[X] HALL: No
[X] MEAT: Yes
[X] ARM: No
[X] NUT: Yes
[X] PAPERS: Yes
[X] MEAT: Yes
[X] ARM: No
[X] NUT: Yes
[X] PAPERS: Yes
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Location
- Earth
They have an information network good enough to track a LM Grey across the Empire. Keeping track of who goes into their own strongholds should be a no brainer.
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- Goose Land
First, WoG is that the Expedition is operating on an effective Budget of "Yes" for the purpose of mundane currency (because they're Dwarves), with the real resource issue being Storage and Food.
Matty dropping two grand on Weird Magic Shit is kinda hefty from our perspective, but doesn't actually affect the Expedition's available budget in terms of buying power.
Second, there are several practical reasons to get these things.
While Matty isn't aware of it ICly, the Magic Gold Robot Arm is damn similar to an Artifact that murders Demons good, and if we're able to get it working then we've picked up an answer to Bloodthirster tier enemies, which is something we should be expecting to see at Dum. "I have a good feeling about it" is honestly a valid enough explanation as the Head Magic Person of the group, especially with the rep we just established with pulling a whole Karak out of the Warp.
The Nut is a Life Magic power source which is at minimum useful for our Magic Healy Roots in a pinch.
The papers admittedly are a more personal purchase, but Lizard Lore is rare as hell and compared to the total spent so far it's barely a drop in the bucket.
All told, this doesn't actually limit the Expedition's ability to buy things and potentially provides us with Magical Tools that are very relevant to our overall objective of reclaiming Dum.
[x] HALL: No
[x] MEAT: Yes
[x] ARM: No
[x] NUT: No
[x] PAPERS: Yes
[x] MEAT: Yes
[x] ARM: No
[x] NUT: No
[x] PAPERS: Yes
Sure, if you had never turned it on before. If someone decided to make a knock-off lizardman prosthetic that turns into a Dhar bomb when used, just to take a shot at us on the off chance we not only came to Uzkalak, but also found it and decided to buy it? Yeah, that's firmly in the Wile E. Coyote school of schemes, and I'm perfectly fine with taking that risk.
Also, the belt means it probably wouldn't even kill us.
Don't care, gib shiny.
- Location
- Goose Land
Not for people who aren't Chaos Dwarves.
We can pay for storage, but there's no actual gurantee that it won't get stolen by the time we come back for it.
Hypothetically yes, realistically it would have been Tainted already if that's what it did.
It's not like there was a demon of the Schemer running around burning our food caches making it more likely we will visit here or anything....
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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- Places
I'm actually starting to get worried that people are going to essentially suicide mission Mathilde into releasing a bunch of untrained malnourished and unarmed slaves in the middle of an incredibly well fortified city full of Chaos dwarfs, Dark Elves and Hobgoblins.
On the way back.
On the way back.
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- Location
- Burgundian Netherlands
Oddly enough, my first thought too. Thought It'd be pretty unlikely that a bored doorguard would correctly identify us as an ulgu wizard at a glance (unless he has windsight). I imagined it was a way to ask those in the know where their allegiances lie, black being chaos-affiliated, grey neutral or otherwise non-order, thrall as a general category for those representing someone else/not here on their own account, and incognito to those unwilling to say (and/or nominally order-affiliated). As to why: maybe some privileges are extended to blacks? Maybe they keep statistics? Asking if you're doing business on someone else's account would make sense in this context too.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
I am 100% in favor of such now that we have seen the hive of villainy.
On the way back.
13th Bee
Worker
- Location
- Tennessee, USA.
Don't be, No is winning out over Yes by about ~250 to ~20.
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NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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- Places
What does that actually achieve other than getting them all and possibly us killed?
- Location
- Earth
Here's an analogy that might help explain some of the objections:
It's like being asked to pick up a pizza with your roommate's credit card, and then coming back upstairs with a new TV and gaming PC on the expenses list. While yes, you're good for it, and you are paying it back, it's not quite what was expected of you to do. Oh, and the electronics were made by sweatshop labor.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
That's why they said "on the way back".
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Kills a bunch of slavers. Might inspire a general slave revolt. Might even win, although I admit it isn't as likely.
And of all the possible guises said scheme could take, it's the arm? Not the seed?
Honestly, if it turns out that it is a plot, or a clever way for Boney to punish people for metagaming too hard (though really, a magical prosthetic is all kinds of interesting) then I'm not even going to be upset.
I don't know about other people, but I have no intention of stopping in here on the way back, and I don't expect we'll be in any shape to do so anyway.
