Guile
Having a really great time right now
Speaking purely in tabletop terms, it only kicks in when a Wizard miscasts and rolls a double on the miscast table.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
Technically speaking, tabletop-wise he doesn't directly make it tougher (well, he sort-of does- he gives his side 2 extra dispel dice) but he punishes miscasts much higher.
If he's even semi frequently turning people into spawns it's going to be very noticeable.
I feel there are quite a few issues with staying around with not much in the way of rewards we can count on. First of all I think there's a better than 50% chance no one even fights in the next 24 hours. Second, even if they fight they may not bring in casters, and if they don't is that because they don't have them or because they know it would be a bad idea? Third, the longer we stay around here the more likely the other tribes will get suspicious of us for not fulfilling their expectations, if we immediately contact them we're setting the narrative before they've had much time to come to any conclusions. Meanwhile the only thing we're guaranteed by staying is conducting some longer term experiments, but really the marginal gain in information from those seem likely to be pretty low.
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- Location
- Canada
[X] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
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- He/Him
Right, following up on this. (original theorrizing)
[X] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
[X] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[X] Attempt to intercept a Kurgan war-party en route to attack the Karag and the Beastmen
-[X] With ranger support
First two are mainly because those are leading votes that don't hurt the situation. The last is my real aim: Proccing The Protector and trying to see if it will change Cor-Dum's stance towards us (and the rangers we take with us). If shit is whack down there such that it's dangerous to follow, it won't matter and we'll eventually have to pack up and leave, but if we're being told to keep our distance simply because we're outsiders, Ranald's Coin might be the foot in the door we need to change that.
[X] Propose new theory: Whatever the reason, Cor-Dum currently does not want us to approach.
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- Classified
So what does Gor-Dum translate to, Beast of Desolation?
*Hand-wave*
The first dawi to encounter him called him Gor-Dum. They died, but their deeds were recorded and sent back to the Karaz Ankor by humans. But their handwriting was terrible, the dawi scribes just shrugged and that's how we ended up with Cor-Dum.
Strange9
hdellaverson@gmail.com
- Location
- Los Angeles, CA
Somewhat unrelated to the current situation (and if you'd like me to stop the asides I'm happy to, just let me know), but [if it's within Mathilde's knowledge] @BoneyM it seems that basically every wizard can semi-trivially show that divine energies/spells aren't the same as arcane ones with their windsight. Those without an Avatar style trait can see/perceive the latter but not the former, and those with one can actually perceive a difference between them. Given this capability (and even if divine institutions disapprove of the study, surely some wizards would have seen divine power in action during e.g. the Great War against Chaos), why is Teclis' view that divine casters are just accidentally doing arcane magic with no divine involvement still taken seriously/taught? Is it a 'well, it doesn't seem to make much sense, but it was Teclis' kind of a thing?
I know/found that you clarified the difference between Volans' view and that of Teclis, but I didn't see a clarification about the (modern) colleges as an institution.
I know/found that you clarified the difference between Volans' view and that of Teclis, but I didn't see a clarification about the (modern) colleges as an institution.
Because Cults have a habit of explicitly detailing all the things they'd rather have done to the Colleges before they let them actually study divine magic whenever the topic comes up. And 'regular' Wizards can still perceive Divine magic, just not as well as the Arcane magic, and that could easily be because of familiarity with Arcane rather than anything else.
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NexusEye
Aspiring God
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- She/Her
Thank you for going to the effort of digging up visual evidence of GW's poor font choices @CuileHaha, you're totally right. They even have the C right there for comparison purposes. Check it out:
And what that other guy was talking about:
With the dash it's even clearer that it's Gave, not Grave.
Wild.
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
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The checkmark is the result rolled, 'canon' is the situation in Gotrek and Felix.
Regardless, we already knew that there were survivors, but on a slightly metagamey level this might(maybe?) imply that there are survivors that have taken enough casualties that they'd be interested in leaving, so long as they aren't faced with an unbearable shame in making the attempt.
@BoneyM If any survivors are interested in evacuation, yet are unwilling to face a reality where they have to account for the shame of the actions they've undertaken, Do we believe that there's anyone in the Grey College who would have a Mindhole mastery or variant that can wipe out the knowledge of what they've done?
(I've been assuming that the messages that people remember under specific circumstances are the result of a Mindhole mastery that gives the ability to have the knowledge resurface under chosen circumstances, with the one casting it teaching the students the knowledge, then wiping out memories of that teaching.)
The checkmark is the result rolled, 'canon' is the situation in Gotrek and Felix.
I agree on Horizontal axis, and mostly agree on the vertical axis, with the caveat that I'd think it's more something to do with the unorthodoxy of solutions tried, allowing a hypothetical scenario where they did something radical, then chaos did unfuck whatever they did by killing them all(for the red/red result).
Regardless, we already knew that there were survivors, but on a slightly metagamey level this might(maybe?) imply that there are survivors that have taken enough casualties that they'd be interested in leaving, so long as they aren't faced with an unbearable shame in making the attempt.
@BoneyM If any survivors are interested in evacuation, yet are unwilling to face a reality where they have to account for the shame of the actions they've undertaken, Do we believe that there's anyone in the Grey College who would have a Mindhole mastery or variant that can wipe out the knowledge of what they've done?
(I've been assuming that the messages that people remember under specific circumstances are the result of a Mindhole mastery that gives the ability to have the knowledge resurface under chosen circumstances, with the one casting it teaching the students the knowledge, then wiping out memories of that teaching.)
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Mindhole works because the thing being erased is thick with Ulgu, so even a Mastery wouldn't be able to selectively excise arbitrary parts of someone's memory. Also, doing that to a Dwarf has a significant chance of turning parts of their brain to stone.
