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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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@BoneyM Then if the EIC gets involved in the trade of Spider Silk (once the Dwarfs figure out how to weave the damned thing) would that stretch the vow of poverty enough that the Bursar will come after Mathilde?

And assuming that Mathilde survives this expedition, and we spend the Boon and the Deeds when we come back as we have been discussing for a while... IIRC you said that our half-actions, like the golds or the ducklings would need to be revised and reorganized, would that revision and reorganization also include the EIC?
 
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MooseHowl said:
Enough to tolerate battle wizards running around her castle, at least. Plus her and Mathilde are pretty much friends at this point.

Rune magic in the Empire is also by nature in a very different category from regular magic. Ghal Maraz and the Runefangs are awe-inspiring and scary, but not in in the sense that 'this thing may explode and/or steal your soul at any moment.'
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She is not using Runefang.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
Then if the EIC gets involved in the trade of Spider Silk (once the Dwarfs figure out how to weave the damned thing) would that stretch the vow of poverty enough that the Bursar will come after Mathilde?
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I mean, the company she owns 36% of has always been a for-profit company. If asked, Mathilde would justify it as her keeping a leash on them and using their resources for the good of the Empire.
 
Mopman43 said:
"Depending on which version you read"- is that different printings of the 8th edition Empire book, or is the event mentioned elsewhere? The only other place I had ever seen it was the timeline in the 4th edition RPG core book.
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8th Edition Tomb Kings has him possessing the Liber Mortis as one of the Nine Books of Nagash, I assume the 4th Edition RPG part was to answer how a book penned in Sylvania and held in Altdorf came into his hands, but without tackling the 'since when is this one of the Nine Books' part of it.

storryeater said:
Don't the Dwarves of at least one Karak have Barazuls, people specifically trained at searching the loopholes in order to help people avoid turning Slayer? The concept of loopholing to be functional and psychologically sound when oaths are practically untenable seems to be codified in at least one Dawi polity, in your quest at least. Or would those loopholes not count to Dawi for some reason?
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No, Barazul are entirely dedicated to upholding oaths, vows, and contracts. Their job is to apply proper sober Dwarven thought to these when those bound by them might be too distraught to do so themselves, to see if they can be fulfilled while still upholding both the letter and spirit of them.

Klaus said:
In quest, the Liber Mortis includes the distillation of at least one of the Books of Nagash.
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Still doesn't make it one of the nine books, at most it's an unofficial and heavily edited reprinting of one of them. And Arkhan doesn't seem the sort to trust that Vashanesh and Frederick got it exactly right and extracted everything perfectly.

Fanhunter696 said:
@BoneyM Then if the EIC gets involved in the trade of Spider Silk (once the Dwarfs figure out how to weave the damned thing) would that stretch the vow of poverty enough that the Bursar will come after Mathilde?
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Things that the EIC does at the direction of the other owners without Mathilde's direct involvement is a different matter entirely to Mathilde personally taking a Dwarven expedition on a detour to stock up on profitable luxury goods.

Fanhunter696 said:
And assuming that Mathilde survives this expedition, and we spend the Boon and the Deeds when we come back as we have been discussing for a while... IIRC you said that our half-actions, like the golds or the ducklings would need to be revised and reorganized, would that revision and reorganization also include the EIC?
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It would be pointless to plan ahead at this point. The reorganization could be completely different depending on how the Boons and Deeds are spent.
 
DocMatoi said:
theres "i feel shame for something that was not necessarily my fault" and then theres "I swore to poverty and yet im probably among the 10 richest people in any mid-size imperial town."
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I mean, poverty is a misnomer. As is stated, it is more of an "oath of non pursuit of enrichment as a goal"

Abhorsen said:
No, Barazuls don't go for loopholes, they simply try to determine if an oath was violated, which stops some dwarves from going slayer. Remember we suggested that we bring in a Barazul to solve Belegar's problem? Boney mentioned that the Barazul could quite easily say "Yup, time to go slayer."
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Fair enough.

kingreaper said:
I think at least some of the "loopholes" we've been using don't actually exist within the rules - they're convenient fictions like "Dame Weber's money isn't Journeywoman Weber's money"
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Eh, that loophole technically exists because the Articles explicitly supercede the oaths.
 