Mathilde is also highly likely to be familiar with Nehekaran script from having sorted through all of those coins from their various dynasties of theirs, regardless of whether that knowledge would be typical for a College Wizard. She probably doesn't understand it, but could probably give a yes/no answer on if a given sample of writing was Nehekaran or not.
I'm pretty sure that a momentary glimpse of incredible craftmanship will not be too troubling for Johann, given that looking at the Ancestor Gods doing divine tier was treated as just being essentially food for thought. The real trouble is that this artifact is probably tens of thousands of years old and has likely seen a good deal of use in its intended purpose as a magitech cyborg laser-arm and a great deal more of sentry duty/a shelf somewhere/etc for those points of time where it's not lasering daemons' faces off.
I wouldn't expect looking into things to melt anybody's brain, but it definitely wouldn't be very fun/enjoyable.
[X] HALL: No
[X] MEAT: Yes
[X] ARM: Yes
[X] NUT: Yes
[X] PAPERS: Yes
Valarauko
Demon of Power
- Location
- Angband
And that a number of people in the thread are stupendously arrogant enough to think we can just casually waltz around one of the major Dawi-Zharr cities with impunity.
The thread is once again getting too big for our britches.
- Location
- USA
Luthor Harkon hands them out to people. Grants discount necromancy in exchange for aiding him in his raids against the Lizardmen. The aid isn't negotiable.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Luthor something-or-other, the leader of the vampires of the vampire coast in Lustria, is at war with the Lizardmen because he's a pirate and wants all their gold. He apparently made a bunch of gilded black skulls that, when smashed, give the smasher necromantic powers, and also bind them to his service for his looting war. I'm a bit fuzzy on any details beyond that, I'm afraid.
EDIT: Eshin'd yet again!
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
Putting it this way, I did go back and edit my vote to just include the arm and papers
Only one new fortress for you, Destro barbarian guy!
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SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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That would be a great way to die pointlessly, or get those slaves killed slowly and painfully just to set an example for the other slaves. Remember, these slaves would not be in good shape physically or mentally, and you'd be expecting them to escape a literal dwarf fortress city with a lot of heavily armed warriors and their constructs already in the way, ready to bust into action at a moment's notice, then somehow trek across difficult terrain with little place to hide while an elite force specifically trained, equipped, and prepared for a massive pursuit in force (with magical firepower to back it up) hunts us down with zeal. We'd then be bringing back a whole bunch of slaves, some of whom might be our sworn enemies, back to an expedition that is already short on food and very, VERY much doesn't want additional trouble for itself, let alone the forces of the capital of the Chaos Dwarves coming to wreck our shit.
Hell, the Chaos Dwarves would sooner hire any of the many deadly warriors in their marketplace to aid them than send an inadequate force to make an example of anyone willing to try a slave breakout in the middle of their capital. And they certainly have the money and the reliability necessary to do that.
And you somehow think we could deal with all of that. Alone.
It's absurd.
It's also a huge disservice to King Belegar (by ruining the expedition he sent us to help, in his name), to everyone in the Expedition (we'd be getting them all killed if we even came close to success, and we'd be failing the expedition anyway by getting ourselves pointlessly killed and losing the big chunk of gold loaned to us for nothing), to Panaramia (for getting ourselves killed pointlessly when we told her we'd make it back to her), to our friends and allies who joined up on the expedition partially or fully because we asked them to, and to the Grey College, who just made us Lady Magister and has put a lot of faith in us.
There is no scenario in which a slave breakout would actually be successful. Even if we made it all the way back to the expedition with the slaves alive, the army bearing down on us with a vengeance would be the death of everyone who lacked a mount or isn't willing to flee, slaves very much included.
Mathilde is a good person, but she isn't suicidal or stupid. Even if she saw slaves she absolutely wanted to rescue, she'd try to buy them, and if she couldn't buy them, she'd leave the city, horribly traumatized and depressed. She wouldn't attempt some suicidal and pointless breakout that would have zero chance of success. Not even the divine intervention of Ranald could make this work.
- Location
- Goose Land
From what I understand of how people feel about this.
There's a general "in favor"ness of coming back eventually and doing something, but realistically we have other things we need to do first and there's a lot of prep work to do to properly weigh the dice in our favor so to speak.
The electronics were made mostly ethically, it's just that they fell off a truck whose driver definitely suffered an accident on the way home.
And I'd say it's more like buying a back up generator and a weird looking "boomstick".
That being said, if the Optics of it were a concern I feel like it would have come up ICly? That might not be the case but Matty made the decision to go out and look for mystical curios rather than find the food and leave, so it at least appears that she doesn't think this would reflect badly on her.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
Probably not even that. Norscans tend to melt down gold coins they acquire and turn them into armbands to mark themselves as prestigious, since gold ore is very scarce in Norsca.