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Random question @BoneyM but do we have a social option for checking out the effects of our Anti-Waaagh lectures from a while ago? It's just that they've been pending for a while on the favors list, and it might be interesting to check up on that like we did with the Calamity rooms and see how it's helped, especially now that we'll be—at least temporarily—moving on from fighting Greenskins to fighting Chaos.
 
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Karak Izor is still recovering from sending out a significant fraction of their population as settlers
Why did they actually decide to do this by the way?
It's a topic for discussion that could yield interesting results, but the problem with trying to entice an Emperor Dragon is if you do manage to hook it, it's fully capable of going up there on his own and terrorizing a tribe into giving it the answers it wants.
So depending on whether we get cooperation from the locals or not it might be worth it to tell Cython about this just before the expedition begins and hope he gets around to paying them a visit while we are there to, as a distraction if nothing else.
Sacred meat burns as you try to eat it therefore the gods don't like you seems like a good bet,
I think that only applies if the burning hurt us, divine smiting style. If we just continue chewing as flames exit our mouth then that should be more impressive than anything.
 
Random question @BoneyM but do we have a social option for checking out the effects of our Anti-Waaagh lectures from a while ago? It's just that they've been pending for a while on the favors list, and it might be interesting to check up on that like we did with the Calamity rooms and see how it's helped, especially now that we'll be—at least temporarily—moving on from fighting Greenskins to fighting Skaven.

There's not enough meat there to fill out a social action until there's a major Waaagh or a sustained campaign against a greenskin population.

Why did they actually decide to do this by the way?

A calculated gamble. It allowed them to get in at the ground floor and they now have a lot of influence and guaranteed good relations with K8P for the foreseeable future, including their Princess getting an automatic spot on the Council.

So depending on whether we get cooperation from the locals or not it might be worth it to tell Cython about this just before the expedition begins and hope he gets around to paying them a visit while we are there to, as a distraction if nothing else.

It could be one way to potentially disrupt the area while you're rolling through.
 
This is starting to look oddly feasible. @BoneyM does Mathilde think the belt could handle chewing on chaos spawn meat or is that worse than mere Dhar presence for it to burn away?

Kragg designed the Belt to cover all the possibilities he could foresee, but that was before he had spent much time around Mathilde. The question to consider is 'would this scenario occur to a pre-Mathilde, pre-K8P Kragg'.
 
It could be one way to potentially disrupt the area while you're rolling through.
Also, how do we get this to happen? Regular AP, social AP, or would it be a last-minute thing before the Expedition starts, or what? Because not only would that actually be really useful, it would also be hilarious when we tell everyone that they won't have to worry as much because we threw an Emperor Dragon at the tribes for a distraction.
 
The Ulrikadrin are too far form the Border Princes proper to form a centre if I understand the geography correctly. They're in the nearby mountains to Karak Eight Peaks whilst the Border Prince lands start north of Barak Varr. In between is the open area of the Badlands; aka one of the most orc infested places on the planet.

A stronghold in the mountains is one thing - that's how Azul made it for millennia in the first place. Controlling all that open space? Way beyond what the Ulrikadrin can even dream of doing. A Waaagh like Birdmuncha's would instantly evaporate any polity that isn't inanely well fortified. Being spread out and also not being dwarfs means there's no way a fledgling kingdom can get its feet under it without extremely major backing.

This should be a big reason to start the process of cleaning up Karak Drazh. Even if it can only be lightly garrisoned by the old dwarven royal clan and has to be mostly held by mercenaries, securing it should mean that one of the major locations for greenskins to concentrate and Waaghs to brew up has been removed.

What we actually want are a band of tough as nails steppe barbarians that can move with their herds to avoid the main path of Waaghs coming from further south and are used to living on very marginal land, while being able to suppress the local goblin tribes and prevent them becoming a threat after a major campaign hammers them the first time....

Kragg designed the Belt to cover all the possibilities he could foresee, but that was before he had spent much time around Mathilde. The question to consider is 'would this scenario occur to a pre-Mathilde, pre-K8P Kragg'.

Dhar contaminated food and drink? I'd hope almost certainly. One of the big reasons Karak Eight Peaks originally fell in canon, apparently, was the skaven contaminating the wells with warpstone. As we were on the way to Karak Eight Peaks to fight skaven, I'd expect Kragg to remember the records of what had happened before and defend against it.
 
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Kragg designed the Belt to cover all the possibilities he could foresee, but that was before he had spent much time around Mathilde. The question to consider is 'would this scenario occur to a pre-Mathilde, pre-K8P Kragg'.

Probably not but I like the implication that it would occur to him now, Mathilde Weber broadening the minds of Dawi Living Ancestors since 2478 I.C. :V
 
Re: the Border Princes, K8P being retaken should do a fair amount on its own to pare down incoming Waaaghs by providing a hard-point to crash against.

The biggest benefit we could potentially give them would be retaking Iron Rock and Black Crag- that both provides another hard-point, as mentioned previously, as well as gets rid of locations where Waaaghs form.

