Look this placed is doomed either it's overwhelmed eventually, corrupted by what it did to survive, or if by some miracle the wastes retreat every inhabitant will go slayer over what they did to survive. There is nothing here to save its time to go back. Even with just this we have achieved more than was ever expected to be achieved in the first place.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Regimand: "Mathilde, you've returned from the waste! How was it?"
Mathilde, wailing: "It was awful!"
Regimand: "What happened? Kurgan? Beastmen? Demons!?"
Mathilde, breaking down and sobbing: "Worse! I had to admit I didn't know anything!"
Regimand, hugging Mathilde: "Oh dear, oh dear, gorgeous."
Based upon the following:
(I had an idea for a full omake, but I got lazy so you get this five sentence gag instead. Apologies for the inconvenience).
Mathilde, wailing: "It was awful!"
Regimand: "What happened? Kurgan? Beastmen? Demons!?"
Mathilde, breaking down and sobbing: "Worse! I had to admit I didn't know anything!"
Regimand, hugging Mathilde: "Oh dear, oh dear, gorgeous."
Based upon the following:
(I had an idea for a full omake, but I got lazy so you get this five sentence gag instead. Apologies for the inconvenience).
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Our job is to establish what happened to Karag Dum and to evacuate what Dawi are able to be saved.
We still don't know what happened -all our theories have holes in them large enough to sail one of my ships through- and even if the Karak has definitely fallen to Chaos that doesn't mean every individual in it has.
I, for one, do not intend to sully Belegar by only doing a half-assed job.
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Okay, in the general "it's a Waystone" sense, yes. Still not evidence that Karag Dum hasn't gone "fight Chaos with Chaos", but it's something?
Also, I'm pretty sure Dum are fighting Chaos with Chaos, even if they've insulated themselves from the effects.
When fighting Chaos, the enemy of your enemy is not automatically your friend. Chaos factions fight each other all the time. And once again, all we can say about the Waystone is that Dum is inhibiting the Wastes to some extent.
Given Borek's attitude and the visible situation, there is no way for Dum to not be declared traitors to the Karaz Ankor (save nobody from the Expedition returning home alive.)
Guile
Having a really great time right now
I'm on Team Good Karag Dum too, but I have to point out: Chaos fights Chaos all the time.
The local Kurgan tribes raid each other as often as they do Kislev.
The Chaos Daemons at Vlag were murdering each other even as we dragged their prize back to Mallus.
Fire Dwarves are the only weirdos who try to enforce order on Chaos.
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- some computer lab
"terrible news, there may or may not be a new chaos aligned polity."
"May or may not? "
"Yeah, there are a lot of theories, only a few of which actually involve that"
"Okay Lady Magister Weber, what can you tell us about their numbers and capabilities"
"Dunno, it was too spooky for me."
"Well then Thane Mathilde, have they done anything grudgeworthy in the eyes of the Dawi?"
"Dunno, it looks like super grudgeworthy, but maybe not, I didn't check because it was spooky"
"May or may not? "
"Yeah, there are a lot of theories, only a few of which actually involve that"
"Okay Lady Magister Weber, what can you tell us about their numbers and capabilities"
"Dunno, it was too spooky for me."
"Well then Thane Mathilde, have they done anything grudgeworthy in the eyes of the Dawi?"
"Dunno, it looks like super grudgeworthy, but maybe not, I didn't check because it was spooky"
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- Manchester, UK
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Yeah, it's not proof that they're not fighting Chaos with Chaos, it's just evidence that they're actually fighting Chaos, rather than just "having fun in Khornate Combat with Chaos" or somesuch.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Now now, let's be fair here.
The fact that Mathilde was born has already been declared a grudge, so I'm pretty sure we can assume that someone in Karag Dum did something within the last 180 years that would also count.
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- somewhere over there.
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Pretty sure that if we turn back now, the story we tell will be "Karag Dum has fallen, and unless we get real lucky we're about to have another flavor of evil dwarves and or Morghur coming from up north" for the empire, and "Dum has turned its back on the ancestors and their ways. The do not ask for forgiveness, only that I pass on that they did this with shame and regret in their hearts, rather than malice. Whatever inhabits that forsaken mountain now is no kin to you" for the dwarves.
edit: that'll teach me to try and edit phrasing in a thread this busy
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- Manchester, UK
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- He/They
The forces of Chaos fight each other, but none of them try to reduce the amount of Chaos in the world. They want to have all the Chaos Pie to themselves, but they're not going to throw slices that they've got ahold of into the waystone network.
Fighting the Kurgan isn't evidence against them being Chaos-aligned, but the waystone is.
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- some computer lab
So... A lie then, or at least doing a leap to conclusions that would impress The Hulk.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
100% of the Karag Dum Dawi we know about have literally asked for forgiveness.
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And 100% of the Karag Dum dawi we know about still pray to the ancestor gods.
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- somewhere over there.
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- They/It
Didn't he just ask us to say that they tried their best?
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
13th Bee
Worker
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- Tennessee, USA.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Yes, that is all he asked us to say, but it isn't all that he said.
"May the Ancestors forgive us" is not the words of someone who has abandoned te Ancestors and seek no forgiveness for it.
So if you want Mathilde to deliver a deliberately false report I suppose she could say that.
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The leaps in logic are purposeful, and are me trying to imitate where Matty's head would have to be to leave now instead of poking things for more info.
