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I've got a thought on that one: Mountains do eventually let dhar sink in. It's slow, but it happens. So rather than thinking of it as them being pulverised, they'd have been vaporised as every point within the mountain had a separate tiny explosion.
That would only happen if the entire mountain was nothing but Warpstone, and the explosion would have then taken a chunk of the continent with it.

Small amounts of Dhar could break the mountains apart, but then the area would not look like this, it would be a blasted land with chunks mountain littering the area for miles around it.
 
I've got a thought on that one: Mountains do eventually let dhar sink in. It's slow, but it happens. So rather than thinking of it as them being pulverised from outside or exploded outward from a single point, they'd have been vaporised as every point within the mountains had a separate tiny explosion. Meaning they'd go directly from rock to sand.

Seems like something the Kurgan would remember, assuming that when Borek left there was a mountain range, I think the Kurgan would remember that time a couple of mountains blew up. Of course thats hole with every theory, the Kurgan seem to think that the current situation is the way that things always were.
 
That would only happen if the entire mountain was nothing but Warpstone, and the explosion would have then taken a chunk of the continent with it.

Small amounts of Dhar could break the mountains apart, but then the area would not look like this, it would be a blasted land with chunks mountain littering the area for miles around it.
Hmmm, I disagree - dhar isn't a physical object normally and can flow through solid objects. So between any two sand-sized segments of the mountain there's a tiny amount of dhar. But it doesn't take all that much to create a tiny crack in the rock when it explodes.

It might not have gone straight to sand, it might have gone to small stones at first and then been ground down over a century or two, but it wouldn't have stopped at massive boulders because the dhar inside each of those boulders would still have exploded.

Seems like something the Kurgan would remember, assuming that when Borek left there was a mountain range, I think the Kurgan would remember that time a couple of mountains blew up. Of course thats hole with every theory, the Kurgan seem to think that the current situation is the way that things always were.
I mean, "as it has ever been" was in reference to the Dum, aka Cor-Dum. So it only really counts the time period in which Cor-Dum has been on guard - which starts after Borek left.
 
There's still civilian Runecraft. Like the reading and transcribing and bath heating Runes.
Once upon a time, we found a runic axe in one of our raids, and gave it to Kragg. He couldn't identify the runes in it, and was disheartened. He shared, that those may be civilian runes - for which he that used an entirely different dwarven term than normal runes - which are so long lost that he has no idea about how they are supposed to look. But then again, whose might be Chaos Dwarf runes, and studying those would be blasphemy. And he nad no idea which of the options it was.

I have no idea, what could that civilian runecraft do. But it is fully lost, according to Kragg.
 
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Hmmm, I disagree - dhar isn't a physical object normally and can flow through solid objects. So between any two sand-sized segments of the mountain there's a tiny amount of dhar. But it doesn't take all that much to create a tiny crack in the rock when it explodes.

It might not have gone straight to sand, it might have gone to small stones at first and then been ground down over a century or two, but it wouldn't have stopped at massive boulders because the dhar inside each of those boulders would still have exploded.


I mean, "as it has ever been" was in reference to the Dum, aka Cor-Dum. So it only really counts the time period in which Cor-Dum has been on guard - which starts after Borek left.
But it wouldn't work like that, if the rune was active then the Dhar would burn before entering the rock, and if it was activated after a large degree of filtration had already occurred then we would have smaller mountains sorrounded by deeper valleys.

But the area is a flat (or well, concave) desert, the only way that could happen is if the entire mountains were already saturated.

And that would be a very big boom, as in "Altdorf still remembers that day when all windows blew up" big.
 
And that would be a very big boom, as in "Altdorf still remembers that day when all windows blew up" big.
I'm not sure what your logic for it being a big boom is. I'm thinking it might be to do with that amount of warpstone?

If so, rock with dhar permeating it =/= warpstone; it could have less than 0.01% as much dhar in it as there is in warpstone.

