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On the other hand, the elves (Daroir specifically) made it clear that everything a human wizard does is indeed thanks to Teclis and all part of his long term plans.

So i have to wonder if he's been getting negative rep for helping the dwarfs so much.
Oh, no. It's just the good things that the human mages do that the elven mages get credit for. Any folly a human mage succumbs to is a result of their inborn inferiority, which elves cannot be blamed for.
 
Oh, no. It's just the good things that the human mages do that the elven mages get credit for. Any folly a human mage succumbs to is a result of their inborn inferiority, which elves cannot be blamed for.
Well, it's not like magic had ever had horrific consequences to the high elves mages, just ask Caledor Dragontamer ...oh right.
 
Technically Mors is a minor clan iirc, they just happen to be the most important minor clan in the grand scheme of things.

The categorizing is tricky. Great Clans is an official category that only includes Eshin, Pestilens, Moulder, and Skryre. There's also Clans that are on the Council of Thirteen, so those four plus Rictus, Skurvy, Skab, Morbidus, Carrion, and whoever takes Mors' spot, which doesn't have an official name IIRC but could be called 'major clans' or 'council clans'. Everyone else can be considered 'lesser' or 'minor'. Other categories are 'Warlord Clans', meaning every Clan that's not Great, and 'Thrall Clans', meaning those that have sworn fealty to one of the four Great Clans.

Whether Pestilens and Morbidus (one of Pestilens' Thrall Clans) remain on the Council is thus far unknown to non-Skaven.
 
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Whether Pestilens and Morbidus (one of Pestilens' Thrall Clans) remain on the Council is thus far unknown to non-Skaven.
... This isn't a question you need to answer, just me thinking aloud basically, but I wonder how long it will take for the Grey's to start infiltrating Skaven society. Spoken Queekish should make it possible, if I understand correctly.
 
... This isn't a question you need to answer, just me thinking aloud basically, but I wonder how long it will take for the Grey's to start infiltrating Skaven society. Spoken Queekish should make it possible, if I understand correctly.
Alas we only have the general spoken Queekish for communication between Clans, not any of the Clan-specific dialects.

We do have almost the entire written language (excepting magic vocabulary).

This should allow things like:
  • Spying on meetings between different factions
  • intercepting written communication between clans and inside of clans
  • forging communication both between clans and internal of clans
  • stealing any written down plans or books
All things which were not possible at all before. If we had the specific clan-dialects, there would be more, but we don't.
 
Alas we only have the general spoken Queekish for communication between Clans, not any of the Clan-specific dialects.

We do have almost the entire written language (excepting magic vocabulary).

This should allow things like:
  • Spying on meetings between different factions
  • intercepting written communication between clans and inside of clans
  • forging communication both between clans and internal of clans
  • stealing any written down plans or books
All things which were not possible at all before. If we had the specific clan-dialects, there would be more, but we don't.
They could probably pose as members of one clan interacting with another, as well, and probably work out a way to get the clan dialects with some effort. That's why I'm not surprised nobody has tried any deep infiltration yet, but I do expect it will happen sometime in the future.
 
They could probably pose as members of one clan interacting with another, as well, and probably work out a way to get the clan dialects with some effort. That's why I'm not surprised nobody has tried any deep infiltration yet, but I do expect it will happen sometime in the future.

For some reason, nobody's volunteered to go ahead with "yes hello-hello fellow Skaven, I just so happen to have a tail and nose and gland and whisker disorder that prevents me from using any parts of Skaven nonverbal communication, hail-hail the Horned Rat and all that, no food or drink or currency or drugs for me thanks, I'm allergic to warpstone".
 
Donkey (as the Bard of the party) has a high Charisma stat, helping to sooth fights over, and the Dragon is more mature than Shrek or Fiona, so yeah, that makes sense.

Plus their both happy with who they are and their bodies, neither has any big responsibilities causing trouble for them, or family that disapproves.

....

Good for them.

Edit: Plus, Donkey is canonically a good cook (I'm making Waffles!) and, after dealing with Shrek at his worst, is basically immune to people being cross with him allowing him to remain level headed and kind and actually work on his relationship issues without getting frustrated even if his partner is annoyed with him and/or the world.

...

Welp, I'm convinced. Guess I'm voting Shadowsteed next romance vote.

Or is ShadowsteedxCython the best ship?
 
For some reason, nobody's volunteered to go ahead with "yes hello-hello fellow Skaven, I just so happen to have a tail and nose and gland and whisker disorder that prevents me from using any parts of Skaven nonverbal communication, hail-hail the Horned Rat and all that, no food or drink or currency or drugs for me thanks, I'm allergic to warpstone".
Clearly the solution is train a swarm of giants rats to infiltrate and gather information instead. They'd fit right in!
 
For some reason, nobody's volunteered to go ahead with "yes hello-hello fellow Skaven, I just so happen to have a tail and nose and gland and whisker disorder that prevents me from using any parts of Skaven nonverbal communication, hail-hail the Horned Rat and all that, no food or drink or currency or drugs for me thanks, I'm allergic to warpstone".
...Fair enough. I guess I was imagining them to rely on magic, an air of mystery, and generally avoiding situations that would reveal them? Maybe I have too much faith in the memetic spy skills of the Grey College then. It just seemed plausible if vampires can get away with living in human society without being discovered for any length of time, and I think Eshin has agents in the Empire?
 
