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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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tapkomet said:
Adhoc vote count started by tapkomet on Jan 9, 2021 at 4:59 PM, finished with 1314 posts and 202 votes.
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Seems like we're either waiting around or talking to Kvellige. Personal preference for the latter, since I don't like relying on waiting.
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I think we can do both, really. Talk to them and if that gets nowhere wait a day. (Unless it goes badly in which case we get out of dodge.)
 
Byzantine said:
I think we can do both, really. Talk to them and if that gets nowhere wait a day. (Unless it goes badly in which case we get out of dodge.)
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We certainly can, and there's a good chance that we'll do the other if the first option doesn't yield much. Still, gotta decide what we do first.
 
I personally liked the Asuryan theory, really. He's the god of flame and the giver of life, and his flame emanates from a pyramid in scripture, which isn't that far off from a mountain.

If you're going to go with a single god to explain both the desert and the forest, he's one of the better picks - and dwarves worshipping an elf god would definitely be extra-heretical.

That said, it's completely plausible that the forest and the desert have two different sources.
 
BoneyM said:
There's none here. The Wastes aren't exactly bursting with greenery at the best of times, and the ground is solid rock here.
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Hmm, okay. Kind of weird that we can't even find a bit of lichen, since we're nowhere near the treeline, but I'm not sure if it could be used as evidence of anything.

Can we tell if the weather around here is particularly unnatural? For example, is there precipitation appearing out of nowhere, or water disappearing without becoming runoff or evaporating? Is there anything like enough water coming down to support the forest?
 
Vebyast said:
Hmm, okay. Kind of weird that we can't even find a bit of lichen, since we're nowhere near the treeline, but I'm not sure if it could be used as evidence of anything.

Can we tell if the weather around here is particularly unnatural? For example, is there precipitation appearing out of nowhere, or water disappearing without becoming runoff or evaporating? Is there anything like enough water coming down to support the forest?
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You saw one cloud chase down and eat another on the way here. It's likely that nothing you know about weather could apply to this situation.
 
Thanks for indulging my old questions folks. Did Belegar ever negotiate a better deal for K8P after he realized that Karaz-a-Karak benefits from the waystone network? (although he maybe doesn't realize that all the holds benefit from things like being protected from Chaos Storms and such by the runic functions powered by the waystone network)
 
ag3112 said:
Thanks for indulging my old questions folks. Did Belegar ever negotiate a better deal for K8P after he realized that Karaz-a-Karak benefits from the waystone network? (although he maybe doesn't realize that all the holds benefit from things like being protected from Chaos Storms and such by the runic functions powered by the waystone network)
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Belegar's understanding of it is that it is a theft. You don't negotiate with your robber.
 
CornyBones said:
The thing I keep coming back to is the desert. Why a desert? Why not more forest? What purpose does the transmuted desert serve, and why is it transmuting instead of powdering the rock?
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The desert could also be something that Dum wants. After all if the dessert keeps expanding it will take land from the tribes of the area and make it harder to attack Dum.
 
huh..... just crossed my mind.

but... are there any Oasis gods in Warhammer? not even 'desert oasis': but the god of 'things growing in spite of bad environment'?

because the more I'm reading about this Dum, the more it looks something is creating an Oasis in my head.
 
Hmm... do the forest and desert actually necessarily need to be related? Could we be looking at two separate landscape-altering effects here, not just one? It's a bit of a stretch, I know, but there being a random forest and a random desert doesn't seem to fit neatly into a single cause.
 
ag3112 said:
Thanks for indulging my old questions folks. Did Belegar ever negotiate a better deal for K8P after he realized that Karaz-a-Karak benefits from the waystone network? (although he maybe doesn't realize that all the holds benefit from things like being protected from Chaos Storms and such by the runic functions powered by the waystone network)
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He did not, and is Very AngryTM​ about Thorgrim "cheating" him, since he is unaware of the critical state the Throne of Power was in.
 
ag3112 said:
Thanks for indulging my old questions folks. Did Belegar ever negotiate a better deal for K8P after he realized that Karaz-a-Karak benefits from the waystone network? (although he maybe doesn't realize that all the holds benefit from things like being protected from Chaos Storms and such by the runic functions powered by the waystone network)
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He did not. He does not really have a proof of anything and you are right he does not know about what waystones are actually good for.
 
Now I can put words to what exactly probably happened. They've inverted the Runes of Valaya that protect the Karak and the people from Chaos.

NSMS said:
Hmm... do the forest and desert actually necessarily need to be related? Could we be looking at two separate landscape-altering effects here, not just one? It's a bit of a stretch, I know, but there being a random forest and a random desert doesn't seem to fit neatly into a single cause.
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Yes and no I suppose. Sand for lack of/less magic, forest for/more magic.
 
