Aranfan
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There are a bunch of runed swords, almost all of them belonging to the Empire.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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There are a bunch of runed swords, almost all of them belonging to the Empire.
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Well, yes, but my point is that trying to claim Mathilde can't keep those could be a major diplomatic incident between Karaz Ankor and the Empire.
Nooooobody (who is sane, competent, and on the side of the empire) wants that.
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Ericwinter
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Eh, I don't really want to put that burden on her though. Like, remember when Mathilde couldn't even give the book over to the Colleges herself because they would kill her just for having possessed it? Personally I think we should either hand it to Belegar when we die—who as a dwarf wouldn't be able to use secrets and might not be met with the same response if he were to ferry it to the College—or just stick it in the deepest, darkest vault we can find with Kragg putting as much runic protection as Dwarvenly possible, and forget about it.
Hell, cut the middleman and just leave it to Kragg in our will. If he ever trusts another wizard enough to hand it to them to use, you know they will have earned it.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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That's... also a thought, yeah. Though given it's Kragg, I don't think he'd ever trust anyone. Then again, neither would the Colleges, so...
If your concern is to make sure this thing never gets used by a necromancer, then yes this is absolutely a much better plan than handing it over to Roswita.
In the meantime, well, you never know when it might come in handy!
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I am quite happy to have the Liber Mortis to go silent forever if we do not find someone we absolutely trust to not misuse it.
Leaving it into Kragg's care seems like a safest option.
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Mopman43
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They're out there.
The Sword of Justice, for instance, which was wielded in canon by Ludwig Schwarzhelm. Presumably it's in use right now by whoever Luitpold's champion is.
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How about sneaking Roswita a "minimally redacted Libre Mortis" that details the family history without including any of the details of magic it contains?
Include talk of the Skaven, and showing her ancestor's true story, just without the magical details. Then she could have the part of the family legacy she deserves without the dangers of the full one.
EDIT: Nah, that'd cost an AP to write, never going to happen.
Include talk of the Skaven, and showing her ancestor's true story, just without the magical details. Then she could have the part of the family legacy she deserves without the dangers of the full one.
EDIT: Nah, that'd cost an AP to write, never going to happen.
To be fair the Empire has the cult of Sigmar's version in case of Vampire apocalypse so it's not like we would be denying them that option. If they did not it would be morally questionable to just bury it like that IMO
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Well, possibly. The 8th edition Empire timeline said that Arkhan the Black stole it in 2453 while he attacked Altdorf with an undead army.
Actually, @BoneyM, I was curious- does Mathilde know if that attack happened in quest-canon?
While I doubt the Cult of Sigmar would let out that their copy was stolen, the attack itself would have been only 7 years before Mathilde entered the Colleges, and I'd assume she'd have at least heard about it if it happened.
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Well technically we don't know if they have it. They could easily have destroyed it at some point and nobody would know. Hell, the Liber Mortis isn't enchanted so in theory if you're an idiot you can lose a copy or parts of it to completely mundane deterioration by improper storage.
That's why Abelhelm was keen on giving it to someone he didn't think would destroy it, because with a book like this you pretty much have to assume you may very well have the only surviving copy. They don't really make them anymore, the few necromancers who have it would never bother to since they wouldn't share something so powerful.
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I find it dubious that he would have done so. Arkham was taught by Nagash. Why would he need a necromancy primmer written by Vlad in the hope of making it usable by a mortal?
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We may eventually be able to just openly say we have the Liber Mortis to the world. If we become so dangerous we do not need necromancy to bring down the Empire, then we are implicitly safe , because why would we need to use it? And why risk poking us? So our word will be affected as fact cuz they'll rather risk it be true .
Of course, we are far, far, far away from that level. But it is a way out too.
Of course, we are far, far, far away from that level. But it is a way out too.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Noted.Do you want Black Magister Mathilde? Because that is how you get Black Magister Mathilde.
I plan to take that secret of ours to the grave. Give it to Kragg or Belegar.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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I doubt he stole it because he wanted to learn from it.
He might have just been curious about this "Vanhel" all the Old World necromancers rave about.
Seems like a petty reason to attack the Cult of Sigmar. When not doing the direct bidding of Nagash Arkham is rather slow and cautious to act.
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Because it contains the second secret of Dhar - the ultimate weakness of anyone using the first secret. Steal it not in order to have it, but so that his enemies don't.
Because Vlad was legitimately the most skilled necromancer of his era, and an utter genius at making necromancy understandable. Nagash is paranoid and would not teach nearly as much.
I'm pretty sure Arkham knows the Second Secret. He had as much or more access to the Books of Nagash as Vlad, he is actually a magician before he is a warlord and again he was a student of the Great Necromancer before Vlad was a gleam in his father's eye.
Mopman43
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I think you missed the last part of his sentence.
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They're saying he took it so the Cult of Sigmar wouldn't have it.
Remember that use of the Second Secret is all that saved the Empire, once.
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So... Abelheim got this knowledge by reading 1 of the 9 (I think) books of Nagash and surviving the experience saneish.
Does that mean there are 18 secrets of dhar? 2 per book?
Does that mean there are 18 secrets of dhar? 2 per book?
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Oops. In my defense it's 11 PM here.
