Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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On a tangentially related note, do we know if the system is net positive without K8P, but with Vlag? Or Vlag + Dum?
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I believe so. The dwarves didn't turn to stone during the last incursion, and the only holds lost since then were Vlag and Dum afaik. So the system was right on the edge pretty much until just before Thorgrim took the throne. Hearing the siren may have been what caused his predecessor to decide it was all pointless and allow himself to die. That's what Thorgrim believes, anyway.
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My best guess is that it's net positive with Vlag and Dum (otherwise the king wouldn't have given up hope when they were lost), but not with just Vlag (or else Dum might not have gone so far). K8P is probably "worth" more to the system than Vlag is.
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Or Dum wasn't sure but knew that it was dangerously close.
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The dwarven population is not going to significantly increase during Mathilde's lifespan. She is a human and will by neccesity only get to see a small part of a grand project like this.
My reading of that implied that it was a despair he'd been struggling with for a long time, so when he was wounded, he just sort of let it take him because it had been grinding him down. Prior to the loss of Vlag, which was the latest hold to fall? We could probably discern an answer from that based on a reasonable guesstimate on how much battery life the system might have.
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Remember the system only gets tested during incursions or storms of magic, so can survive on too-little power for a long, long time. As it isn't actually pushed against until then.
It also makes it a bitch to figure out the battery life, since we have no way of estimating the load.
And I think it was the opposite - the claxon was new. But hearing it made him sure that any effort was doomed. Because the holds were clearly gone, and nothing else mattered, because they were the final line of defense.
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Mopman43
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The Silver Pinnacle, in -326.
The Dwarfs went through the Silver Age, 2300 years, without the loss of any major holds, then Vlag and Dum were lost during the Great War Against Chaos in 2300.
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
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If we're choosing decisions based on how many babies they result in, then maybe we acquired one romance novel too many.
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KD the year before. If you mean before the Great War Against Chaos, then Silver Pinnacle a bit over 2600 years before.
Edit: Weber'd.
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I read it differently:
The rhetorical emphasis in this section is on a tipping point. Dum and Vlag were fresh losses, and that information is given in the same sentence as the bit about Alriksson dying from wounds he should have recovered from. The implication is that these two facts are connected. Furthermore, the "just in time to watch it crumble" description doesn't make sense unless the outright crumbling of the Karaz Ankor is a new concern.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
Depends how long Mathilde lives.
We've seen that Wizards can live a real long time if they mess with magic enough (aren't there a couple over a century in age or something?), and Heidi shows us that if you do enough favors for Shallya she might de-age you as a favor.
There's a real chance that we get to the point where age just stops being a factor for Mattie.
Now, odds on her not being killed with her lifestyle aren't great .... but, I don't know, probably better then the odds of someone conquering such a large percentage K8P in a single day or being in the right place, at the right time, with the right skill set to steal back Vlag from chaos? Not good odds certainly, but she's beaten worse and, well, Kragg is still alive and he's certainly faced his share of risky situation's over his millennia of life.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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Random thought, but... Mathilde knows that Dwarven magic resistance isn't natural, right? And that the Rune of Eternity is running off the magic siphoned by Karak Waystones. I wonder if, should Thorgrim actually be waiting for us at Pragg like some people seem to expect, he might make a comment or something that lets her put those two pieces of information together. It wouldn't have to be an explicit confession about how exactly everything works, just him asking after her Waystone knowledge because it was vital to Dwarven survival or something. She put together the whole refugee situation with equally disparate information, after all.
Too many romance books? What nonsense are you talking about?
That neatly answers that, then. Definitely the tipping point, thanks!
Yeah that makes more sense, re-reading it.
Try it and find out.
Done.
The Kislev-Praag road is already reasonably secured and well-made. An Urskoy-Lynsk Canal would be theoretically possible, the shortest route would be about fifty miles over rugged terrain between Vdovya and Bain running parallel to the existing Kislev-Praag road, while the easiest terrain to work with would be about a hundred miles between Inkodevna and Bolgasgrad via Zhanyka.
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Speculative Kislev canals:
Possible Canal routes in purple.
Speculative Kislev canals:
Possible Canal routes in purple.
Navigable by small boats specifically built to wind their way through the cramped conditions. You can't exactly drive an ironclad up it.
It's a minor point, but modern Dwarves don't actually want to be self-sufficient, they want to be able to be self-sufficient. Even the most conservative modern Dwarves would say they want to continue selling finished goods to humans, and to continue importing human grain so they can use it to make bread and save all the proper Dwarven grain for making into ale. The possibility of autarky was discussed during the gathering of Kings following the Great War Against Chaos, but it was as a collective suicide method: sealing their holds to the outside world and allow themselves to pass into history.
Probably the latter.
He exists, but Mathilde wouldn't have heard of him, and none of his ideas would have spread on account of them all ending in disaster.
The Eonir didn't exist until after the Dwarves had pulled out of the Middle Mountains, and after that the closest major Dwarfhold to Laurelorn is a thousand miles away at Karak Norn. so while there would probably be grudges somewhere, they'd be the sort of thing you spend weeks digging through books for to find things like a record of a drunken punch-up at a tavern in Kurtwallen. The Asrai would be a completely different story.
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To Mathilde's knowledge it is a divine blessing.
Chlof
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Anyone else always read this as 'Fuck around and find out' or is that just me?
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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...Pretty sure that's just the natural translation in Boney-speak.
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I imagine actual Ascendance would have a lot in common with becoming a Demon Lord, just without the sponsorship of any of the Four.
TaliesinSkye
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This reminds me, have we ever asked a dragon if Ulgu dragons exist?
NexusEye
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Not that we remember but considering Ulgu dragons that doesn't mean we didn't.
TaliesinSkye
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I mostly meant the two dragons we know, but that is a good point.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
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Wait. I distinctly recall Ranald being a possible vote in one of the ship votes - not the one at Stirland, that was crossed out and labelled heresy. Are you saying you had a way in mind for a Mathilde/