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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Briefvoice said:
I notice you call it the "Eye of Gazul" here, and there seems to be some disagreement about that. I know BoneyM and the thread have called it the "Eye of Gazul" frequently, but he referred to it as the Sword of Gazul in a post as recently as Tuesday. Personally I think "Sword" should be the correct terminology.

1. As a tower, it's closer to sword-shaped than it is eye-shaped.
2. Gazul is famously associated with a Greatsword, unlike every other ancestor.
3. You use swords to kill people, which the tower does.
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I also preferred the Sword of Gazul terminology and was calling it that back in November '19 when we first got it, but Eye is the official name listed on our character sheet:
BoneyM said:
Eye of Gazul: Burns enemies under Karag Nar's shadow with the anti-fire of the Dwarven underworld. Can be operated by a Grey Wizard, or by anyone else using a console with preprogrammed target signatures.
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I assume Boney did this because the Sword of Gazul is already a specific item within Warhammer Fantasy lore (Zharrvengryn) and probably the dwarves would get touchy about naming a thing after it?
 
BoneyM said:
If not by now, then at least by next spring, every force east of Karak Vlag would have heard about steam-wagons and will have decided on the best way to assault them if they ever have the chance. I don't think our relative success here can be replicated."
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Nomad cultures tend to have fairly short memories. I suspect that they will forget within a century and considering the dwarfs are averaging one expedition into the chaos land per two centuries the tactic might work again then.
 
Briefvoice said:
I notice you call it the "Eye of Gazul" here, and there seems to be some disagreement about that. I know BoneyM and the thread have called it the "Eye of Gazul" frequently, but he referred to it as the Sword of Gazul in a post as recently as Tuesday. Personally I think "Sword" should be the correct terminology.

1. As a tower, it's closer to sword-shaped than it is eye-shaped.
2. Gazul is famously associated with a Greatsword, unlike every other ancestor.
3. You use swords to kill people, which the tower does.
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The Grey Order's symbol is also a sword.
 
I guess we write it down and add it as an extra page to Liber Mortis. Instant Legitimacy if found!

Maybe we can publish a "Children stories around the world" or something.

Deathfang just doused the cat with catnip. The cat torkles off.
 
picklepikkl said:
Whether it's Mathilde's property is actually specifically legally unclear:


I believe the way that Dwarves would access the Eye of Gazul without going through her home is "via gyrocopter."
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I do have a few more things BoneyM said about that :D
Rafin said:
And on the same note, how does inheritance work when it comes to our penthouse (or was it the Ranald tavern) that iirc was actually given to us instead of the long term leasing that Dwarves usually do when it comes to outsiders?
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BoneyM said:
It's up to Mathilde. When (if?) she dies, I'll allow the thread to retroactively write her will.
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Rafin said:
So Belegar and heirs are okay with the idea that the main access point to the Eye of Gazul could suddenly belong to some Umgi they never met before? Or permanently become part of a foreign national institution? I mean sure, it can't actually be used against Dwarves, but it still seems like a worrisome idea.
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BoneyM said:
Belegar has faith in Mathilde being sensible. However if she did pass it on to some shmuck who decides it's a Dwarf-free zone, they're unlikely to shrug and go along with that.
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So, tinfoil hat time; what are the chances Deathfang is Abraxas (in exile) or Kalgalanos (disappeared) or at least directly descended (child/grandchild) of one of the 5? Because this lore he dropped seems old. Also if it turns out the people in the space ships were the Mechanicus/DAOT Humans or Tau I will laugh.
 
So old school dragons have their names about celestial bodies for literal reasons, huh?

Also, I feel like this merits an I, Robot style meme on old school dragons vs wind aligned dragons.

Deathfang: "Can the Winds give you a taste of the stars? Can you ever experience freedom from this doomed word?"
Cython: "Can you?"
 
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tapkomet said:
we haven't heard of any of the Chaos champions from 40k, which you'd think would swing by at some point, and the Chaos gods aren't as powerful in Fantasy, seeing as how Order gods are able to exist. Plus, you know, being in 40k renders Fantasy narratively unimportant.
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storryeater said:
Maybe the reason chaos is so strong elsewhere is because they are the only gods, with orcs being the only faction capable of truly resisting them without killing their emotions and/or slowly losing ground not because they warp reality, but because they have gods. What if the existence of gods changes the metaphorical weight of things, which is more important for chaos than the real weight?
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Deathfang comments that Chaos only cares about Mallus because it's "a place" they don't have total influence, and they would quickly forget about it if they won.. If spreading attention lowers a God's power, then how distracting is an entire galaxy's worth of attention? You can make the argument that 40k's universe is so broad and so teeming, that there is almost nothing that would be out of place in it.
 