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Vebyast said:
The divine power that's transmuting the rock is sourced from...
  1. An Elven Deity is transmuting the rock
  2. Cor-Dum is transmuting the rock
  3. Power stolen from the Ancestor Gods is transmuting the rock
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4. Power from Ancestor Gods, given freely.
5. RANALD!!! (it steals the toughness / integrity of the stone)
6. Surprisingly, Mork, somehow.

And 4 isn't a joke, unlike 5 and 6.
 
BoneyM said:
You're still frowning. "So you're willing to worship Ulric, without yet knowing why you're worshipping Ulric?"

She shrugs and smiles. "He has power, He is here, and He is not actively malevolent. That is enough for a foundation. We have plenty of time to get to know each other."
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It occurs to me that thinking like this might be relevant to Dum and whoever they made a deal with for this desert effect.
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So we had a look into you, and when we realized that someone with an affinity for understanding magics is in Eight Peaks and working with the Dwarves, we had to speak with you. We've got our own piece of the network just as the Dwarves do, and if we could bring a few more Waystones online, it could do a lot of good for us - and our friends and allies. So we want to open a relationship with your King Belegar, in the hopes of beginning joint research into the Waystone Network."
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Funny thought, but I used to think this whole thing was basically saying they wanted Mathilde's expertise on restoring Waystones—which always struck me as unlikely to work out since she didn't actually have a hand in it—but now that I look back, they actually want her for her learning capabilities. Like, they don't expect her to actually know anything useful at the start, but expect her to be able to figure it out if given a chance. They expect her, a human, to work out Waystones where they can't. That's... flattering, actually. And funny when you realize her Windsight and Avatar trait just might make it possible.
 
BoneyM said:
Belegar's understanding of it is that it is a theft. You don't negotiate with your robber.
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Aww phooey.

Makes sense though. especially given that it's not something he can do anything about short of besmirching his crown or ... letting K8P fall even if he were inclined to be petty otherwise.

I hope behind the scenes Belegar or his underlings tweaked the noses of the Okral at every opportunity although at least Belegar himself seems too stiff to do that. It was so infuriating reading about them causing issues with the dwarves of K8P which I'm sure was the intent ha
 
CornyBones said:
Does sand make a good fertilizer?
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Nah. People add it to regular soil to improve drainage and such, but sand by itself can't support plant growth.
And what god could transmute sand?
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Nehekharan, mostly. There's these statue-monsters the Liche Priests can make that turn people into pillars of sand if you meet their gaze.
BoneyM said:
You saw one cloud chase down and eat another on the way here. It's likely that nothing you know about weather could apply to this situation.
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Was the hungry cloud at least predator-shaped?
 
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@BoneyM this might be too much of an ask but does your remark about it being surprisingly hard to put the pieces together when some of them were given well before one is looking for them applicable here as well? :whistle:
 
The odd thing about the desert to me is, what we have here isn't just desert-like sands - it's, in some bizzare way, a slice of a desert as though its context were being part of a larger one, with heat, heat haze, and all that jazz.

What I wonder is if this isn't some kind of longer term terraforming project - create unusable, unhospitable geography between chaos and the old world, century by century - possibly followed by beastman forest. Plausibility depends on if the radius is expanding at a fixed rate, or the area, I suppose.

Whatever they're doing though, chaos doesn't like it. The holdout pre-dating the colleges, a dwarf has a higher chance of being recognized as friend than Mathilde does.

But, and this is something... if Cor-Dum can recognize Borek, shouldn't he also be able to recognize that we are associated with him? But if so, what, exactly, was going on here?
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Wheels sink into sand as the Alriksson slows and then stops, your eyes locked on the figure as it tosses its head to and fro, sending energies arcing through the air with every motion. Most of what little you know of Beastmen comes from your former Master's stories, and what little he knew of Morghur was second-hand.
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BoneyM said:
As the demigod bellows once more but shows no sign of approaching, you risk a glance sideways at Borek, who'd become more and more glued to the prow as you grew nearer to his home.
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First he seems agitated (or just excited?) - bellowing, throwing energy around for some unknown purpose.
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Morghur simply watches,
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And then he calms down and stops the displays once Borek splits off from the group. Or at least, it looks like that.
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Morghur gives one final bellow before disappearing back into the forest, and you exhale.
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He lets Borek in, and bellows one last time.

Feels like he was holding back because Borek was with us (but possibly preparing to yoink him?), and then told us to fuck off once Borek was "safe". He treated Borek differently from the rest of the expedition; one way or another, we're not in the same category to him. If the bellowing is an aggression/warning display, well.

He's not going to like us coming closer.

@BoneyM , can we get confirmation of when exactly Cor-Dum started and stopped the bellowing/thrashing/energy displays?
 
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