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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BoneyM said:
Actual time manipulation.

"The secret behind it is that it doesn't actually affect the mind of those caught in it, which could be resisted by the strong-willed - it alters reality in such a way that to those inside it time runs just a little bit slower, indirectly slowing reaction speeds and disorienting even the most highly-trained of combatants. Many elite warriors train to be able to fight when in altered states, but you've never heard of any that have trained to fight effectively when the passage of time becomes a variable."
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Thank you. I just remembered it being bonkers, but I didn't remember exactly what flavour of bonkers.

Two final question, for now @BoneyM , but during our analysis of the We, Mathilde discovered their adaptation to Warpstone ingestion by enclosing it in cysts.

1. According to what we are aware of, eventually enough warp stone (or cysts second question shall expand) will accumulate in their system and the We will die, but how much warpstone do we think that takes?
2. Would it be an action to analyse the degree of insulation the cysts provide? Cause seemingly "enough to stop a We from dying after eating warpstone" is a lot, especially with the potential implication that it isn't the We dying of warpstone poisoning, but more them eventually creating enough Cysts that it takes up their entire stomach.

Mostly curious, as while I'm sure we have better methods of containing warp stone (Dwarf runes most obvious of course) most of them require some kind of infrastructure and expertise. Its hard to beat "will be contained by this spider ****ing eating it" especially with the implication its at least semi (depending on how long it takes the cysts to decay) indefinite if the part about the Midden is any implication.

Chronic said:
Qretch, comparing his experiences with Chaos Dwarves with LMGs: "A worthy-dangerous enemy has appeared." before crossing swords on the academic landscape.
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He writes how to fight them directly through armies and such, she writes on how best to fight them in terms of sabotage etc. with both comparing ideas on the psyche of Chaos Dwarfs? That'd be cewl.
 
@BoneyM, two questions. First, does this Ulgu dimension have an actual name? Second, can matter that's been sent into Pit of Shades and crushed be retrieved in any way? If not, where does it go, destroyed, something else, or unknown?
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Thank you. I just remembered it being bonkers, but I didn't remember exactly what flavour of bonkers.

Two final question, for now @BoneyM , but during our analysis of the We, Mathilde discovered their adaptation to Warpstone ingestion by enclosing it in cysts.

1. According to what we are aware of, eventually enough warp stone (or cysts second question shall expand) will accumulate in their system and the We will die, but how much warpstone do we think that takes?
2. Would it be an action to analyse the degree of insulation the cysts provide? Cause seemingly "enough to stop a We from dying after eating warpstone" is a lot, especially with the potential implication that it isn't the We dying of warpstone poisoning, but more them eventually creating enough Cysts that it takes up their entire stomach.
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1. Difficult to say, cyst size wasn't always consistent with size of the warpstone inside of them.
2. Any kind of solid physical insulation is already known to block warpstone radiation, it isn't unique to those cysts.

NexusEye said:
@BoneyM, two questions. First, does this Ulgu dimension have an actual name?
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No, it's impossible to get a consensus behind a name for it because everyone disagrees on what it actually is.

NexusEye said:
Second, can matter that's been sent into Pit of Shades and crushed be retrieved in any way? If not, where does it go, destroyed, something else, or unknown?
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Sometimes it's ejected as particulate back into reality, sometimes it's never seen again.

HanEmpire said:
@BoneyM could this Pit be used as a form of fast delivery to the Grey College somehow?
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No.
 
If we wanted to be Destiny, we could call it the Sword Realm.

I do like calling it the Shadow Realm, though, because, well, we do have this Ranald thing going on, and it is where we (might eventually) be sending our enemies to kill them...
 
BoneyM said:
"We had planned to let you season a few more years," Algard says with a smile, "but if you're going into hell, it's only proper you shall do so in the rank you have earned."
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D'aw. They have kept eyes on us for at least a few years in expectation of us earning the Lady title.
Redshirt Army said:
I mean, apparently every single one of the Grey College's entrances is actually just a portal, so in that sense I could hypothetically it being possible to just make another entrance to the Grey College that just so happens to be thousands of miles away from the others.

I imagine that it would take some serious power to disjoint space enough to allow for that level of shenanigans, though.
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Not necessarily. I get the feeling that in the Hedge, distance is merely a suggestion.
Darn. DM'd.
BoneyM said:
'Rikki' is 'Lord'. Calling yourself that would be demanding that you be shown the same respect as a Runelord.
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I can't wait until we tell Kragg. If he replies that we're now allowed to call him utonki then I'd die of happiness.
 
About the name for the place I'm going to have to agree with Kurtis Krammovitch, this is very much what the Hedge is supposed to be and look like and the Hedgewise were here first (other than perhaps the elves who did not bother to share a name) so their name should stick.
 
BoneyM said:
2. Any kind of solid physical insulation is already known to block warpstone radiation, it isn't unique to those cysts.
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Ahhh guess that's me being overly grim dark again, I assumed it was very hard to block.

NexusEye said:
Right then, if it's okay with you guys I nominate @Godwinson 's suggestion of Shadow Realm as the inthread name of this place, both because I find it funny and because it's a genuinely descriptive and apt name for this place.
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HEHE :D

Seriously though, I imagine it having no individual name is for the best. Its a place of barriers between the real and unreal, dreams and waking, light and dark, night and day.

If anything it should be defined by not only the lack of name, but also a duality of name.

"The Sword that is a World" or the "Everywhere that is Nowhere."

Things like that. That being said I imagine one's conception of this place likely influences their views on magic quite considerably as well. Certainly, each of the LM related their understanding of it to their experiences and so on, with IMO Melkoths being the most interesting in that regard.

