot of people are voting for investigating Swamp Town not because they expect to ever vote for, the option but because they're just curious about why we got the offer and about Boney's worldbuilding take on the place. Thing is, I'd expect that investigating the Ranaldian offer would be twice as intriguing to Mathilde herself. She's existed largely outside anything formal on her own, so... is there a formal leadership structure to the Cult of Ranald? Who's the current High Priest, if any? Is Heidi just one of an inner circle that we could get a peek at? What powers and responsibilities does the High Priest have outside the Kislev mission? (Especially when Mathilde won't be able to call up any divine powers like a normal High Priest would.) Heck, does a High Priest of Ranald even exist or is it a role picked by lot once every five years for someone to troll the Grand Conclave?
There's other things, like the chance to investigate divine magic and godly shenanagins, or how we've only really seen the outskirts of Kislev. But the important bit here is that, for all that Mathilde has 26 Piety and knows the inner workings of several religious orders, there's a big blindspot when it comes to the cult she is ostensibly part of. Even if she never intends to take on the job, I think it'd be very much worth filling that gap in. It can't just be Heidi, right? Right? Oh no.
I've given up catching up to the thread this time, but I'm really disappointed to see this option fall so far behind in the vote tally. I think it would be fascinating to find out what the leadership of Mathilde's cult is like, as much as Ranald would even have formal leadership. (And I suspect High Priest is more of a temporary position than anything permanent.) Not to mention how meaningful this would be for Mathilde - Ranald is her oldest friend but a friend she seldom receives much communication from, and this is as close to a direct request as she's ever gotten.
I know a lot of people are voting for investigating Swamp Town not because they expect to ever vote for, the option but because they're just curious about why we got the offer and about Boney's worldbuilding take on the place. Thing is, I'd expect that investigating the Ranaldian offer would be twice as intriguing to Mathilde herself. She's existed largely outside anything formal on her own, so... is there a formal leadership structure to the Cult of Ranald? Who's the current High Priest, if any? Is Heidi just one of an inner circle that we could get a peek at? What powers and responsibilities does the High Priest have outside the Kislev mission? (Especially when Mathilde won't be able to call up any divine powers like a normal High Priest would.) Heck, does a High Priest of Ranald even exist or is it a role picked by lot once every five years for someone to troll the Grand Conclave?
There's other things, like the chance to investigate divine magic and godly shenanagins, or how we've only really seen the outskirts of Kislev. But the important bit here is that, for all that Mathilde has 26 Piety and knows the inner workings of several religious orders, there's a big blindspot when it comes to the cult she is ostensibly part of. Even if she never intends to take on the job, I think it'd be very much worth filling that gap in. It can't just be Heidi, right? Right? Oh no.
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Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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Not to mention the (physical) distance it would create between Mathilde's workplace and Panoramia.
I was surprised about how low High Priest was, but after thinking about it, not so much.
I think its really popular with a certain percentage of voters, who want certain things from the story, but don't have a lot of reach past that group.
e.g you really like it, or you're ambivalent to hate it.
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