Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
So Kragg probably won't share what he finds... it we can still get Thorek a look at Bok if necessary. Or at least, Kragg isn't required, but you seem to be implying he won't either way. Which is kinda stupid and sucks, but I suppose it does fall into his character traits, so I blame Kragg, not you.
I agree, or at least, he wouldn't agree to make an identical one or even a similar one.
He might agree to create a belt with a similar function (but not runes), so it would be a sort of an artistic creative challenge.
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- Leeds
Doom sphere.
We can finally get rid of it.
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- Utrecht
Well, that goes against the Rule of Pride, so Kragg would say no for that reason, rather than because it was for Johann (or anyone other than Mathilde)
This is the case. In general, yes you can make rune items for other people, but you need to name the person and they need to be prominent and respectable members of society. And the more powerful, obscure, or dangerous runes - like that specific example - wouldn't be able to be gifted.
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- Singapore
If Mathilde hypothetically had family members in the future, is it possible to commission runic items for her family members (such as a theoretical spouse) so long as they aren't too powerful, obscure or dangerous? Thanks.
"Current signatures: Greenskins, Ogres, Beastmen, Undead, Daemon (one signature for each Chaos God), Skaven"
Asking just to be sure, even if I'm pretty sure the answer is yes because Mathilde and the Dwarfs and Wizards wouldn't have left such an obvious hole... Daemons and Daemon Princes Princes of Chaos Undivided are covered by the "Daemon (one signature for each Chaos God)" thing, right? That's kind of an obvious question, but felt I had to ask anyway.
Though, what about things like Elementals, Tree Spirits, or the Chaos Dwarf's K'daai?
Or Giants and Dragons? ((And if a hypothethical key wouldn't exist that would target all Dragons, and instead you'd need to specify a lot, then... it might be worth it to install Black Dragons and Warpfire and Shard Wyrm ones, then.))
I assume that the various beasts used by Greenskins and Ogres -- wyverns, giant boars, giant wolves, sabretusks, etc -- are covered under "Greenskins" and "Ogres", but what about things like Griffons or Chimeras or Manticores or Hydras or Harpies? Or Fimir and Trolls? Or Chaos Dwarf Centaurs? ((Actually, I guess the latter might fall under 'Beastmen', huh?))
I realize that things like "Dragon" and "Griffon" or "Frost Wolf" would then run afoul of potential friendly fire -- Dragon being rarer but we have a non-hostile one right friggin there, and Asarnil might be hired, and of course Griffons (or Hippogriffs!) are Imperial (or Breton) mounts and Frost Wolves are of course next door neighbors with the Ulricans of course -- and so therefore might be left off the list for that reason.
I suppose the Eye of Gazul is more aimed at "What faction or invading army might we be attacked by?" rather than "Can this kill any and all gribblies?" anyway, because it's an Anti-Besieging-Army Weapon so if it doesn't specifically target Manticores that's not a huge deal...
Asking just to be sure, even if I'm pretty sure the answer is yes because Mathilde and the Dwarfs and Wizards wouldn't have left such an obvious hole... Daemons and Daemon Princes Princes of Chaos Undivided are covered by the "Daemon (one signature for each Chaos God)" thing, right? That's kind of an obvious question, but felt I had to ask anyway.
Though, what about things like Elementals, Tree Spirits, or the Chaos Dwarf's K'daai?
Or Giants and Dragons? ((And if a hypothethical key wouldn't exist that would target all Dragons, and instead you'd need to specify a lot, then... it might be worth it to install Black Dragons and Warpfire and Shard Wyrm ones, then.))
I assume that the various beasts used by Greenskins and Ogres -- wyverns, giant boars, giant wolves, sabretusks, etc -- are covered under "Greenskins" and "Ogres", but what about things like Griffons or Chimeras or Manticores or Hydras or Harpies? Or Fimir and Trolls? Or Chaos Dwarf Centaurs? ((Actually, I guess the latter might fall under 'Beastmen', huh?))
I realize that things like "Dragon" and "Griffon" or "Frost Wolf" would then run afoul of potential friendly fire -- Dragon being rarer but we have a non-hostile one right friggin there, and Asarnil might be hired, and of course Griffons (or Hippogriffs!) are Imperial (or Breton) mounts and Frost Wolves are of course next door neighbors with the Ulricans of course -- and so therefore might be left off the list for that reason.
