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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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The way I see it, a way to make pimp-my-ride and necromancy lovers happy is made possible by the dark elves.

Step 1) Get onboard a Black Arc.
Step 2) Stay long enough for Mathilde to get into a proper dark headspace.
Step 3) Take over the arc with endless horde of undead.

These seamen are not undead, they are pirates. *shanties away*

Ok, back to serious face.

How about Mathilde using a bit of favor to get some dwarves to staff a (new or old) library in Altdorf?
ie. giving the wizarding population of the empire some interaction time with the dwarves/ the dwarfen mindset. e.g. learning to avoid grudges via late books.

Or using Favor to build a museum in Altdorf for War of the Beard era elf junk.
 
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dpara said:
The way I see it a way to make pimp-my-ride and necromancy lovers happy, is made possible by the dark elves.

Step 1) Get onboard a Black Arc.
Step 2) Stay long enough for Mathilde to get into a proper dark headspace.
Step 3) Take over the arc with endless horde o.

These seamen are not undead, they are pirates. *shanties away*

Ok, back to serious face.

How about Mathilde using a bit of favor to get some dwarves to staff a (new or old) library in Altdorf?
ie. giving the wizarding population of the empire some interaction time with the dwarves/ the dwarfen mindset. e.g. learning to avoid grudges via late books.

Or using Favor to build a museum in Altdorf for War of the Beard era elf junk.
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Who says we need a horde of undead? Mathilde's crafty and clever enough to steal a black ark without resorting to necromancy. As I recall, black arks usually have a whole load of slaves aboard... combine that with our general ability to murder all the important people and you're good.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Kragg is kind of an asshole sure he's our asshole in some ways, but he's not going to make lasting and enduring change to the Karaz-ankor that isn't through his direct actions, he will leave no apprentices, his knowledge will die with him. Thorek may potentially never reach the heights of the runic art that Kragg has although that's very arguable as a willingness to coloborate means he could achieve more with the right parners but in the future there will be a runic art, if runesmiths were all Kraggs the art would die out categorically.

Thorek is in many ways a person with more foresight and will ensure that the Karaz-ankor actually has rune smiths.
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It's a terrible thing when you could consider "Make Kragg take at least 5 apprentices" as your Dalaz Kron. Not that it'd work that way, mind you.
 
BoneyM said:
It's up to Mathilde. When (if?) she dies, I'll allow the thread to retroactively write her will.
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If I remember what you said previous, she's already due a small appendix in Dwarf history basically titled 'what that wizard did' and is part of the three big names in the telling of the retaking of K8P. If she keeled over right now, would Belegar memorialise her further or would her place in the history be counted as 'enough' in their culture?
 
Question, @BoneyM would runesmiths, in Mathilde's professional opinion, get general usage out of something like the Seviroscope, or would it be a unique solution to Bok and not much else?
 
BoneyM said:
And Thorek is often described as the greatest Runelord of the Karak Ankor because he's much more active and visible than Kragg, despite being less than half Kragg's age. That'd stick in his craw
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Wasn't Thorek cut off until recently? Did he spam his accomplishments per air mail or something? Or did he go on tour?
BoneyM said:
It's up to Mathilde. When (if?) she dies, I'll allow the thread to retroactively write her will.
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So Belegar and heirs are okay with the idea that the main access point to the Eye of Gazul could suddenly belong to some Umgi they never met before? Or permanently become part of a foreign national institution? I mean sure, it can't actually be used against Dwarves, but it still seems like a worrisome idea.
 
Rafin said:
Wasn't Thorek cut off until recently? Did he spam his accomplishments per air mail or something? Or did he go on tour?
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Yeah, Karaz-a-Karak kept lines of communications intact via gyrocopter and the occasional expedition through the Dark Lands. The stalwart defence of the final remaining southern Hold was a source of pride for many Dwarves.

Rafin said:
So Belegar and heirs are okay with the idea that the main access point to the Eye of Gazul could suddenly belong to some Umgi they never met before? Or permanently become part of a foreign national institution? I mean sure, it can't actually be used against Dwarves, but it still seems like a worrisome idea.
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Belegar has faith in Mathilde being sensible. However if she did pass it on to some shmuck who decides it's a Dwarf-free zone, they're unlikely to shrug and go along with that.
 
BoneyM said:
Wizards don't know exactly how Runesmiths see the world and vice versa, so it's impossible to say one way or another whether the different perspective would be useful.
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We should ask Thorek in the next social.

