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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Fayhem said:
This is very cool, except that "joined with Rhya" is either a very, very generous interpretation of "was corrupted and disappeared into the earth" or is very insulting to Rhya since it can be taken as insinuating that Rhya is an entity of corruption.
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Except that dragon is very much alive and in Athel Loren...
 
picklepikkl said:
My interpretation was that they brought the world closer to the sun. Deathfang also said that the length of the year used to be different; altering the planet's orbit explains both statements.
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Thats what the First Generation Slann were explicitly made for. To alter the orbit. Each subsequent spawning was made to fix lesser and lesser problems, hence the difference in power.

EDIT: Turns out it was actually second spawning that was there to alter the orbit. Which begs a question of what the fuck the first was needed for.
 
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pucflek said:
Thats what the First Generation Slann were explicitly made for. To alter the orbit. Each subsequent spawning was made to fix lesser and lesser problems, hence the difference in power.

EDIT: Turns out it was actually second spawning that was there to alter the orbit. Which begs a question of what the fuck the first was needed for.
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I actually think the difference between the Slann generations is just thousands of years of experience. The difference between 1st spawning and the 5th are 8000 years more tuition from the old ones.
 
If nothing else we can create a paper on dragon mythology based on interviews with draconic subjects. Hell we could ask our ice dragon buddy back home and compare and contrast.
 
Guile said:
"All of it, obviously" -- Deathfang

Mathilde, Miss 'I'm not a priest, I just sometimes channel the power of my God to battle Khornate champions': "Joerg seems pretty sus, tbh"
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And sometimes Mork as well, wouldn't want to play favourites.

NavySeel said:
If they were their lizardman servants wouldn't be stuck trying to decipher what to do now from ancient plaques.

They're either all dead or they fled.
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Or they could be sleeping somewhere. The slann do so all the time as well, and in some editions Sotek explicitely had to be awakened with mass sacrifice.

inirlan said:
*Pickle jar is closed too tight*
Omegahugger : How about necromancy?
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Dhar is a cheap and easy way to tremendous power, only a fool wouldn't use it to open jars!
 
veekie said:
The issue is laid out, the areas where a heavily armored vehicle can traverse hostile terrain without superior alternatives are very scarce.
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Again, your error is treating it as a transport.

A steamwagon will let you get a battery of cannons from your city to an enemy city in a small fraction of the time that conventional wagons or gun carriages could. And then let the cannons fire from an armoured bunker rather than an open field.
They are tanks, not trucks.

While it is undoubtedly true that any given enemy has the potential to deal with something like a steamwagon then same can be said for everything else. Warriors, Rangers, Slayers, cannons, etc all have their weaknesses and counters.
Whether adding landships to your order of battle is worth the cost is an entirely different calculation than whether they should be used for carrying stuff between allied destinations.
 
Mopman43 said:
From the previous section.
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RIP my short-term memory, you're completely right. That's my mistake then. I guess it's a Deathfang value of "corrupted" so... it sounds like Radixashen found religion and he's whatever you call an emperor dragon of the Lore of Rhya? Who apparently lives in Athel Loren now. Not sure if I'm reading that right but that's p dope tbh if so.
 
...Welp, that just happened. And I have now shifted my priorities for the Elf trip from getting in good enough to hopefully visit Saphery, to getting in good enough to visit Caledor. I want to talk to more dragons.
 
Angelform said:
Again, your error is treating it as a transport.

A steamwagon will let you get a battery of cannons from your city to an enemy city in a small fraction of the time that conventional wagons or gun carriages could. And then let the cannons fire from an armoured bunker rather than an open field.
They are tanks, not trucks.

While it is undoubtedly true that any given enemy has the potential to deal with something like a steamwagon then same can be said for everything else. Warriors, Rangers, Slayers, cannons, etc all have their weaknesses and counters.
Whether adding landships to your order of battle is worth the cost is an entirely different calculation than whether they should be used for carrying stuff between allied destinations.
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The steam wagons can get there, but they can't drag the entire rest of the order of battle needed for such an operation with them at the same speed. It doesn't matter how fast they can move their own cannons when they can only move as fast as the other wagons or infantry coming with them.

Unless you're suggesting only taking what they can carry, which is not worth the tradeoff.

They just aren't worth as much as a river monitor.
 