Lord Magister Melkoth Infiltrates Under-Altdorf, 2478
For some reason, nobody's volunteered to go ahead with "yes hello-hello fellow Skaven, I just so happen to have a tail and nose and gland and whisker disorder that prevents me from using any parts of Skaven nonverbal communication, hail-hail the Horned Rat and all that, no food or drink or currency or drugs for me thanks, I'm allergic to warpstone".
Lord Magister Melkoth Infiltrates Under-Altdorf, 2478
 
...Fair enough. I guess I was imagining them to rely on magic, an air of mystery, and generally avoiding situations that would reveal them? Maybe I have too much faith in the memetic spy skills of the Grey College then. It just seemed plausible if vampires can get away with living in human society without being discovered for any length of time, and I think Eshin has agents in the Empire?

Many humans have a tendency to not ask questions when a possibility exists that the cloaked stranger or eccentric noble might give them a fistful of gold, and even then Skaven and Vampire operate through already-suborned human agents whenever possible. In comparison, Skaven are absurdly paranoid by default, and while individuals could theoretically be intimidated or bribed into cooperating with infiltration, nobody would be comfortable on relying on them staying intimidated or bribed, especially when the Horned Rat can threaten and offer so much more.
 
For some reason, nobody's volunteered to go ahead with "yes hello-hello fellow Skaven, I just so happen to have a tail and nose and gland and whisker disorder that prevents me from using any parts of Skaven nonverbal communication, hail-hail the Horned Rat and all that, no food or drink or currency or drugs for me thanks, I'm allergic to warpstone".
...what, they couldn't illusion up those?
 
For comparison, destroying the Colledge of Necromancy got us a Great Deed. So did adding Written Skaven to the Order Knowledge Pool. They're that paranoid.
Yes, if the Skaven ever find out that we added written Queekish to the Empire's knowledge base, we'll get the same treatment that L.M. Grey gets from the Chaos Dwarves.

Assassinations without end.
Good thing we already sleep in a location which can be argued to be more fortified than the Grey College given it's both inside a Dwarven Karak and has a Holy Superweapon.
This might be the only thing that keeps us from becoming another L.M. Grey.
 
Yes, if the Skaven ever find out that we added written Queekish to the Empire's knowledge base, we'll get the same treatment that L.M. Grey gets from the Chaos Dwarves.

Assassinations without end.
Good thing we already sleep in a location which can be argued to be more fortified than the Grey College given it's both inside a Dwarven Karak and has a Holy Superweapon.
This might be the only thing that keeps us from becoming another L.M. Grey.
Maybe the idea that we're really just a front for another, way more subtle Grey Magister?
 
Good thing we already sleep in a location which can be argued to be more fortified than the Grey College given it's both inside a Dwarven Karak and has a Holy Superweapon.
This might be the only thing that keeps us from becoming another L.M. Grey.
I mean, it's the next best thing, but I'm not sure it even those precautions stand up to, you know, being housed in an entirely different dimension? Plus whatever other precautions the Greys—who are paranoid enough to conceivably match a divinely backed deception—have added over the last couple hundred years, including an active, decades-long siege. Dwarves are good at fortifying, but they've had less than a decade to work on our towers.
 
I mean, what's even the point of having a belt that automatically rids you're body of Dhar if you aren't going to abuse it to snort a line of Warstone aka magic cheese? I'm down with infiltrating the Skaven. Mattie has done murder, theft, she got the money, women, and Adult literature ... it's about time she complete the circle of crime and break into drugs.

I'd argue that being nobility counts for the protection racket badge so that's another off the list. Contraband .... selling Asarnil's memoir in Ulthuan despite it being illegal. Garbage dumping is a big thing in organized crime and we've been in on that for awhile. Embezzling from day one, counterfitting schemes with Belegar, politics in general. "Critical of Bards" hits the mafia's ties to the music scene even if it's not as accurate as I'd like. Kidnapping, our Skaven friend. Connections in the police ... arguably via a few methods.

Yeah, the only things I can think of off the big Mafia businesses checklist that we haven't done is drugs and knockoff's of high end fashion. I'm sure there's stuff I'm missing, but I can't think of any at the moment and I don't have the time to pull out my research materials.
 
For some reason, nobody's volunteered to go ahead with "yes hello-hello fellow Skaven, I just so happen to have a tail and nose and gland and whisker disorder that prevents me from using any parts of Skaven nonverbal communication, hail-hail the Horned Rat and all that, no food or drink or currency or drugs for me thanks, I'm allergic to warpstone".
The reverse of the two skaven in a trench coat is a halfling wearing a fur suit.
 
I mean, what's even the point of having a belt that automatically rids you're body of Dhar if you aren't going to abuse it to snort a line of Warstone aka magic cheese? I'm down with infiltrating the Skaven. Mattie has done murder, theft, she got the money, women, and Adult literature ... it's about time she complete the circle of crime and break into drugs.

I'd argue that being nobility counts for the protection racket badge so that's another off the list. Contraband .... selling Asarnil's memoir in Ulthuan despite it being illegal. Garbage dumping is a big thing in organized crime and we've been in on that for awhile. Embezzling from day one, counterfitting schemes with Belegar, politics in general. "Critical of Bards" hits the mafia's ties to the music scene even if it's not as accurate as I'd like. Kidnapping, our Skaven friend. Connections in the police ... arguably via a few methods.

Yeah, the only things I can think of off the big Mafia businesses checklist that we haven't done is drugs and knockoff's of high end fashion. I'm sure there's stuff I'm missing, but I can't think of any at the moment and I don't have the time to pull out my research materials.

Nah we've done that one as well, Waagh soak mushrooms.
 
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