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I think the question we should ask first of all is do we want to retake Drazh? That good is it, it's not like the dwarfs are running out of room to live (Belegar's own worries). I guess it gives more power into the dwarf network to power the runes, but that it not urgent these days. I mean sure it would be nice not to have a source of orcs so close at hand, but is that worth the cost in blood and treasure. If there is anything I would like to poke nearby it's Thunder Mountain because that is where they made Anvils of Doom.
From Thorgrim's little interlude, I'm pretty sure that's a no go. The whole place is filled with toxic gases.
 
[X] Only seek passage for the Expedition

Just realized that I never actually voted.
It's still open, right?

Yep, still open. Any points you want to make for why not to buy food? With all these monstrous cavalry we recruited, the supply situation is going to get super constrained. Isn't it our responsibility to fix it?

We've been told grumbling for passage and grumbling for buying food will be about the same. So what's the argument to keep it passage only?
 
The unspoken assumption that I'm trying to push back against here is that there's no middle ground between enforced silence and bitter arguments. I don't think it's unreasonable of me to ask people to seek that middle ground, or to ask people to choose silence if they cannot find it.
I'm sorry, you're right, that's quite fair.

I do think it's going to require some specific remarks to individuals who are conducting themselves according to the Lore of Bitterness to get there from here, though, as a practical matter.

Since we're not going to stop talking about it, it will likely become necessary to inform people when they have overstepped, or to remove them when they become tiresome and refuse to take a hint.

That's my prediction, anyway.
 
That i what gas masks are for, we stole them from the skaven, not to mention light magic. We have resources that Karaz Ankor alone can't match.

We had a single gas mask, which is now in the possession of the Gold College. And while they can attempt to duplicate it, there is no known source of rubber in the Old World. Not that we know what rubber is, of course.
 
We had a single gas mask, which is now in the possession of the Gold College. And while they can attempt to duplicate it, there is no known source of rubber in the Old World. Not that we know what rubber is, of course.

We have literally magic, including the magic of purification. I think that can replace rubber enough for us to have a look at Thunder Mountain. I don't want to recover the place, I want to loot it for lore and artifacts.
 
We had a single gas mask, which is now in the possession of the Gold College. And while they can attempt to duplicate it, there is no known source of rubber in the Old World. Not that we know what rubber is, of course.

The Gold College is likely to try to reverse engineer the gas mask instead of hoarding it.

If they don't we've got quite a few levers for applying pressure.
 
We have literally magic, including the magic of purification. I think that can replace rubber enough for us to have a look at Thunder Mountain. I don't want to recover the place, I want to loot it for lore and artifacts.
...Hmm. I did say I wanted to take a look at Runesmith notes at some point, and Thunder Mountain was where they made the Anvils...
 
Yep, still open. Any points you want to make for why not to buy food? With all these monstrous cavalry we recruited, the supply situation is going to get super constrained. Isn't it our responsibility to fix it?

We've been told grumbling for passage and grumbling for buying food will be about the same. So what's the argument to keep it passage only?
Mostly about consorting with the enemy as little as possible.

They're pretty explicitly a chaos faction, and that right there ought to be enough reason.

Paying them off to avoid a fight is one thing, but eating their food carries more risks. Even just from the symbolism of it.

Not even just regular corruption risks, but reputation based ones too. We don't want to become known for this kind of thing, and we don't want to give anyone the idea that trading with chaos factions is okay.

In might be a neccessary evil this time, but we should still minimize it. Do we need the food? Or can we do without?
 
In might be a neccessary evil this time, but we should still minimize it. Do we need the food? Or can we do without?
We don't know.
@BoneyM, does Mathilde anticipate the expedition having supply issues if we don't get food from the Dolgans?
The Expedition has a big question mark where travel distance per day should be. It's hard to anticipate anything in that scenario. She does not, however, foresee any scenario where the problem is too much supplies.
We're in the position of reasoning under uncertainty. I voted for supplies on the grounds that "if we need them, we'll really need them, and if we don't need them, we can just make the minimum deal necessary to not start a fight." But I don't think it's unreasonable to just want to completely avoid trading with a nominally Chaotic faction.
 
Yes. My feeling is, if we need the supplies we better have the option to buy them, and if we don't need them we can always keep the deal to a few token sheep.
 
While not quite a law of nature, it is generally speaking true that an army on the march can find use for more food.
 