I suppose the Eye of Gazul is more aimed at "What faction or invading army might we be attacked by?" rather than "Can this kill any and all gribblies?" anyway, because it's an Anti-Besieging-Army Weapon so if it doesn't specifically target Manticores that's not a huge deal...
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- Aotearoa
Mathilde, in the So You're A Lord Magister? Orientation:
"Wait. What? I don't get it."
Abelhelm? Or Dragomas?
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- UK
That would fall at the first hurdle of getting Kragg to make a second belt full stop.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Plus, suppose you have an army of orc boar riders. Suppose the selective Eye zorches all the orcs, but not the boars.
Well, you still have a problem, in that you have a jillion angry boars. But the scale of your problem has decreased significantly, in that they have no riders to tell them what to do or coordinate them. At which point your conventional defenses and forces will probably eventually allow you to win the day.
Yes, they would be accepted by association with a Mathilde.
Hopefully!
It's not meant to destroy individual threats, as the regular armament of the Karak is quite capable of that. It's built to target those that could swamp the Karak with raw numbers.
Abelhelm. The normal inheritance of Stirland failed as there was nobody left of that family, so instead the Electors voted.
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- Aotearoa
30-50 feral boars in your Caldera?
Ohh, right. It sounded you were saying like Elector Count succession was via duel, but on rereading I see this interpretation.
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- Utrecht
Orc boars are very ornery, but I don't think they are a significant threat to a dwarf battle line.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Well, they might be if there was some way to direct all their orneriness... like, y'know, riders. Without the riders? Not so much, yeah, probably.
Basically, zapping all the riders turns a "we are existentially threatened" problem into a "we will maybe take some casualties but not many unless we are very stupid" problem.
Also, it's free
Good lord, Kragg.
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- Singapore
All the more reason to make a Seviroscope for Thorek.
Seriously speaking, I wonder whether Thorek's methodical empirical from the first-principals up approach might actually be more effective at tackling Bok.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, that's roughly as I thought.
It'd be nice if we could take out an army's warbeasts and monsters too because those are part of an army, but. At least we'd be killing the army itself. And the warbeasts and monsters are then more manageable.
I mean, I guess technically we could still be faced by an army of Forest Spirits from Athel Loren, buuut that's not exactly too likely. No real need to worry about them, why the hell would they ever go so far out of their way. Maybe we could see another huge tribe of Trolls? Since we had a ton of Trolls in Kvinn-Wyr after all. Theoretically, the Greenskins or Skaven could decide to round up a ton of Trolls and make a shambling armygroup of them, but... Well, refer to "If the army goes kaput, the boars are less of a problem" thing; the Trolls in Kvinn-Wyr were a problem not just because there were a lot of them, but because they were entrenched in a freaking mountain. (And eating Warpstone.)
The only factions I feel we are missing and I'd wish we could cover would be Dark Elves and Chaos Dwarfs, but... ... Those probably aren't distinct enough from Elves and Dwarfs. And while I'm sure that the Dwarfs would probably be quite happy to create a "Fuck Elves, Seriously" targeting key, I don't think we should do that. Same problem as having a Human-targeting Key.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Wait, duels are also a valid way to take the place of one of the eight Magister Patriarchs? I thought it was only for the top position.
How did that come to be anyway? Who decided that the biggest powerhouse would also make for the best
How frequent or long are these Storms of Magic? I know nothing about them. Are they some centennial catastrophe or are they more of a seasonal event?
Harsh. Does Kragg dislike Thorek more than other high tier Runelords or is this the attitude for anyone that doesn't call themselves an apprentice anymore despite not being another Kragg the Grimm?
What is it like to be a Patriarch of the College that your direct superior, the Supreme Patriarch, belongs to? A Patriarch of a different color brings a lot of management expertise that the Supreme literally can't handle himself. But a same color one would quickly become little more than a majordomo of his College for any Supreme Patriarch that treats his title as more than a fancy award or a direct access to the Emperor.
What's Dwarven policy when it comes to powerful runic items given to non-Dwarfs being gifted or given as inheritance (including to people not related to the original owner)?
And on the same note, how does inheritance work when it comes to our penthouse (or was it the Ranald tavern) that iirc was actually given to us instead of the long term leasing that Dwarves usually do when it comes to outsiders?
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- Aotearoa
Mathilde doesn't need targeting crystals, she can incinerate anyone she and Gazul agree on.
(Go hug Wolf or something.)