And due to the fact Stone is an Excellent Insulator of Magic it might even be that the outer sections of the mountain had to be broken off and out of the way before the rune could touch the further in - so the mountain would "burn away" into sand, rather than outright exploding.

That actually sounds very plausible, although I'm not sure if it's true for runic magic.
 
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What was that fate exactly?
Trapped in the Chaos Wastes. Probably. Unless the proponents of 'dimensional shenanigans' turn out to have legs.
What's special about the Hammer of Fate? Wikis are not particularly informative here.
Big shrug. It was wielded by King Thangrim Firebeard, so it's probably similar to Belegar's Ironhammer in terms of power and historical value.

Which, uh, if we're going by tabletop terms, is not super great. We have better gear than Belebro.
 
With so many theories and action votes i wouldn't be surprised if Boney winds up taking most of the votes to the cutting room floor and doing a run-off vote of the most popular choices.
 
I may have additional point to the riddle. Morghur is there for a long time. It likely died multiple times with other tribes 'testing themselves' over him. Morghur is unkillable though and keeps being reborned.

But whom he is being reborned from?

What Dum runesmiths could do is to make him reborn from volunteer dwarf. Sacrifice one of their number for their main defence to come back to life, here and now, to continue defence. And runesmiths made it so some part of sacrifice's mind and soul remains.
- It explains shame of Botrek. It's sin agains everything dawi are.
- It explains why Morghur does not attack dwarves (over multiple rebirths he come to see them as allies/parents)
- It explains why Morghur did thing as 'stand aside' which is not gesture of mindless bestmen. Remnants of souls consumed and minds shattered.
- It explains why his nature may have changed.
- It explains why he sees Karak as his heardstone. For is home for some part of it.

It does not explain change in Dum surrounding, but it fits nicely in make other regards.
So, y'know what's weird?

What is Morghur ever reborn from? We have one example of Morghur being born to humans 300 years ago, but he tends to be reborn (or as sometimes they call it, 'emerging' or 'arising') in the depths of the darkest, most twisted woods around.

Why would there be pregnant women or human babies deep in the Drakwald, or the Forest of Shadows, or the Forest of Arden's rotting heart?
 
One thing I'm convinced of is that the continued Waystone energy indicates that Karag Dum remains loyal to Karaz Ankor even if they have deviated from its standards and values. And I think we can work with that.
 
So, y'know what's weird?

What is Morghur ever reborn from? We have one example of Morghur being born to humans 300 years ago, but he tends to be reborn (or as sometimes they call it, 'emerging' or 'arising') in the depths of the darkest, most twisted woods around.

Why would there be pregnant women or human babies deep in the Drakwald, or the Forest of Shadows, or the Forest of Arden's rotting heart?
They way I figure it works is he's born in some tiny village which immediately is destroyed with no survivors left announce his return, and then little baby Morghur crawls off into the forest where he attains the fullness of his power. Or maybe he's always born to a Chaos Cultist or crazy person (quite possibly driven crazy by the presence of Morghur in their body) who does go into the woods.

Because it's Chaos who makes him be reborn, so they could arrange any of that with ease, instead of making him be born in a dwarf hold like morons.
 
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I have to say that the longer I think about that last update, the more my overwhelming opinion is, fuck you Borek.

Seriously, what an asshole. I don't care how ashamed he is, he had a goddamn obligation to this Expedition. He was the leader. He was in charge, and he just mumbles some cryptic words to the wizard who happens to be standing beside him at the time and hops over the side then fast-walks to the forest. Even if he had been going Slayer, that would have been terrible behavior. Gather the Expedition leadership, give everybody some words of thanks, reassure them their efforts were appreciated, and show a little damn dignity. Hundreds of people putting their necks out to escort him home, and he showed about as much concern or gratitude as- I don't even know what.

I am going to go edit:

[] ACTION: Screw you, Borek.

into my vote. That's not a meme vote; that's how I think Mathilde should feel over worrying that she owes Borek money. She may technically owe him money, but she don't owe him no respect. I advise all of you to do the same.
 