Rafin said:
Wasn't Thorek cut off until recently? Did he spam his accomplishments per air mail or something? Or did he go on tour?
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In the last update, boney said that he travels around Karaz ankor, so 'tour' is not far fetched. Being ~800 years old, he would get a lot of deference already... in dwarf parlance older is better. If he's 800 years old, he's better than a 400 year old. And he'd be called the best runelord because Kragg is like a massive star, several hundred light years away. Thorek is the sun. Still a star, still far away... but much more visible. It's a small star, compared to a blue giant... but much more relevant.


Dark as Silver said:
Wouldn't that be super awkard though? I thought Dwarves already made their statues floor to ceiling, would that mean we only get a statue of Mathildes legs?
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Mathilde is a shortie... they could expand the roof a little and it would fit.
 
BoneyM said:
Yeah, Karaz-a-Karak kept lines of communications intact via gyrocopter and the occasional expedition through the Dark Lands. The stalwart defence of the final remaining southern Hold was a source of pride for many Dwarves.
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"It took longer to purge the bloody Haunted Hills than it took to reclaim this place. Why didn't they do something about it?" Mathilde, grumbling to herself after hearing about this one too many times.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Wouldn't that be super awkard though? I thought Dwarves already made their statues floor to ceiling, would that mean we only get a statue of Mathildes legs?
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Obviously it would be built on top of Karag Nar, surrounded by the towers she loved so much in life.

@BoneyM You said the main issue with the Seviriscope is how to translate Winds into concrete usable data. What if instead of a Seviriscope we went for a much more limited Runescope? Essentially just an item that allows for runes to be seen through walls. Runes already have concrete forms, so it would be see a rune show a rune. The point of this item, beyond helping with BoK, zoom functions and maybe the ability to separate layered runes into different images would be scouting for buried runic items. Depending on the item's power and the amount of magical interference for any given location, it could be as insane as flying over an abandoned Karag and seeing wether there are any runic items buried anywhere inside.
An added feature could be showing undifferentiated poo-colored blobs for very large concentrations of Dhar.
We'd of course take an oath to never hand it to a human or teach anyone how it was made without the express permission of a Dwarven Runelord. You know, so they don't hate us forever for creating such an obvious threat to their secrets.
 
Alliterate said:
"It took longer to purge the bloody Haunted Hills than it took to reclaim this place. Why didn't they do something about it?" Mathilde, grumbling to herself after hearing about this one too many times.
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Mathilde should write a book about clearing Karak Eight Peaks. Call it the Book of Superior Karak Reclaiming or something and distribute copies to the Karaz Ankor.
 
Rafin said:
@BoneyM You said the main issue with the Seviriscope is how to translate runes into concrete usable data. What if instead of a Seviriscope we went for a much more limited Runescope? Essentially just an item that allows for runes to be seen through walls. Runes already have concrete forms, so it would be see a rune show a rune. The point of this item, beyond helping with BoK, zoom functions and maybe the ability to separate layered runes into different images would be scouting for buried runic items. Depending on the item's power and the amount of magical interference for any given location, it could be as insane as flying over an abandoned Karag and seeing wether there are any runic items buried anywhere inside.
An added feature could be showing undifferentiated poo-colored blobs for very large concentrations of Dhar.
We'd of course take an oath to never hand it to a human or teach anyone how it was made without the express permission of a Dwarven Runelord. You know, so they don't hate us forever for creating such an obvious threat to their secrets.
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You'd need to know a lot more about Runes than the Runesmiths are willing to teach before you could create a radar for them.
 
BoneyM said:
You'd need to know a lot more about Runes than the Runesmiths are willing to teach before you could create a radar for them.
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Why though? We already see them as actual runes with our magic sense. At least that's how you described BoK's "soul". Five distinct runes layered on top of each other. I just want that, but with more ability to power through walls and with a MAP connected to it.
 
Rafin said:
Why though? We already see them as actual runes with our magic sense. At least that's how you described BoK's "soul". Five distinct runes layered on top of each other. I just want that, but with more ability to power through walls and with a MAP connected to it.
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You can see his soul and you can see the parts of his soul that aren't his soul. What you're suggesting is coming at it from the opposite direction, which is a sense you don't possess.
 
if you want to learn secret dwarven runesmith arts, collaborate with them on a number of projects and learn their secrets through exposure and what bits are revealed during collaboration. Chances are we'll be able to learn more that way then just asking for knowledge.
 
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