Huh. Random thought, but I wonder if we can ask the Supreme Patriarch about this dragon Lore. If any other human knew, it would be him.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Deathfang: "Can the Winds give you a taste of the stars? Can you ever experience freedom from this doomed word?"
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Cython: "Indeed they can."
Deathfang: "What do you mean?"
Cython, closing in: "Well, you're a dragon of the stars, are you not? I could get a taste of you right here~"
Deathfang: "But we we're of two different factions, what would our mortals think?"
Cython: "Oho? And since when do you consider the opinions of the lower folks?"
Deathfang: "Oh Cython..."

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Mathilde, writing: "And then they kissed."
 
So there was no vote at the end of this update because now the Expedition is over. But soon... big vote.

Another shape the destiny of the quest moment. I wonder how much BoneyM will pack in at once. Potential trait choices, spend the Boon, spend the Great Deeds, decide what job Mathilde will have in the future.... do you spread it out or rip the bandaid off with one post?

And if people have more Boon ideas, now is about the last possible time to get them out there.
 
The major boon ideas i can remember from the top of my head.

Library: The big one, the most popular one as far as i can tell, and also the reason why many chose to delay because nobody had a better idea iwth a change to win.
Dreadnaught: Big, expensive, impressive, not very useful.
Ironclad: All of the above, except less so.
Research Institute: Good contender for the library, but also can be done without the boon.
Library + Research Institute: People never settle for anything, both alone are good ideas but trying for both just dilutes them both.
 
BoneyM said:
You can see why Egrimm would have brought them along, and find yourself hoping that he's able to retain them for whatever his next adventure is.
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Wait...I though Egrimm didn't bring them along, they were coming on their own and he just sort of took command by dint of superior qualifications.

BoneyM said:
"Are they here with you?"

"I'm happy to take them under my wing and we can accomplish more together than we can apart, but their purposes here is their Journeying, rather than obligation to their College."
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Okay, he's technically being vague, but that vagueness leans in the direction of him NOT being the one to bring them here.


I'm not sure what to attribute to IC obfuscation (or memory editing) vs OOC miscommunication (or forgetfulness).

BurnNote said:
Specifically, what's up with this? My best guess is "Trying to figure out the true nature of Rhya/the Earth Mother is dumb and and will get you killed in a stupid way", or maybe "The way they're trying to figure it out is dumb".
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I had an interpretation which I thought was obvious, but seeing all the other ideas people have, I think I'm going to limit it to "answering that question will not be as useful as you think it will be."
 
Valmond said:
The major boon ideas i can remember from the top of my head.

Library: The big one, the most popular one as far as i can tell, and also the reason why many chose to delay because nobody had a better idea iwth a change to win.
Dreadnaught: Big, expensive, impressive, not very useful.
Ironclad: All of the above, except less so.
Research Institute: Good contender for the library, but also can be done without the boon.
Library + Research Institute: People never settle for anything, both alone are good ideas but trying for both just dilutes them both.
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There was also making the chief wizard or whatever position a permanent thing. That's something we could do.

I'm not sure that making a research institute with boon backing is something we could just do on our own anyways, though. Even getting a branch college set up would have taken a shitload of college favor AND the "great deed" being expended at once, so that's at minimum the sort of return I'd expect on using a great boon for it.
 
Could the library be done with a Great Deed?

We know why a Boon Research Institute is better than a Great Deed Research Institute, but is there anything categorical that a Boon Library can do that a Great Deed one can't.

Indeed, I can see somethings, like getting books from the elves, would be much easier for an Imperial institution than a dwarven one, even an imperial institution located in a dwarf hold. An imperial institution might also have more contacts with other human sources of books that we can't easily replicate.
 
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Prime 2.0 said:
There was also making the chief wizard or whatever position a permanent thing. That's something we could do.

I'm not sure that making a research institute with boon backing is something we could just do on our own anyways, though. Even getting a branch college set up would have taken a shitload of college favor AND the "great deed" being expended at once, so that's at minimum the sort of return I'd expect on using a great boon for it.
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I doubt we need the boon to make chief wizard position permanent.
And research institute, once established, is going to be fine without boon because the major issue is getting wizards to come to K8P, which Belegar can't make happen.

Alratan said:
Could the library be done with a Great Deed?
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Not at the scale the boon does, the whole point of making it a dwarven library that is the duty of the king of K8P to keep working on is that it would be more permanent than anything done under empire authority.
The idea of the boon is to make a library, and then nail it down as a duty of K8P to upkeep and grow the library over time.
It would start huge, and just get bigger from there.
 
Alratan said:
Could the library be done with a Great Deed?

We know why a Boon Research Institute is better than a Great Deed Research Institute, but is there anything categorical that a Boon Library can do that a Great Deed one can't.

Indeed, I can see somethings, like getting books from the elves, would be much easier for an Imperial institution than a dwarven one, even an imperial institution located in a dwarf hold. An imperial institution might also have more contacts with other human sources of books that we can't easily replicate.
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Dwarves are better at this sort of project, and the whole point is for it to be a bastion of knowledge that survives the next Dieter etc.
 
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