Regarding the fear that Chaos Dum might poison the Waystone network: There are corrupted Waystones all over the world. If the network didn't have some means of filtering out Dhar, the whole thing would have exploded millenia ago.
 
People are going for some wild and ambitious theories in a commendable effort to resolve the mist-ery all at once. However, I would prefer to offer a more restrained and founded one. It is, therefore, rather unimpressive.

[X] THEORY: The forest and it's beastman-like denizens seem to function as a regenerating ablative defence of the Karak. In doing so the intensity and rate of attack against the Karak is lessened. In these circumstances it is possible the dwarfs within remain alive and at least the Karak's waystone infrastructure has survived.
[X] ACTION: We should set up camp and use the next three to five days to attempt to contact or enter the Karak, as well as verify the reactive nature of the ablative defence.
[X] ACTION: Gain more information

Basically, we lack the information to come to a founded conclusion on what has happened to the Karak as a whole. We can however examine the situation immediately before us and generate a theory which can guide our immediate actions.

If the defensive line is reactive over a little less than a week we can assume the danger of an immediate beastman invasion from here is unlikely. If we can contact or enter the karak we can directly ascertain it's state.

In taking these basic steps within a defined timeframe we will have put forth all reasonable effort to fulfill our mission and inform future actions. If these measures fail to provide useful data we may return home in the knowledge we did our due diligence.
 
One thing I'm convinced of is that the continued Waystone energy indicates that Karag Dum remains loyal to Karaz Ankor even if they have deviated from its standards and values. And I think we can work with that.
Problems with that idea:

1. Nobody else knows that.
2. We can't tell them that without breaching major secrets of the Karaz Ankor.
3. If Mathilde is seen being friendly with Karag Dum, the logical conclusion for anyone who doesn't know about the Waystone is that Mathilde is being friendly with clear traitors to the Karaz Ankor for no good reason, and so has also been corrupted.
 
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Problems with that idea:

1. Nobody else knows that.
2. We can't tell them that without breaching major secrets of the Karaz Ankor.
3. If Mathilde is seen being friendly with Karag Dum, the logical conclusion for anyone who doesn't know about the Waystone is that Mathilde is being friendly with clear traitors to the Karaz Ankor, and so has also been corrupted.
The most voted for theory vote basically attempts to voice that without going into classified detail.
 
Problems with that idea:

1. Nobody else knows that.
2. We can't tell them that without breaching major secrets of the Karaz Ankor.
3. If Mathilde is seen being friendly with Karag Dum, the logical conclusion for anyone who doesn't know about the Waystone is that Mathilde has also been corrupted.
We can tell them enough - we can tell them that the Karag is actively damaging Chaos and preventing the growth of the Chaos Wastes.

We just can't tell them how, or about the fact it can be tapped into for something.

And the logical conclusion really isn't "The wizard we have with us who is immune to ambient Dhar and has recently brought a dwarfhold back from the realm of chaos using secrets she's not allowed to share has suddenly converted to Chaos" it's "why the hell does she know so many secrets about dwarfholds that she's not allowed to share even with dwarves!?"
 
I have to say that the longer I think about that last update, the more my overwhelming opinion is, fuck you Borek.

Seriously, what an asshole. I don't care how ashamed he is, he had a goddamn obligation to this Expedition. He was the leader. He was in charge, and he just mumbles some cryptic words to the wizard who happens to be standing beside him at the time and hops over the side then fast-walks to the forest. Even if he had been going Slayer, that would have been terrible behavior. Gather the Expedition leadership, give everybody some words of thanks, reassure them their efforts were appreciated, and show a little damn dignity. Hundreds of people putting their necks out to escort him home, and he showed about as much concern or gratitude as- I don't even know what.

