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You know, overall I'm really happy about this.

a trip to the wastes should be filled with 'oh fuck' moments.

And BoneyM is already delivering!

just remember that after 'oh fuck' mountain,

it's going to be 'oh fuck' death run through shaven/chaos dwarfs/ Greenskin no mans land!

followed by the 'oh fuck' stepps of Side mission with ice witch!

and then we get to the Wastes.

Currently I'm betting on 4/5 dwarfs/men making it to Dum!

I for one, love this!
 
My bet is still on "Teclis 'repaired' the waystone network when he passed by, redirecting the flow from obviously doomed Dum, for however little time it would last, into the elf-feeding waystone network, hiding it in the process, and incidentally preventing the mountain for turning into a mess of magic-twisted chaos mountain a hundred years down the line. It's not like the continental primitives would ever notice anyway, it'd take too much effort to reconnect Dum to the Karaz Ankor network, and obviously the elves need that magic more than the dwarves, who (as far as he can tell) might not even be using it for anything."
That's not really something Teclis could do, because the Karak Vlag waystone is no longer around. Teclis might have been able to have a Waystone reroute to a different location, but even he can't just pull a new waystone out of his butt.

That was almost two hundred years ago, and also Teclis. Who apparantly didn't find anything amiss.
The tactical considerations were probably very different on whether to start a fight.
It's worth noting that Rangers poking around the area to see if they can find any clues is apparently standard procedure (so long as they're in the area anyway). Chances are pretty good that some dwarfs (and maybe a magical/weird shit expert or two) poking around every now and then is well within expectations of normal activity - likely the exact reason the cognitohazard was set up in the first place.

It's also worth noting that the cognitohazard is apparently crude in at least one aspect because the meme it's using to deflect attention/suspicion is one size fits all. That's a lot more suggestive of it being a passive effect rather than an intelligent actor that's actively paying attention to what's going on - which means fooling it is significantly more viable than otherwise.
 
That's not really something Teclis could do, because the Karak Vlag waystone is no longer around. Teclis might have been able to have a Waystone reroute to a different location, but even he can't just pull a new waystone out of his butt.
I think he could move one from nearby into vlag and reroute everything but Dum to leave the network whole.
 
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That's not really something Teclis could do, because the Karak Vlag waystone is no longer around. Teclis might have been able to have a Waystone reroute to a different location, but even he can't just pull a new waystone out of his butt.
Is it though? Considering that something/someone is pulling a lot of power from the leyline it's possible that it's still there, just not routing the power onward.
 
It's also worth noting that the cognitohazard is apparently crude in at least one aspect because the meme it's using to deflect attention/suspicion is one size fits all. That's a lot more suggestive of it being a passive effect rather than an intelligent actor that's actively paying attention to what's going on - which means fooling it is significantly more viable than otherwise.
Not really. Affecting multiple minds is complicated. If you're doing so you'd most likely either just scramble them all or perform the same change to all.
 
It's also worth noting that the cognitohazard is apparently crude in at least one aspect because the meme it's using to deflect attention/suspicion is one size fits all. That's a lot more suggestive of it being a passive effect rather than an intelligent actor that's actively paying attention to what's going on - which means fooling it is significantly more viable than otherwise.

Exactly the opposite. It's designed to fool wizards, who almost never come here, rather than dwarves who come here semi-frequently. That's very suggestive that someone saw Mathilde on her way and tailored this specifically to fool a College-trained wizard who would be thinking in terms of stone as a magical insulator. I think this was set up in like the last hour.
 
I don't see that happening. There is definitely going to be an attack on the Expedition from this thing in the very, very near future. It was actively reaching out with magic designed specifically to throw a human wizard off its trail, aimed directly at Mathilde. You think after putting the eyeball on her that way that she can pretend 'I didn't notice anything' and it'll just let her walk off? Not going to happen. All we're deciding here is where the fight happens and whose initiative the fight happens on.

Sneak off to have the fight happen at the steam wagons, but on Chaos's initiative. Stand here to have the fight happen here, but on our initiative, not that of Chaos. It'd all a question of how valuable you think the initiative is. I value it a lot, which is why I'm voting to Stand Ground.
I think you're making assumptions here that aren't actually backed up by the text.

For one, you've asserted that the effect is Mathilde specific. It isn't.

It's cast on the mountain, not Mathilde and it acts on anyone looking at it. Now it is clearly aimed at Magic users (hence the message "stone is an excellent insulator of magic", but that is because no one except a magic user would be able to tell anything about the magic just from looking at the mountain. We're in Kurgan territory after all, and they almost certainly have their own (dark) magic users who pass by the mountain on a semi regular basis.

That would mean it is likely designed as a passive defence. Now, they might well still be observing us, but it will be at a distance, probably through non-magical means as I would expect that active scrying has a higher chance of being detected by the sort of people this field is designed to fool and "this uninteresting location is being actively scryed" is very suspicious.

In which case, if we start freaking out they might activate more active defences, but Mathilde is very good at holding a poker face, especially to someone who is observing from far away.

Secondly, that any attack will come right now. Again, if we don't spot anything (and all indications is that this is nearly impossible to spot), attacking us now would be foolish. They'll probably go after the expedition first, because we aren't wearing a "Lord Magister here" banner and it's the big prize the widow spent power on. They'll want to spend the element of surprise on ambushing the big prize, not the scouting party. In which case, not drawing away all the best protection from the caravan (most notably DEATHFANG) means it is better suited to defend itself until we can regroup here and defend both Matty and the Wagons.
 