That's fair, I should have reread that before writing that up.
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consequences
Not A Nice Person At All
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Or a series of explosions over an extended period of time that ground them down. I keep coming back to the roll chart, and how we are in one column the same as Canon Dum, but the other end of the scale. What if the Runemasters found a way to twist the flow of time in order to grant them the one thing the Dawi never have against their foes, time to replenish losses? The Kurgan retreat for the season, and Dum has however much time it needs to grow and train a new generation.
Not sure how Cor-Dum fits into that theory, on multiple levels. It may be a matter of them also artificially replenishing the beastman population by leaving goats outside the Karag.
Narratively, we have the example of Bok showing that Runes can be carved into a soul structure or what passes for one. We have apparition binding and familiars being grafted connections onto an existing soul. We have as already stated several times the Canon example of shard dragons being enslaved by runic collars. We also have Dawi having knowledge that arcane marks are in fact a modification of soul structure.
So the runemasters and royal family having a means to control Cory Feldman, or create their own isn't impossible. Whether it's more or less unlikely than other possibilities, heckifIknow.
Also, a thought that occurs. Kickflips are radical and all, but unless done perfectly tend to result in breakage. This metaphor may or may not have been deliberately waiting for this moment.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
| Karag Dum stands empty. | Canon; guerilla war inside Dum. | Fully functioning Dwarf Hold; they'll be sending an envoy to the Traditional Council of Traditionalists next spring. |
| Karag Dum is a smoking crater. | BINGO | Runemasters say hi. Also, 'I told you so.' |
"Cold green light streamed over their shoulders and the spectre forms of ancient dwarven warriors cleaved through the horde with a furious vengeance..." | Cor Dum | New Chaos Faction. |
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The idea that we're slacking off for not fighting Morghur the Shadowgave after Borek just shook hands with him is absurd. We've got no reason IC to believe that he's not Morghur, other than him not being quite as warping as we think he ought to be.
[X] THEORY: Based on Guild and Dwarf secrets we can tell that Karag Dum is slowing the spread of the Chaos Wastes.
[X] THEORY: The Dwarves of Karag Dum did something to burn away the taint of Chaos, much as your Belt of the Unshackled Mountain does, but on a far grander scale. Perhaps it had an effect on the Beastmen here, Cor-Dum included.
[X] THEORY: The burning of Dhar or purifying it by whatever process Karag Dum has makes the temperature higher, could potentially be the reason why the desert exist.
[X] THEORY: There's some sort of strange illusion magic going on, and it's not visible even to extremely good mage sight. Out of all known sources of magic only Dawi Runes are capable of that - so the works of Dawi Runesmiths are still in use.
[X] THEORY: This could be a Rune-based Illusion with "Morghur" being a Runemaster. The Dawi of Karag Dum let the forces of Chaos assume that Dum has fallen and is surrounded by Beastmen forces so they don't all unite to attack the Hold together and instead only come in smaller groups to "test" themselves against another chaotic force.
[x] THEORY: Physical signs point to Morghur having been holding the area against nomad raiders for a very long time, and history implies that he's not been seen in the old world since approximately when Karag Dum would have come under attack during the Great War against Chaos. He's been here this whole time.
[X] ACTION: Gain more information
[x] ACTION: Expedition: Digs in; Mathilde: Investigates
[x] ACTION: Infiltrate Karag Dum to gather information.
[x] ACTION: Mathilde will infiltrate the hold and look for more answers. In the mean time the convoy should circle the Steam-Wagons and avoid provoking a fight they can't win. If she has not returned within 24 hours they should turn back and attempt to make their way back to civilisation to inform the Karaz Ankor, Empire and Kislev what they found.
[X] THEORY: The Dwarves of Karag Dum did something to burn away the taint of Chaos, much as your Belt of the Unshackled Mountain does, but on a far grander scale. Perhaps it had an effect on the Beastmen here, Cor-Dum included.
[X] THEORY: The burning of Dhar or purifying it by whatever process Karag Dum has makes the temperature higher, could potentially be the reason why the desert exist.
[X] THEORY: There's some sort of strange illusion magic going on, and it's not visible even to extremely good mage sight. Out of all known sources of magic only Dawi Runes are capable of that - so the works of Dawi Runesmiths are still in use.
[X] THEORY: This could be a Rune-based Illusion with "Morghur" being a Runemaster. The Dawi of Karag Dum let the forces of Chaos assume that Dum has fallen and is surrounded by Beastmen forces so they don't all unite to attack the Hold together and instead only come in smaller groups to "test" themselves against another chaotic force.
[x] THEORY: Physical signs point to Morghur having been holding the area against nomad raiders for a very long time, and history implies that he's not been seen in the old world since approximately when Karag Dum would have come under attack during the Great War against Chaos. He's been here this whole time.
[X] ACTION: Gain more information
[x] ACTION: Expedition: Digs in; Mathilde: Investigates
[x] ACTION: Infiltrate Karag Dum to gather information.
[x] ACTION: Mathilde will infiltrate the hold and look for more answers. In the mean time the convoy should circle the Steam-Wagons and avoid provoking a fight they can't win. If she has not returned within 24 hours they should turn back and attempt to make their way back to civilisation to inform the Karaz Ankor, Empire and Kislev what they found.
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Honestly, my assumption is that they replenish the beastman population by converting the Kurgan with Cor-Dum.