I am going to go edit:

[] ACTION: Screw you, Borek.

into my vote. That's not a meme vote; that's how I think Mathilde should feel over worrying that she owes Borek money. She may technically owe him money, but she don't owe him no respect. I advise all of you to do the same.
You're not wrong. But keep in mind that Borek belongs to a race who regularly stew over their problems and matters of honor until it breaks them. They then go to seek their Doom by climbing down a troll's throat at the first opportunity.

Dwarves are kind of emo, when you think about it. You know, racially.

Borek's presumably been riding the edge of clinical depression for over seven times longer than Mathilde's been alive.
Problems with that idea:

1. Nobody else knows that.
2. We can't tell them that without breaching major secrets of the Karaz Ankor.
3. If Mathilde is seen being friendly with Karag Dum, the logical conclusion for anyone who doesn't know about the Waystone is that Mathilde is being friendly with clear traitors to the Karaz Ankor for no good reason, and so has also been corrupted.
Depends on if they can trust her word when she says 'Due to guild secrets I can't disclose, I have reason to believe that Karag Dum has not turned to the worship of Chaos. Somehow. Fuck knows. Belegar and Thorgrim could back me up on this, though.'
 
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Depends on if they can trust her word when she says 'Due to guild secrets I can't disclose, I have reason to believe that Karag Dum has not turned to the worship of Chaos. Somehow. Fuck knows. Belegar and Thorgrim could back me up on this, though.'
There are also other signs that we can point to that at least indicate that they haven't turned to Chaos, like the fact that there's actually less Dhar in the area than would be expected of this latitude.
 
The most voted for theory vote basically attempts to voice that without going into classified detail.
"They view fighting Chaos with Chaos as a lesser evil" is not the same as "They're still loyal to the Karaz Ankor".


We can tell them enough - we can tell them that the Karag is actively damaging Chaos and preventing the growth of the Chaos Wastes.
Aside from inflicting attrition on Chaos worshippers, that is pure conjecture. We have zero evidence that Karag Dum is inhibiting the Wastes anywhere but directly around itself.


Depends on if they can trust her word when she says 'Due to guild secrets I can't disclose, I have reason to believe that Karag Dum has not turned to the worship of Chaos. Somehow. Fuck knows. Belegar and Thorgrim could back me up on this, though.'
At a guess? Enough to not immediately dismiss Mathilde as nuts, not nearly enough to have non-zero trust for anything Karag Dum says, does or provides.

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There are also other signs that we can point to that at least indicate that they haven't turned to Chaos, like the fact that there's actually less Dhar in the area than would be expected of this latitude.
Many dark sorcerers try to shield themselves from excess dhar. It doesn't make them any less guilty of Abominable Acts (or local equivalent)... and the dhar always catches up to them eventually.
 
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Aside from inflicting attrition on Chaos worshippers, that is pure conjecture. We have zero evidence that Karag Dum is inhibiting the Wastes anywhere but directly around itself.
That is what Waystones do. It's a major reason the network was created in the first place.

This is common knowledge in the colleges of magic - waystones are for draining the winds into the vortex in elfland so that the world doesn't become chaos wastes.

We've learnt that the energy being drained can also be put to use, and that dwarves have a separate network, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still draining energy and reaffirming reality.
 
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"They view fighting Chaos with Chaos as a lesser evil" is not the same as "They're still loyal to the Karaz Ankor".
That's what the subtext is. If they're not loyal to the Karaz Ankor, then we would not expect them to fight Chaos, and we would not expect the Waystone to be sending pure energy. Granted, it could be that they were in collusion with the faction that held Karak Vlag. But the phrase 'lesser evil' implicitly holds the notion that some greater evil, namely Chaos, is being avoided.
 
Many dark sorcerers try to shield themselves from excess dhar. It doesn't make them any less guilty of Abominable Acts (or local equivalent)... and the dhar always catches up to them eventually.
Yeah, sorcerors do that. Settlements don't.

Like, you don't get a polity that openly worships Chaos for what is at least a few generations (judging by how Dum "was as it always is") without getting some above average Dhar generation. It's pretty much why the Chaos Wastes are Wastes.
 
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