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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BoneyM said:
"Mathilde Weber," he says thoughtfully. "The battle-mighty weaver. I'd call the name rather on-the-nose, had you not been born with it. The games destiny plays, eh?"
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If we do work under the assumption that Mathilde was a dwarf soul stolen in a Ranald plot it would also make sense to assume that he had a hand in the name.
 
storryeater said:
Good luck to them applying Article 1 for nebulous reasons. They'll draw the wrath of the entire Karaz Ankor. Even if the Karaz Ankor sees them as an oath, they will think this kind of application against an allied polity is a silly bugger designed to dishonour their heroine. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea should be beheaded.
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The current Emperor and at least two of his Councilors might be relatively sensible, but that doesn't have to always be the case. Also, deciding things in favor of the Karaz Ankor or even impartially during a Karaz Ankor/Empire disagreement can easily be construed as an Article 1 breach. And having someone whose first loyalty was and remains to the Empire be the official ambassador of a closely allied entity to the Empire will feel wrong to anyone with actual primciples that aren't being influenced by Ulgu.

I mean it's as if instead of having a Canadian ambassador to the US and a US ambassador to Canada you had a single person with dual citizenship representing both of them and "negotiating" with herself on all contentious issues between the two.

Deathbybunnies said:
Doesn't matter, people will vote to try anyway.
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I don't think so. We'll be far too busy doing things that aren't actually the Loremaster's job, like scouting lost Karaks, investigating new or hidden threats, negotiating with weird sentient entities, liasing with certain specific Empire factions and building mad zhuf devices. And if we also build an enchanted gyrocopter then we will be meddling with literally every Councilor's job to some extent.
 
Mopman43 said:
@BoneyM, while rereading, this bit made me curious, because, well, Snorri definitely is part of a recognized Karaz Ankor clan.

Did this represent a misconception on Mathilde's part, or does it mean something else?
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Redbeards are an edge case, for almost two centuries now they've been watching over High Pass, which puts them outside the usual Dwarven social structure as they were not officially affiliated with any extant Hold.
 
Rafin said:
We can't do a proper Dawi Loremaster's job for them. Not only won't the new Loremaster let us, we haven't really been doing a proper Loremaster job most of the time in the first place. Our job has mostly been a mix of Crazy Court Wizard Troubleshooter, Liason to the Umgi Zhuf Guilds of Altdorf, General Umgi Expert and Supernatural Ranger Hero Unit.
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Belegar threw us at the weird problems and we solved them. As far as I'm concerned, we've been doing a fine enough job as a Loremaster.
 
BoneyM said:
Redbeards are an edge case, for almost two centuries now they've been watching over High Pass, which puts them outside the usual Dwarven social structure as they were not officially affiliated with any extant Hold.
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No wonder Snorri was so keen and supportive of the Vlag reclamation.
Also, the past tense used here makes me happy.
 
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BoneyM said:
Redbeards are an edge case, for almost two centuries now they've been watching over High Pass, which puts them outside the usual Dwarven social structure as they were not officially affiliated with any extant Hold.
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How does this explain him being introduced by Guild instead of clan, especially when he's of one of the rare clans which also cover him probably being a Ranger? And how does thos explain Gotri thinking that offering Snorri an adoption into Clan Huzkul would be appealing to him?

More generally I'm really curious about Clan Redbeard's founding and official place in the Karaz Ankor now. Are they self-governing like a Karak-less Karak? Did a whole Clan essentially semi-exile itself at some point?
Mopman43 said:
Belegar threw us at the weird problems and we solved them. As far as I'm concerned, we've been doing a fine enough job as a Loremaster.
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But that's not usually a Dwarf Loremaster's main job, nor were our solutions Loremaster style solutions. And on top of that we've always been good at finding our own problems to solve without needing much prompting. I'm not saying that we won't have our fingers in all kinds of K8P pies and continue to apply our services wherever we think we might help the Karak. Just that we wouldn't need to step on the new official Loremaster's toes to do so.

If we were to change our job title from K8P Loremaster to whatever the equivalent of Head Waystone Researcher is then the main changes would be that we don't sit in on twice yearly Council meetings anymore, that we would have a single main project for the foreseeable future instead of a different one every handful of turns, and that the Clan Angrund Elder whose been unofficially doing Loremaster stuff in the background finally gets the recognition and legal tools that should go with the job.

BoneyM said:
She keeps them. Perk of the position.
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That sounds nice, but isn't it a bit weird that the extensive library of the Loremaster essentially has to be completely rebought and replaced whenever the Loremaster changes?

I guess OOC it's to prevent the players from feeling bound to the position through passive stat boosting goodies or from having the thread be forced to go through the motions of buying the exact same stuff again or from there being arguments about which books specifically were bought with Belegar's budget and which were bought by us going overbudget and using our own money.

