Sure. Doctor Who has been running variations on that theme for decades.
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Sure. Doctor Who has been running variations on that theme for decades.
Mopman43
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Far as I recall, Ranald wasn't an option, because Mathilde considers him committed to Shallya and she didn't quite feel up to making a play for two dieties.
Darth.
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As someone unfamiliar with Doctor Who beyond knowing what it is about, I don't really get it :/
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By the way, this is why I will never believe any argument that Mathilde is arrogant.
She knows her limits. One deity, doable. Two deities! "Maybe I should actually go on one date before I try to seduce two deities into a threeway relationship. Get literally any amount of experience first."
Now that's having a reasonable understanding of you're limits.
Edit: If the relationship with Panoramia ever ends I'm pushing for Ranald and Shallya. With a single relationship under her belt she is now prepared for a more complicated challenge.
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Ericwinter
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Coulda sworn it was actually denied, because Mathilde isn't quite hubristic enough to try stealing Shallya's man... yet.
Given how that usually ends, this is not reassuring. Unless Ranald went to the trouble of splitting off his essence as a mortal avatar that chose to live with her until they both died of old age...
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Given the whole 45th Doctor thing at least one relationship seems to have worked out.
Not really anything to get, it's just that a romance between 'regular mortal person' and 'ancient and powerful being' has a bunch of precedent, Doctor Who just being the closest fit because the Doctor is also beyond time and space. Thor, Highlander, Buffy, Charmed, Shrek... hard to engage with pop culture for long without coming across it.
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The dragon, right?
For a moment I was really thrown by Shrek being in this list.
Donkey and the Dragon seem to require a lot less relationship maintenance than Shrek and Fiona, too.
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Donkey (as the Bard of the party) has a high Charisma stat, helping to sooth fights over, and the Dragon is more mature than Shrek or Fiona, so yeah, that makes sense.
Plus their both happy with who they are and their bodies, neither has any big responsibilities causing trouble for them, or family that disapproves.
....
Good for them.
Edit: Plus, Donkey is canonically a good cook (I'm making Waffles!) and, after dealing with Shrek at his worst, is basically immune to people being cross with him allowing him to remain level headed and kind and actually work on his relationship issues without getting frustrated even if his partner is annoyed with him and/or the world.
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NexusEye
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The Doctor is an arguably godlike alien time travelling entity who is extremely powerful and always travels around with one or more human Companions who are inevitably shipped with them by the fanbase.
You don't need to go to pop culture just look at ancient mythology, love between Zeus and a mortal (Alcmene) was how Heracles was born, love between also Zeus and Semele was how Dionysus was born, love between, er, Zeus again and Leda was how Helen of Troy was born... look Zeus got around a lot okay?
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Mopman43
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I think Zeus's byblows tends more towards a... cautionary tale at best.
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...Well that's my mind blown. I've never even heard of that theory, but it makes a painful amount of sense.
And you may have missed the reference to the one definitely canon and successful relationship—in modern Who at least—where Rose Tyler gets to live happily ever after with a human version of the Tenth Doctor in another dimension. The creation of whom, funnily enough has a couple of parralels to Mandred if you tilt your head enough.
To be fair, pretty much every god in almost every culture did. Zeus was just the creepiest and most common, which is ironic since he's not supposed to be a love god.
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I'd imagine that Ranald is better at relationships than Zeus.
This isn't even a compliment, just a statement that it's pretty hard to be worse at relationships than Zeus without being objectively evil. Like, wow, that is setting the bar pretty low.
Is it really a theory if the current show runner, the writer of the episode, and the next show runner (same person as the writer of the episode to be fair) all agreed it was canon while the episode was being written and after the episode aired?
It was never explicitly stated during the episode yeah, but even a lot of the stuff that makes it to air doesn't fit with the rest of the series canon so I'd argue that it's as cannon for the Russel T Davies era and the Moffat era as much as anything that made it on screen during either showrunners era's are.
As for the rest of the series ... in my mind the only hard canon rule is that whatever a showrunner did is canon for that showrunners part of the series, everything else is up in the air. It helps ease the tension from all the bits that conflict with all of the other bits. You know, like
It doesn't completely eliminate the tension, but it helps.
It's easy to forget because he looks like the Doctor, but he isn't only a clone of the Doctor. He's still part Donna Noble, and I think it's canon that he inherited some of her personality and temperaments as well? I think?
I'd wager that a relationship with Rose probably worked out, but who knows. Maybe the part Donna thing changes something on either side, maybe the being human thing alters it (Rose never really had to deal with a Doctor stuck in one place or a Doctor that cared about other people (treated Mickey badly, Jack was around for like 5 minutes)), and, well ... we haven't actually seen Rose and the Doctor or the Metacrisis as a couple. They might just not work out.