We have literally magic, including the magic of purification. I think that can replace rubber enough for us to have a look at Thunder Mountain. I don't want to recover the place, I want to loot it for lore and artifacts.
So far as I can tell, the only way to get that to work would either to be constantly activating a cleansing item Mathilde has, or to have a Light Wizard come along and continually cast it on both themself and Mathilde. There doesn't appear to be an AoE anti-poison spell.

I imagine that gas masks are pretty high on the list of things to try and recreate for the Gold College.
The Gold College is likely to try to reverse engineer the gas mask instead of hoarding it.

If they don't we've got quite a few levers for applying pressure.
They're pretty likely to want to make more, but there's not telling how long that'll take, or even if they'll succeed.
 
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Hmm.

On the march is a bad time for spell research, isn't it.

Otherwise we could work on a fog spell to shield the caravan from the sun as we travel.

Nice, cool, shadows.
 
The Runelord of disapproval looks in your direction.


One experiment I want to run is to design an array consisting of vials of AV on strings in order to quantify the vector/magnitude of Kragg's disapproval. It would need to be calibrated to deal with Kragg's disapproval of it in itself of course, but it could be a useful metric to acquire.

On a less jokey note, the ability to quantify a runelord's ability to tell the winds to fuck off could be useful.
 
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I like how you don't specify which, implying there is only one Kragg Reaction Face and presumably it's "Disapprove". :D
The Runelord of disapproval looks in your direction.


I was actually imagining that one One Piece recurring reaction face. Everyone who reads one piece should know the one, the one characters make when something inconceivable happens. May be too undignified for Kragg tho.
 
About the 'is the food actually demon meat' dilemma just Sauté it in AV before serving. If the meat evaporates and dhar forms, it's demonic sheep and you can go place a complaint to the seller sword point, if dhar doesn't form it was a magical creature and you should be concerned about preservation and ask questions.

Some wizards do apparently try to snort warpstone, skaven style, for extra power...
If it's stupid and it works, it's something stupid that works, much like the above.
 
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in the absence of fuel sources, could a steak be cooked to perfection by gently soaking it in dhar before exposing it to the belt?
"perfection"..."dhar"... I do not think these words belong in the same sentence.
I don't see why he'd pikachu_face tbh.

Everyone knows that eating Chaos Spawn is optimal.
No, eating Chaos Spawn is pessimal.

As regards Karak Drazh... an extended assassination campaign could well be be useful. As has been mentioned before, a very useful magic item for that would be an Invisibility item... perhaps a ring... and perhaps we could use it as a Windherder experiment, so that when heated, it uses the Aqshy to form glowing words around the band...

...What? :p
 
Honestly, I think the romance has actually added a lot to the quest, both for Mathilde's character and the character of others. Even for the characters that may end up not being picked, there've still been some great moments (like with Johann, Panoramia, and Cython).
 
As regards Karak Drazh... an extended assassination campaign could well be be useful. As has been mentioned before, a very useful magic item for that would be an Invisibility item... perhaps a ring... and perhaps we could use it as a Windherder experiment, so that when heated, it uses the Aqshy to form glowing words around the band...

...What? :p
Revealing text in certain circumstances is actually a function of a Gold Spell:
Secret Rune: Engraves invisible text similar to Inscription, or reveals/re-hides text from another casting of Secret Rune.
 
This said, here's my own candidate for thread madness: Let's brain storm all the ways that we could actually get Cython to come join us.
Has anyone yet suggested just straight up asking Cython to come along? No quid pro quo, no dangling of potential rewards, just flat out "Hey, we're doing a thing - wanna come?"

It's not a thing that's guaranteed to get it to come along, but we should probably do Cython the courtesy of asking before we tie ourselves up in knots thinking up ways to manipulate it into doing what we want.
So would he use wine bottles or books as bait?
Neither - both wine/booze in general and books would get false positives from other segments of the population (drunkards, nerds, and so on) that aren't philosophers but do like wine/books. To properly sort people into philosophers/not philosophers you'd need something more specific, that only a philosopher would respond to.

Obviously, the bait would be to shout a profound question (what's the sound of one hand clapping is a classic) into a crowd and then pick out the ones who stopped to think.
in the absence of fuel sources, could a steak be cooked to perfection by gently soaking it in dhar before exposing it to the belt?
If you're the sort who defines a steak being 'cooked to perfection' as 'seared on the outside near to the point of charring while the inside is completely raw' or 'cooked from the inside out to the consistency of an old boot heel', then yes.

Otherwise, you'd probably need to figure out a cooking method that has greater control over the intensity and duration of the heat.
 
Is this the magic that Mathilde is going to invent wholesale? Culinary arcane magic? Isn't there a halfling goddess with that turf?
 
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