Ah well. Reconciliating the IC with the OOC gives me one more reason to vote for Bookboon.
 
You know, funniest part of this whole announcement is that dwarves like Mathilde so much, they decided to accuse her god of having stolen her soul. Like, normally that sort of thing would seem counter-intuitive and be WTF crazy, but here the specifics of the accusation make it absolutely hilarious when you stop and think about it. Ranald is probably laughing about it himself.
 
I imagine what would end up happening if Mathilde stopped being Loremaster is she'd still work quite a bit with the new Loremaster, if only because the new Loremaster would probably want to be able to keep offering 'Mathilde options' like "[] Build a Superweapon: *Insert Superweapon Concept Here*".
 
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Rafin said:
But that's not usually a Dwarf Loremaster's main job, nor were our solutions Loremaster style solutions. And on top of that we've always been good at finding our own problems to solve without needing much prompting. I'm not saying that we won't have our fingers in all kinds of K8P pies and continue to apply our services wherever we think we might help the Karak. Just that we wouldn't need to step on the new official Loremaster's toes to do so.

If we were to change our job title from K8P Loremaster to whatever the equivalent of Head Waystone Researcher is then the main changes would be that we don't sit in on twice yearly Council meetings anymore, that we would have a single main project for the foreseeable future instead of a different one every handful of turns, and that the Clan Angrund Elder whose been unofficially doing Loremaster stuff in the background finally gets the recognition and legal tools that should go with the job.
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@BoneyM, what is a typical Loremaster's main job, and is there currently a Clan Angrund elder doing it quietly in the background while Mathilde builds doom towers?
 
Rafin said:
How does this explain him being introduced by Guild instead of clan, especially when he's of one of the rare clans which also cover him probably being a Ranger? And how does thos explain Gotri thinking that offering Snorri an adoption into Clan Huzkul would be appealing to him?

More generally I'm really curious about Clan Redbeard's founding and official place in the Karaz Ankor now. Are they self-governing like a Karak-less Karak? Did a whole Clan essentially semi-exile itself at some point?

But that's not usually a Dwarf Loremaster's main job, nor were our solutions Loremaster style solutions. And on top of that we've always been good at finding our own problems to solve without needing much prompting. I'm not saying that we won't have our fingers in all kinds of K8P pies and continue to apply our services wherever we think we might help the Karak. Just that we wouldn't need to step on the new official Loremaster's toes to do so.

If we were to change our job title from K8P Loremaster to whatever the equivalent of Head Waystone Researcher is then the main changes would be that we don't sit in on twice yearly Council meetings anymore, that we would have a single main project for the foreseeable future instead of a different one every handful of turns, and that the Clan Angrund Elder whose been unofficially doing Loremaster stuff in the background finally gets the recognition and legal tools that should go with the job.


That sounds nice, but isn't it a bit weird that the extensive library of the Loremaster essentially has to be completely rebought and replaced whenever the Loremaster changes?

I guess OOC it's to prevent the players from feeling bound to the position through passive stat boosting goodies or from having the thread be forced to go through the motions of buying the exact same stuff again or from there being arguments about which books specifically were bought with Belegar's budget and which were bought by us going overbudget and using our own money.

Ah well. Reconciliating the IC with the OOC gives me one more reason to vote for Bookboon.
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Re Redbeards, some Dwarves would consider them illegitimate for being outside the Clan-Karak-Karaz Ankor structure.

Re books, under normal circumstances there's no scenario where that library would leave the Karak even if the Loremaster steps down, so it would still be available to future ones.
 
Just caught up with the quest, good stuff! I've really been enjoying it. I might make some effortposts later~

Anyway, for now...

[X] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about

Scamming or stealing from Chaos Dwarves is something best left to another time, I think. And trading with them isn't an idea I'm willing to entertain.

So, considering that, I'd say checking out the combes and what's there is a better expenditure of our time. More likely to be relevant to this expedition in the current moment too, I reckon.
 
I'd think the Redbeards would be happy to have Vlag back(besides the "Yay, a Karak reclaimed! part) just to have more support covering the High Pass.

I doubt they'd want to just abandon their centuries long duty just because there's more help around. Or even officially join Vlag. Joining a Karak that's been mostly in the hands of daemons for centuries is not something I think they'd rush into.
 
Rafin said:
But that's not usually a Dwarf Loremaster's main job, nor were our solutions Loremaster style solutions.
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No, given Boney's response, solving unusual problems is our job remit. And I'd say Mathilde has been doing just fine at that.

Maybe her solutions are less traditional, but I don't think that's been a negative.
 
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