Essentially
Alagard: Sees it as something knowable for humans that he's starting to figure out a bit. However he does conceive of it as hidden. In general his view of these things seems to be the least set or if he has a more definite view he's not saying it aloud.
Krammovitch: Sees it as a place of refuge as well as the mystic.
Kupfer: Similarly the mystic with a connection to the hedge, but a far more aggressive interpretation*
(I wonder if Krammovitch and Kupfer disagree on the issue of the hedgewise?)
Grey: Pokes less at the divine, and more fundamental aspects of the setting's metaphysics, again an implication that it can be known?
Bucht: A place of imagination, generated by living beings until we could use it.
Starke: Religious, but also got the ideas of protection albeit more mainstream. Interestingly with Alagard's final implications may hint at Starke's view of the divine having a more academic bent that we know.
Melkoth: Probably the simplest, but given his potential age this isn't too surprising.

DragonParadox said:
About the name for the place I'm going to have to agree with Kurtis Krammovitch, this is very much what the Hedge is supposed to be and look like and the Hedgewise were here first (other than perhaps the elves who did not bother to share a name) so their name should stick.
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Perhaps in the lands now called the empire, but it seems foolish to assume that they were the first humans to entre it when human civilisation in the area now known as the old world is comparatively recent.

Regardless I've already made my point, I think trying to give it a single name is to do both it and our wind a disservice and to bind our mind to a too narrow interpretation of what it could be, when it seems it can be many things.

The only consistent things we humans presently know about it are very simple. That it can be both a weapon (see battlemagic) and that it can be a realm (see our knowledge of Ghazul and well we were kinda standing in it.)
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Perhaps in the lands now called the empire, but it seems foolish to assume that they were the first humans to entre it when human civilisation in the area now known as the old world is comparatively recent.

Regardless I've already made my point, I think trying to give it a single name is to do both it and our wind a disservice and to bind our mind to a too narrow interpretation of what it could be, when it seems it can be many things.

The only consistent things we humans presently know about it are very simple. That it can be both a weapon (see battlemagic) and that it can be a realm (see our knowledge of Ghazul and well we were kinda standing in it.)
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True but we do not know about those other theoretical users. As far as we know the Hedgewise were the first to use this place, none of the other explanations exclude that so it seems most fitting to use the name Hedge rather than put on airs and rename it to something novel in our heads.
 
Hedge, from middle English Hegge.
  1. A hedge; a plant grown as a boundary.
  2. A bush or shrub; a stout or short woody plant.
  3. (rare) An enclosure; a fenced-off or bounded area.
  4. (rare) A fortress; a redoubt
I think it fits number four pretty well.
 
I think the Empire did itself a great disservice by persecuting these people. They have a lot to teach it seems.

Maybe once our stint in K8P is done we can try to live among them.
 
DragonParadox said:
True but we do not know about those other theoretical users. As far as we know the Hedgewise were the first to use this place, none of the other explanations exclude that so it seems most fitting to use the name Hedge rather than put on airs and rename it to something novel in our heads.
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True, though I am sure we can guess if not verify.

As for fitting, no I don't feel it is more fitting than any other. We are not of the Hedgewise nor are we likely to use it for their purposes (ninjad). Steel is not named after the people of Kaman-Kalehöyük. It is appropriate for Krammovich to see it as the Hedge, it is part of his heritage and his life at a very fundamental level as his life has been dominated by his relation to those that term themselves by the Hedge.

However, just as every LM has their own view of it, I believe we should continue that. To do otherwise, to limit our perspective by binding it to the idea of the Hedge would in my mind reduce what could be done with it or at least what we think it could do.

Asheram said:
I think it fits number four pretty well.
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I don't see the word weapon in it? But yes it can be that as well.

It can be a lot of things, if it has a singular name then that should be emphasised.

HanEmpire said:
I think the Empire did itself a great disservice by persecuting these people. They have a lot to teach it seems.

Maybe once our stint in K8P is done we can try to live among them.
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That's Krammovich's schtick, ask him first though I imagine he's already purloined all he can.

As for persecution, same could be said of many pre Teclisian magical tradition and for lots to teach, maybe?

I would not hold them up any more than I would anyone else.
 
Algard didn't really commit to any explanation during the promotion, which is why I think he secretly supports Krammovitch's theory. He was Hedging his bets. :V
 
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NexusEye said:
Algard didn't really commit to any explanation during the promotion, which is why I think he secretly supports Krammovitch's theory. He was Hedging his bets.
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:eyebrow: Was that just for the pun, or a serious suggestion I truly can't tell. Maybe both which would be appropriate :D , but still if both why the serious aspect?
 
Doomed Wombat said:
True, though I am sure we can guess if not verify.

As for fitting, no I don't feel it is more fitting than any other. We are not of the Hedgewise nor are we likely to use it for their purposes (ninjad). Steel is not named after the people of Kaman-Kalehöyük. It is appropriate for Krammovich to see it as the Hedge, it is part of his heritage and his life at a very fundamental level as his life has been dominated by his relation to those that term themselves by the Hedge.

However, just as every LM has their own view of it, I believe we should continue that. To do otherwise, to limit our perspective by binding it to the idea of the Hedge would in my mind reduce what could be done with it or at least what we think it could do.
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Being different just for the sake of being different feels a bit arrogant to me. If we did some studies on it and came up with interesting properties that suggested a name that would be one thing, but as a default name knowing what we know of it right now. Hedge seems most fitting. Personally I would keep the name Hedge even if we came up with some understanding honestly just because the Hedgewise have lost a lot to the empire over the course of their history, making their name for the place they draw their powers 'just one among many' just does not sit right with me.
 
Ahhhh. There is something very delightful about seeing a bunch of skilled Ulgu wielders indulge in their low-key love of drama and pageantry
 
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