Green Baron said:
Who does Mathildas current home belong too, herself personally or the Loremaster of Eightpeaks?
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It's her property personally. So is the Temple of Ranald. We secured them during the K8P expeditionary epilogues:
BoneyM said:
Those few manlings allowed to live in Dwarfholds are typically given 'only' a lifetime lease, and for you to have an actual permanent claim to what you've decided upon takes a lot of carefully-worded documents that basically say 'no really, we mean it, forever'.
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BoneyM said:
Another cycle of Dwarven paperwork has made you almost gleeful to escape the Karak, and as your transport makes its way over mountains you look forlornly down at your still-aching hand. Your permanent ownership of the location required one set of papers, and that it was to be a religious site was another set of papers, and that it might be a site where alcohol was to be drunk was an equally formidable set, the Dwarves taking drinking almost as seriously as religion. That the site could be both a Shrine and a Tavern was not a problem, as apparently Temples to Valaya in her aspect as the Ancestor Goddess of Brewing were quite similar.
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And then after we'd done all of the above, we voted to accept this job:
BoneyM said:
Court Wizard, Magic Focus
You will be the first responder when anything inexplicable, unexpected or eldritch happens. Though this is the Learning 'slot', this is an active warzone, not an established industrial center climbing the tech tree. This will be a role focused on responding to and finding solutions for problems nobody else understands. Other candidates for the role are Prince Gotri, Engineer, and Kraggi Senior, Runesmith.
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picklepikkl said:
It's her property personally. So is the Temple of Ranald. We secured them during the K8P expeditionary epilogues:
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Though I have been a little unclear how that interacts with the Sword of Gazul, which is definitely not her property. Is it possible to access the Sword without going through Mathilde's personally owned space? I don't have a good visualization inside my head.
 
DragonParadox said:
The skillset to maintain a nuclear reactor is not quite the same as cleaning up a breach.
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True enough, i suppose.

I am not entirely content where this is going tbh thought. I always disliked the space connections the fantasy warhammer had, and this is one of them. I won't be much digging into this, because i personally don't like that part of the setting.
 
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Briefvoice said:
Though I have been a little unclear how that interacts with the Sword of Gazul, which is definitely not her property. Is it possible to access the Sword without going through Mathilde's personally owned space? I don't have a good visualization inside my head.
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Whether it's Mathilde's property is actually specifically legally unclear:
Redshirt Army said:
Do we own the superweapon, actually?

Our penthouse, and all of the other towers built up, sure, they're on land officially ceded to us. But the Eye of Gazul has some pretty major components that go throughout the whole length of the mountain, which we decidedly don't own, before even considering the potential Cult/Runic secret angle.

I could see a joint ownership thing going on with it, but it's almost certainly not actually just ours.
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BoneyM said:
Depends which precedents have precedence. If you go by the Great Works of the Ancestor Gods, it belongs to Mathilde until she dies or ascends, then it belongs to the Karak. If you go by the Anvils of Doom, it belongs to her Guild (the College) after she passes on. If you go by the ships of Barak Varr, then it already belongs to the Karak, with Mathilde having the inheritable right to claim the position of Captain over it. So far, Belegar seems content to let the matter sit in limbo instead of nailing it down in stone.
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I believe the way that Dwarves would access the Eye of Gazul without going through her home is "via gyrocopter."
 
Fayhem said:
This is very cool, except that "joined with Rhya" is either a very, very generous interpretation of "was corrupted and disappeared into the earth" or is very insulting to Rhya since it can be taken as insinuating that Rhya is an entity of corruption.
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Between Cython and Deathfang, we've got a pretty good spread of opinion on just how a dragon binding themselves to a God is going to be seen by other Dragons. Cython was pretty explicit why they considered binding to a Wind superior to a God, and Deathfang isn't about to approve of doing either.

Either way, yeah, very insulting to Rhya.
 
picklepikkl said:
I believe the way that Dwarves would access the Eye of Gazul without going through her home is "via gyrocopter."
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I notice you call it the "Eye of Gazul" here, and there seems to be some disagreement about that. I know BoneyM and the thread have called it the "Eye of Gazul" frequently, but he referred to it as the Sword of Gazul in a post as recently as Tuesday. Personally I think "Sword" should be the correct terminology.

1. As a tower, it's closer to sword-shaped than it is eye-shaped.
2. Gazul is famously associated with a Greatsword, unlike every other ancestor.
3. You use swords to kill people, which the tower does.
 
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