Exactly the opposite. It's designed to fool wizards, who almost never come here, rather than dwarves who come here semi-frequently. That's very suggestive that someone saw Mathilde on her way and tailored this specifically to fool a College-trained wizard who would be thinking in terms of stone as a magical insulator. I think this was set up in like the last hour.
I don't see that, why would they tailor it like that? Stone is a excellent insulator of magic.

that's just a fact.
 
A reminder that Runesmiths can't actually "sense" magic the way Wizards do. They know by study where it flows and pools, but they can't see it. The only people who would ask about why they can't sense any magic through the stone or leyline would be just wizards. Thus "Stone is an excellent insulator of Magic".
 
Exactly the opposite. It's designed to fool wizards, who almost never come here, rather than dwarves who come here semi-frequently. That's very suggestive that someone saw Mathilde on her way and tailored this specifically to fool a College-trained wizard who would be thinking in terms of stone as a magical insulator. I think this was set up in like the last hour.
It's worth noting that it did work on dwarves.

The only one who was alarmed by their phrasing is Mathilde, who A: was already suspicious of the phrasing and B: Is a Grey Mage and therefore always suspicious
 
And also a sign that it might be an automated system.
I'd point out that Take No Heed works pretty much like that? As does Mindhole.
Automated nothing - if you're influencing multiple targets its already a stupidly complex spell, if you're influencing multiple targets with individually tailored effects you would need to cast repeated instances of single target effects, and thats not good either.
 
It's worth noting that it did work on dwarves.

The only one who was alarmed by their phrasing is Mathilde, who A: was already suspicious of the phrasing and B: Is a Grey Mage and therefore always suspicious
I'm reminded of how the Deceiver facet of Ranald's Coin doesn't work well against the Grey College. Grey Wizards are so suspicious that even a divine blessing of trustworthiness loops back around to being cause for suspicion.
 
I'm reminded of how the Deceiver facet of Ranald's Coin doesn't work well against the Grey College. Grey Wizards are so suspicious that even a divine blessing of trustworthiness loops back around to being cause for suspicion.

That is not quite what we were told. When asked about using the Deceiver against the Grey College, say to hand off the Liber Mortis, BoneyM called it 'an irresistible force meeting an unmovable object'. We simply don't know what would happen if we pit the power of the God of Liars against the most suspicious and astute of the Colleges of Magic and given the stakes it's a bad idea to try.
 
I'd point out that Take No Heed works pretty much like that? As does Mindhole.
Automated nothing - if you're influencing multiple targets its already a stupidly complex spell, if you're influencing multiple targets with individually tailored effects you would need to cast repeated instances of single target effects, and thats not good either.
It's a whole lost dwarven city fortress. Whoever had the power to take it over and hide it from friggin' Teclis surely has the power to layer some enchantments over it instead of relying on guards to notify a third party to cast a spell.
Also, if it's some form of runeworks then it should might be possible to program some route thoughts into it.
I mentioned the "stone is an excellent insulator of magic", and as Mathilde said, it's something a dwarf wouldn't say. But at the same time, no dwarf would ever consider why they couldn't sense any magic through the stone either.
It's quite possible there are plenty of memetic defenses that the dwarves stumble upon but we haven't encountered in our thoughts yet.
 
That is not quite what we were told. When asked about using the Deceiver against the Grey College, say to hand off the Liber Mortis, BoneyM called it 'an irresistible force meeting an unmovable object'. We simply don't know what would happen if we pit the power of the God of Liars against the most suspicious and astute of the Colleges of Magic and given the stakes it's a bad idea to try.

We ought to pick a relatively low stakes subject and try.

We could get a paper at least; besides the satisfaction at seeing Algard, Melkoth and the other LMs be temporarily baffled.
 
We ought to pick a relatively low stakes subject and try.

We could get a paper at least; besides the satisfaction at seeing Algard, Melkoth and the other LMs be temporarily baffled.

The thing is I don't think they would give it enough effort to even hope to overcome it unless the stakes were high. Ranald's power is Ranald's power no matter who we use it against, but it would take real institutional effort from the Grey College to overcome it.
 
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Not really. Affecting multiple minds is complicated. If you're doing so you'd most likely either just scramble them all or perform the same change to all.
This doesn't explain why it keeps the same message - Mathilde got suspicious because the same thought kept repeating, and the message/meme being identical in others was the clincher. The bit whose invariance was an issue wasn't multiple people having the same thought, it was that individual people kept having the same thought rather than the same idea reskinned to make it seem like someone's own words.

Unless it's more difficult to make everybody think "stone repels magic" or "no magic would leak through the stone" than "stone is an excellent insulator of magic" for some bizarre reason, an active caster could just change things up every now and be far more likely to avoid suspicion. The fact that the effect is invariant is what's making me think it's a passive enchantment/effect, because stuff like this is one of the noted downsides of using an enchantment rather than a wizard.
 
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We ought to pick a relatively low stakes subject and try.

We could get a paper at least; besides the satisfaction at seeing Algard, Melkoth and the other LMs be temporarily baffled.
The knowledge that it's possible for Mathilde/other known Ranaldians to lie with perfect candor is not the sort of info we want to be readily available.

Even when we spoke complete truths (like how we are loyal to both Belegar and the colleges and that we only have wholesome reasons to use the Liber Mortis), no one would believe us because they know they have no way of knowing if we were lying.
 
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