SpaceSloth said:
She is not using Runefang.
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She is better with an axe. It would be insensitive to ask her if she's avoiding the Runefang because it's magical, or because her father died wielding it.
BoneyM said:
Magic Phobia: Despite knowing better, Roswita has a niggling fear that the presence of a Wizard is an enormous and constant danger.
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Her character entry clarifies that she is nervous around Wizards, specifically.
 
Gap said:
My take on this is that she just prefers an axe? Training and all? Yeah its stupid but why would she translate magic fobia toa runic sword with such important meaning to the Empire's main religion?
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There's a number of potential reasons. The magic phobia maybe, the fact her father died while wielding it, not feeling worthy of it, and, though not as applicable anymore, when Alkaseltzer was still doing hits on her, I could certainly imagine her not wielding it out of the belief that she'll just be dead soon regardless and she shouldn't risk losing the Runefang.

@BoneyM, does Roswita still not wield it, the more recent times Mathilde has seen her? I'm aware that her character sheet doesn't mention wielding it, just the falchion and boarding axe.
 
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BoneyM said:
Still doesn't make it one of the nine books, at most it's an unofficial and heavily edited reprinting of one of them. And Arkhan doesn't seem the sort to trust that Vashanesh and Frederick got it exactly right and extracted everything perfectly.
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I wasn't trying to argue that bit of cannon, I was weighing in on the argument of if it was all nine distilled, just what Vlad knew to teach Frederick, completely unrelated to the Books of Nagash, or what.
 
BoneyM said:
Still doesn't make it one of the nine books, at most it's an unofficial and heavily edited reprinting of one of them. And Arkhan doesn't seem the sort to trust that Vashanesh and Frederick got it exactly right and extracted everything perfectly.
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Could it be seen as the Abridged Edition of the Nine Books?
 
Mopman43 said:
So it's full of Necromancy meta-humor and tells people to support the official Nine Books?
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Perhaps Arkhan the Black really did steal a copy of the Liber Mortis, it violated Nagash's copyright so he was having it taken down on his behalf even though it wasn't hurting anybody. Necromancers, still not as soulless as actual corporations though.
 
Mopman43 said:
So it's full of Necromancy meta-humor and tells people to support the official Nine Books?
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"Hey Vashanesh! Mallus to Vashanesh! Hey, are you in there? It's your spell!"

"Sorry, Nagash. Doing this Romanian accent makes it difficult to concentrate on heretical magics."

"I know what you mean, my voice is pretty crazy too. I'm thinking about changing it."

"By the way, my Black Pyramid's got a super rare source of power."

"Groovy!"

"Hey, who wants... vine?"

Rare source of power? That sounds vague enough to be the Winds of Magic. And since I'm a Nehekaran king in charge of my entire civilization, I've clearly got nothing better to do than go check it out.
 
Mopman43 said:
@BoneyM, does Roswita still not wield it, the more recent times Mathilde has seen her? I'm aware that her character sheet doesn't mention wielding it, just the falchion and boarding axe.
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The boarding axe, when Mathilde last saw her. She apparently picked up some training from the Marines of Barak Varr.

NexusEye said:
Could it be seen as the Abridged Edition of the Nine Books?
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I don't think so, Vlad was a potent necromancer, but he's not nearly as much of a 'successor to Nagash' type able to pen such a distillation when compared to Arkhan or Neferata or W'soran.
 
Alright, I've finished today's episode of 'of the five identical white chickens, three are broody, correctly identify them and send them to Broody Jail', and I have four hours until it's time to feed horses. Let's try to bang out an update. Voting closed, writing has begun.
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BoneyM said:
Alright, I've finished today's episode of 'of the five identical white chickens, three are broody, correctly identify them and send them to Broody Jail', and I have four hours until it's time to feed horses. Let's try to bang out an update. Voting closed, writing has begun.
Scheduled vote count started by BoneyM on Jan 13, 2021 at 7:09 PM, finished with 927 posts and 6 votes.
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...Uh, that vote count seems broken.
 
BoneyM said:
Alright, I've finished today's episode of 'of the five identical white chickens, three are broody, correctly identify them and send them to Broody Jail', and I have four hours until it's time to feed horses. Let's try to bang out an update. Voting closed, writing has begun.
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Yay! For everyone's entertainment, I will provide a great Tumblr post about chickens.
 
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