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...Is this saying we can't use it for that? Because last I remember you had said we could use a boon to at least get permission to open a branch college focused on research, and maybe another to fund and equip it?

An Imperial branch that just happens to be located within Karak Eight Peaks is one thing, an explicitly international institution is another altogether.
 
I'll point out that Karak Vlag should have actually been the friendliest hold to magic users when they were stolen, because they live near both Kislev and Praag. Praag used to be the center of magical research in the Old World, and Kislev's Hags and Ice Witches have had major roles in their society for hundreds of years.

Well, the centre of magical research outside Bretonnia, Laurelorn, and Athel Loren. And whatever was happening with Marienberg's own college of magic.
 
An Imperial branch that just happens to be located within Karak Eight Peaks is one thing, an explicitly international institution is another altogether.
"This is a branch college, bound to the colleges in Altdorf, that just happens to have a lot of wizards that work with Runesmiths (ideally)" vs. "This is a joint-project by the Colleges of Magic and the Runesmith Guild of the Karaz Ankor, with a whole tangled knot of Quest Title"?
 
Ranald after receiving an enquiry from the Karaz Ankor Conclave, 2486, colourised:

So if this is canon, it means that Ranald is likely didn't try to inform the Dwarves himself, and also didn't try to trick the pantheon that a non-dwarven souled Mathilde was actually a dwarf, two of the leading alternate explanations. Guys, I think we're a dwarf. All the other explanations make little sense.
 
Just a quick question. Who was the Patriarch of the Grey College during Mathilde's apprenticeship? I'm thinking about expanding.my time travel idea into an actual omake.
 
Yep. Legally, those are two completely different entities.
So the Great Deeds aren't really usable there... but we could try to talk to the Colleges themselves? Or the Articles don't allow for international projects like that? I'm just trying to understand if this is a jurisdiction issue, or you're saying it's impossible.
 
So if this is canon, it means that Ranald is likely didn't try to inform the Dwarves himself, and also didn't try to trick the pantheon that a non-dwarven souled Mathilde was actually a dwarf, two of the leading alternate explanations. Guys, I think we're a dwarf. All the other explanations make little sense.
I'm pretty sure the dwarves asked Ranald about Mathilde, and he failed his will save not to fuck with them. Instead, he told them he stole a dawi soul from the warp, and what are they going to do about it, not be grateful for the recovered holds?
 
It's very hard to come up with a reading of the Articles that would allow for the Empire's involvement in an international magic research center.

Of course, the Articles are laws of man, not a holy book. The Emperor, with the support of the other notables of the Empire, could amend them.

Not that it would be done casually, but the alliance with the dwarves is the Empire's oldest pledge. It's far older than the Articles in fact. If a dwarven king were to issue an invitation, "Let us jointly study magic for the benefit of the Empire of Sigmar and the Karaz Ankor," well... it
at least not beyond conception to see the Empire going, "Let's do it and be legends."
 
If Mathilde has a Dwarf soul then "having a Dwarf soul" doesn't actually mean anything tangible. Her behavior is (Ulgu) Human and her mental and supernatural abilities are (Ulgu) Human.
This has some interesting implications, could it result in the Dwarfs looking at humans differently, it might not be some natural thing that their work ends up so shoddy if someone with a dwarf soul can end up acting just like one when raised like one.
 
So the Great Deeds aren't really usable there... but we could try to talk to the Colleges themselves? Or the Articles don't allow for international projects like that? I'm just trying to understand if this is a jurisdiction issue, or you're saying it's impossible.

My dude, you are missing the point. Do we care that officially it's an imperial institution if de facto it's an international one?

It gets the job done.
 
So the Great Deeds aren't really usable there... but we could try to talk to the Colleges themselves? Or the Articles don't allow for international projects like that? I'm just trying to understand if this is a jurisdiction issue, or you're saying it's impossible.

Under Imperial jurisdiction, magic can only be studied or performed by Magisters. Any international magical research project would have the problem that it would be bringing non-Magisters into Imperial jurisdiction for the purposes of studying magic, which is automatically a breach of the Articles.

Of course, the Articles are laws of man, not a holy book.

The lines are a little blurred when it comes to Magnus the Pious.

Ah, that actually makes me think...

@BoneyM, is this a comparable situation to the Gunnery School being set up in K8P, just with a great deal more weight because it's magic instead of cannons?

Not really. The Gunnery School being set up in K8P was like if the High Elves asked for a branch college to be built on Ulthuan.
 
Ah, that actually makes me think...

@BoneyM, is this a comparable situation to the Gunnery School being set up in K8P, just with a great deal more weight because it's magic instead of cannons?
I feel like the Gunnery School is a very different animal as far as the empire is concerned.

They can only really learn stuff of the dwarfs in that area, e.g they have a lot higher chance of learning dwarf secrets than the other way around.

when it comes to magic, it's a bit more in the air who will give up/lose trade secret first.

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So, now's it's time to think about things, all political like.

How can we draw the borders so that each side is happy and autonomous, yet full of happy coincidences where a runesmith goes "Bah! if only I had a way to better see the flow of those blasted winds I could have finished this project years ago!" and a student is like "Why do these things keep exploding? if only I had some way to better tame the winds into predictable, controlled parts!" and then they stare at each other from across the hall.
 
It is not any real thing in lore. It is not even a gossip. It is literally fucking opera.
By my understanding, our most recent in depth look on Kislev is "Realm of the Ice Queen" where, apart from the mention of the opera, there are like three different mentions of something strange and powerful buried beneath Praag, INCLUDING one that's about the hag witches basically leaving Praag to it's own devices in part because of older and more powerful hag witches going 'don't worry about there, there's something buried beneath Praag that'll look out for Praag even if we're not there." Arianka specifically might not be part of the current canon, but SOMETHING being underneath Praag is and canon is very eager to gesture in Arianka's direction.
 
My dude, you are missing the point. Do we care that officially it's an imperial institution if de facto it's an international one?

It gets the job done.
I'm trying to figure out if it's a blanket "you can't do that" or a "they can't say no." Case in point:
Under Imperial jurisdiction, magic can only be studied or performed by Magisters. Any international magical research project would have the problem that it would be bringing non-Magisters into Imperial jurisdiction for the purposes of studying magic, which is automatically a breach of the Articles.
This is a hard no. Thus, joint research project does not work. We could still make a branch college though. It'll just mean less cooperation.
 
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