Plus, again, does the metacrisis count as the Doctor? He's half Doctor and half Donna after all. I mean, biologically, Jenny is closer to being the Doctor than the metacrisis was and no one calls her the Doctor.
It probably counts, probably, but in my head it's a schrodinger's relationship. Without any more evidence the relationship both succeeded and failed, and metacrisis both is and isn't the Doctor.
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If anyone else wnats to talk Doctor Who with me I'm switching to PM's after this post.
As far as Doctor Who goes I mean.
Edit x2: I haven't investigated if there was any further news on the MetaRose relationship, so if I missed something that makes what I said wrong in a DvD thing or an interview or something than that's egg on my face.
This isn't even a compliment, just a statement that it's pretty hard to be worse at relationships than Zeus without being objectively evil. Like, wow, that is setting the bar pretty low.
Is it really a theory if the current show runner, the writer of the episode, and the next show runner (same person as the writer of the episode to be fair) all agreed it was canon while the episode was being written and after the episode aired?
It was never explicitly stated during the episode yeah, but even a lot of the stuff that makes it to air doesn't fit with the rest of the series canon so I'd argue that it's as cannon for the Russel T Davies era and the Moffat era as much as anything that made it on screen during either showrunners era's are.
As for the rest of the series ... in my mind the only hard canon rule is that whatever a showrunner did is canon for that showrunners part of the series, everything else is up in the air. It helps ease the tension from all the bits that conflict with all of the other bits. You know, like
the Fourth Doctor story, the The Brain of Morbius, that revealed that there were at least eight pre-Hartnell Doctors that almost every other story ignored until very recently.
It doesn't completely eliminate the tension, but it helps.
I didn't miss it, I'm just ... it probably counts but we don't actually know that relationship worked out and, if it did, does he still count as the Doctor?
It's easy to forget because he looks like the Doctor, but he isn't only a clone of the Doctor. He's still part Donna Noble, and I think it's canon that he inherited some of her personality and temperaments as well? I think?
I'd wager that a relationship with Rose probably worked out, but who knows. Maybe the part Donna thing changes something on either side, maybe the being human thing alters it (Rose never really had to deal with a Doctor stuck in one place or a Doctor that cared about other people (treated Mickey badly, Jack was around for like 5 minutes)), and, well ... we haven't actually seen Rose and the Doctor or the Metacrisis as a couple. They might just not work out.
Plus, again, does the metacrisis count as the Doctor? He's half Doctor and half Donna after all. I mean, biologically, Jenny is closer to being the Doctor than the metacrisis was and no one calls her the Doctor.
It probably counts, probably, but in my head it's a schrodinger's relationship. Without any more evidence the relationship both succeeded and failed, and metacrisis both is and isn't the Doctor.
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If anyone else wnats to talk Doctor Who with me I'm switching to PM's after this post.
As far as Doctor Who goes I mean.
Edit x2: I haven't investigated if there was any further news on the MetaRose relationship, so if I missed something that makes what I said wrong in a DvD thing or an interview or something than that's egg on my face.
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Like 90% sure that the real season a lot of the time why Zeus was chosen was like the shitty fanfic reason to have an overpowered protagonist son of the main protagonist to justify their skill and power.
Really all of Zeus's kids are like the Boruto to Zeus's Naruto.
I mean I'm sure they would be suitably sad about the gaping hole or possibility new warp gate where the Empire used to be.
We are hilariously ill equipped to do modifications on that scale.
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Is there a royalties system under dwarf traditional law? As the master of her master's master's master's master does Teclis get 1% of the credit for her deeds?
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DF as explicit numbers is a gameplay abstraction, and I don't think there's a realistic way to quantify that kind of credit. But yes, it's said that everything that anybody in the Empire does well for the Karaz Ankor reflects onto Sigmar, so theoretically Teclis would get some credit for the Colleges of Magic doing good deeds. The problem with Teclis is that he's a member of Ulthuan, and so all that credit gets outweighed by the Grudges leveled during the War of Vengeance.
No, the Grey College as her Guild equivalent gets partial credit to cover that same territory, and Teclis would indirectly benefit from the Guild he founded rising in prominence if it weren't for the fact that he said BRB and disappeared from the Old World in 2326 because he got ambushed by a surprise promotion at his father's funeral.
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You could ALSO see it as a man in a long-term, committed relationship with a being of unimaginable power: the time-warping, sentient spaceship.
Outside of a handful of revanchist twits, Ulthuan doesn't really care about Dwarves. They dropped the Old World from their radar completely four millennia ago and only started paying attention to it again in the past few hundred years.
Well yeah. A serial magical rapist is not exactly a role model to emulate. I'm pretty sure most evil gods in fiction do less creepy sex stuff than Zeus, actually. They may be more sexually moral than him, even as they seek to dominate the world and cover middle earth in darkness.