Hmm, I wonder what would happen if she tried to just use Regular Strength Mountain-Sized Burning Shadows without invoking the Gazul Hellfire part. Would that even work? Would you have to separate off the pillar to runic hell first?
Warbeast or snotling, if they are an enemy of the Dawi, Mathilde can so judge them and burn their souls out.
(Go hug Wolf or something.)
Hmm, I wonder what would happen if she tried to just use Regular Strength Mountain-Sized Burning Shadows without invoking the Gazul Hellfire part. Would that even work? Would you have to separate off the pillar to runic hell first?
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My personal problem with the library idea isn't that I expect the gameplay effect to be lacking. Presumably Boney will do some balancing. It just bores me. I just don't have any emotional connection. And pretty much nobody has so far given me a reason to care.
The fact that we could just buy lots of books with money only compounds it.
See, this is what I'm talking about. This is the first library pitch that actually made me consider it. More of this, please. I'm not convinced it's anywhere as cool as a flying dreadnought or a teleportation network or even a collage branch specialised in superweapons, but for the first time I'm willing to entertain the possibility that it could be.So like. I don't wanna make a big fuss arguing this, especially since I'm tired and I used up my energy on meme. But while a library on our personal starship could be quite awesome, there's only so big it can be.
I wanna mountain of books. Literally. I wanna nerd so hard the entire planet knows and wants to visit our book mountain and pay us book tribute while they do book research under our mountain-sized hat. You can't do that with a mere boatload of books; it's just not big enough.
And if we reach endgame later on, we'll probably be able to strap a warp engine and a few extra superweapons on it and make it a dreadnaught library anyways.
So tell me about book pilgrims making book sacrifices and being book jealous of the book lady with her book bed in her book halls, because that at least could be interesting.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Not really, there's always ways around the rule of pride, only two of the runes on that Belt are needed to recreate it and there are all the other talisman runes you could mix into it.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
This is just a guess, but perhaps Kragg's disdain for Thorek is down to guild culture in the larger Karaz Ankor. I remember a Word of Boney from a while back stating that guild standards for competence throughout the Karaz Ankor are fairly standardized, to the point that a skilled dwarf moving from one hold to another would receive much the same benefits of their position in their new hold as in their old hold. Thorek is probably the closest to being a peer to Kragg, which makes it a problem that he doesn't hew to the model of competence for that level of runelord that is Kragg himself. This is of course due to Thorek and Karak Azul being largely cut off from the Karaz Ankor, and so have likely developed their own standard of competence different from most other guilds, including those of runesmiths.
The Colleges exist primarily to be a military resource for the Empire. But the Magister Patriarch or Matriarch effectively controls who can possibly challenge them, since they decide who does and does not get access to the most powerful artefacts and teachings and spells, so anyone with more ambition than sense tends to get stonewalled out and good leaders tend to be unchallenged.
Under normal circumstances, for the entire Old World, perhaps once a year there'll be a localized one that comes and goes before anyone that didn't happen to already be there can take advantage, and about once a decade there'll be one large enough to cover an area the size of a province and go on for days or weeks. They tend to become more common during portentous times.
Thorek engages in politics, which Kragg considers below a Runelord. The most prominent example is that he's taught Runesmithing to Prince Kazrik, who technically can trace his lineage back to Thungni, but he isn't part of a Runesmithing Clan - and he did this not because of any significant aptitude on Kazrik's part, but because it allows him influence over the heir apparent to Karak Azul. In Kragg's mind, any time a Runesmith spends on things that aren't Runesmithing is them failing in their responsibility to the craft of Thungni.
And Thorek is often described as the greatest Runelord of the Karak Ankor because he's much more active and visible than Kragg, despite being less than half Kragg's age. That'd stick in his craw.
It's theirs to pass down as they see fit.
It's up to Mathilde. When (if?) she dies, I'll allow the thread to retroactively write her will.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Kragg is kind of an asshole sure he's our asshole in some ways, but he's not going to make lasting and enduring change to the Karaz-ankor that isn't through his direct actions, he will leave no apprentices, his knowledge will die with him. Thorek may potentially never reach the heights of the runic art that Kragg has although that's very arguable as a willingness to coloborate means he could achieve more with the right parners but in the future there will be a runic art, if runesmiths were all Kraggs the art would die out categorically.
Thorek is in many ways a person with more foresight and will ensure that the Karaz-ankor actually has rune smiths.