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[x] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
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- World
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- They/Them
[x] Approach the Kul camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[x] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[x] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak with magic
[x] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak without magic
[x] Attempt to intercept a Kurgan war-party en route to attack the Karag and the Beastmen
[x] Ask for a volunteer to test Morghur's reputed ability to turn anyone using magic nearby into Chaos Spawn
[x] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[x] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak with magic
[x] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak without magic
[x] Attempt to intercept a Kurgan war-party en route to attack the Karag and the Beastmen
[x] Ask for a volunteer to test Morghur's reputed ability to turn anyone using magic nearby into Chaos Spawn
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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[x] Approach the Kul camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[x] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[x] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
So, I'd been assuming that the effect causing the desert was a transferal of some sort of effect from metaphorically stone dwarves to literally stone ground. Thus, what could turn a dwarf from metaphorically stone to metaphorically this specific kind of sand?
Last informal pull "staying overnight and look" was winning so it has a chance. That is good enough.
How could the Seed of Regrowth have saved Gotrek than? Or more a "better than nothing" situation?
- Location
- Poland
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- He/Him
Oh. So this is how Boney's End Times will go. Not Malekith the Phoenix King, but Belegar, master of both realms. (and I'll feel so bad for the poor fella)
- Location
- France
[x] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak
[x] Spy on a Kul or Kvelige warband that's preparing to attack the Dum without making actual contact if possible.
[x] Spectate the Tribes "testing against the Dum". Watch for Cor-Dum abilities and its effects on chaos tribes.
[x] Ask for a volunteer to approach Morghur to see if he can be communicated with
[x] Approach the Kul camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[x] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[x] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
[x] Attempt to approach Morghur to see if he can be communicated with
[x] Attempt to scout the forest at the base of the Karak
[x] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak with magic
[x] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak without magic
[x] Attempt to intercept a Kurgan war-party en route to attack the Karag and the Beastmen
[x] Ask for a volunteer to test Morghur's reputed ability to turn anyone using magic nearby into Chaos Spawn
[x] Spy on a Kul or Kvelige warband that's preparing to attack the Dum without making actual contact if possible.
[x] Spectate the Tribes "testing against the Dum". Watch for Cor-Dum abilities and its effects on chaos tribes.
[x] Ask for a volunteer to approach Morghur to see if he can be communicated with
[x] Approach the Kul camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[x] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[x] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
[x] Attempt to approach Morghur to see if he can be communicated with
[x] Attempt to scout the forest at the base of the Karak
[x] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak with magic
[x] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak without magic
[x] Attempt to intercept a Kurgan war-party en route to attack the Karag and the Beastmen
[x] Ask for a volunteer to test Morghur's reputed ability to turn anyone using magic nearby into Chaos Spawn
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I think the main issue is that this is the first named enemy from a setting that really likes to hype up its big bads. Shitting ourselves due to Morghur is akin to wanting to social and then mourning Gotrek. In comparison the mirror snake was just a mirror snake, Alkalazam was a Vampire with a funny name that didn't even manage to kill an inexperienced young bigot and the Shyshkebabs were loot that we didn't even know could cripple or kill us on a bad roll. And trying to convince SV not to read a book already in their possession was kind of a fool's errand anyway.
I see this again and again. What's the source for it? Has there been some Order agent that saw him try to peacefully hang out with his Goat buddies, only for them to turn into Chaos Spawn buddies to Morghur's dismay? For all we know it's anything from a self-"buff" that requires preparation and that he usually casts before going on raids and stuff to Morghur just not really liking most Beastmen either and cursing them more often than not.
It irks me that this ability is being used both as a warning of how impossibly dangerous he is and as evidence that he isn't who he seems he is because it isn't constantly happening when the creature we are talking about is a being that hasn't been seen since before the Colleges were founded.
Was this confirmed or inference?
Well, it could work in that specific case. Fill a closed and well isolated room with magic ice and when it magically disappears that doesn't mean that warmth magically reappears.
I did try. I voted for it. I don't want to know the results it would have gotten, because you probably don't know the results it would have gotten. I just wanted to know if reaching Dum before Borek and the convoy was a possibility at all.
I was thinking more of the sheer distances involved to hide something 2.4 km tall without itself being very high.
Do we know which side of the mountain the gate should be, as indicated by a compass? And/or whether it was at ground level or required an ascent from the outside?
Only if we are caught, no? I wasn't expecting us to let the Shaman leave alive.
That said, would declarations of war not also be valid write-ins? Intercepting a Kul or Kvelige Warparty is probably one too after all. As is stealing a holy Chaos artefact of considerable power.
I know that the main hassle would probably be to chase down and correct all instances, but story-wise, I don't think you had anything regarding the C/G discrepancy play a role within the actual chapters. New people reading through all of your comments in order would be mightily confused if you corrected it though.
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[x] Spy on a Kul or Kvelige warband that's preparing to attack the Dum without making actual contact if possible.
[x] Spectate the Tribes "testing against the Dum". Watch for Cor-Dum abilities and its effects on chaos tribes.
[x] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[x] Leave
[x] Spectate the Tribes "testing against the Dum". Watch for Cor-Dum abilities and its effects on chaos tribes.
[x] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[x] Leave
[X] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
I don't want to "approach the Kvellige" camp. I don't think they know anything that is of use to us, and it's a risk with very little upside. Like, what is the best possible case for the information we get from the Kvellige? Not that great, IMO. So I'm voting for the only option with the chance to beat it. And also:
[x] Leave
I don't want to "approach the Kvellige" camp. I don't think they know anything that is of use to us, and it's a risk with very little upside. Like, what is the best possible case for the information we get from the Kvellige? Not that great, IMO. So I'm voting for the only option with the chance to beat it. And also:
[x] Leave