Of course, just garrisoning all of that would be a challenge, let alone actually retaking it.
 
Also, how do we get this to happen? Regular AP, social AP, or would it be a last-minute thing before the Expedition starts, or what? Because not only would that actually be really useful, it would also be hilarious when we tell everyone that they won't have to worry as much because we threw an Emperor Dragon at the tribes for a distraction.

Attempting to blind-fire an Emperor Dragon in the general direction of the steppes in the hope that something useful happens is enough of a longshot that I'll let it be a social action. There's enough to discuss on the topic of Kurgan and Kislevarin religion to fill out the rest of the social.

Dhar contaminated food and drink? Almost certainly. One of the big reasons Karak Eight Peaks originally fell in canon, apparently, was the skaven poisoning the wells with warpstone.

"Yes, I made the Belt able to fight against the taint of Chaos in food and drink."

"What if I ate an actual Chaos Spawn, though?"

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I believe these questions about magic and food were already discussed in the absolute best bout of thread madness.

"Magic Taco"

I do not believe that Aqshy is actually used for cooking. I believe it starts the fire, or makes something hot, which then roasts the meat.
Aqshy can make a liquid into an alcohol.
That begs the question, would a steak dipped in Aqshy become cooked or enchanted or ?fermented? or alcoholic or rendered soot by the concentrated essence?

Can an Aqshy spell that transmutes liquid to alcohol transform a steak into . . . a spicy steak?

Is the taco seasoning actually a derived Aqshy spell???
 
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"Yes, I made the Belt able to fight against the taint of Chaos in food and drink."

"What if I ate an actual Chaos Spawn, though?"

Kragg_reaction_face.jpg

How Mathilde decided to go big or go home, or, experimentally determine quite how much a dwarf runelord over-engineered the safety tolerances on his runic talismans.
 
Attempting to blind-fire an Emperor Dragon in the general direction of the steppes in the hope that something useful happens is enough of a longshot that I'll let it be a social action. There's enough to discuss on the topic of Kurgan and Kislevarin religion to fill out the rest of the social.
...Welp, I know what I'm voting for when that I'm old around. :grin:
 
Kragg designed the Belt to cover all the possibilities he could foresee, but that was before he had spent much time around Mathilde. The question to consider is 'would this scenario occur to a pre-Mathilde, pre-K8P Kragg'.
Honestly, maybe? To me, it seems Kragg's estimation of Mathilde has improved a whole lot, and part of that is not doing stupid things. I can see pre-expedition Kragg believing that wizardlings just randomly chew tainted meat (there's stories about manlings and warpstone, and who knows what foolishness they get up to). Post expedition, he considers us sensible enough to be trusted with a holy superweapon.
 
Well, we don't have confirmation that the warhammer universe doesn't follow cartoon rules, so the fire breath bottle could really just be a blend of really hot peppers.
 
Re: the Border Princes, K8P being retaken should do a fair amount on its own to pare down incoming Waaaghs by providing a hard-point to crash against.

The biggest benefit we could potentially give them would be retaking Iron Rock and Black Crag- that both provides another hard-point, as mentioned previously, as well as gets rid of locations where Waaaghs form.

Of course, just garrisoning all of that would be a challenge, let alone actually retaking it.

I see both of these as being a question of throwing gold at the problem. With Mathilde getting better and better at decapitating their leadership and getting away clean as well as her ability to recruit allies growing, the price in dwarven lives should keep going down and down. If the Karag Dum expedition does go well, I can see there being enormous internal political pressure within the Karaz Ankor to sponsor similar expeditions to other fallen holds. A small core of dwarves along with a huge human meat shield and wizards as force multipliers.

Karak Drazh is the obvious next step, given that I think it's currently blocking the Underway route between Karak Eight Peaks and the holds to the north, and we can easily support an immense concentration of forces here, much more than the initial K8P expedition could. Not to mention that the annihilation of Waagh Birdmuncha should have left their numbers significant;y diminished.

Honestly, maybe? To me, it seems Kragg's estimation of Mathilde has improved a whole lot, and part of that is not doing stupid things. I can see pre-expedition Kragg believing that wizardlings just randomly chew tainted meat (there's stories about manlings and warpstone, and who knows what foolishness they get up to). Post expedition, he considers us sensible enough to be trusted with a holy superweapon.

Some wizards do apparently try to snort warpstone, skaven style, for extra power...
 
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This sentence is a doozy. 'When can we stop having to argue'. Nobody ever had to argue. Everyone that did so made a choice to do so.
No, they can't. It did not and does not work that way.

You're treating romance as one big unchanging question that requires one big unchanging answer. If that was the case then yeah, it would be pointless to drag it out. But it's not. It's a journey, like every other part of Mathilde's life. It involves Mathilde figuring out what she wants, and the thread figuring out what it wants for Mathilde. Forcing the thread to lock in an answer sight unseen would be weird and it would cheapen the characters and the relationship.
Which is fine and fair... but the process of "the thread figuring out what it wants" involves, well... the thread arguing about what it wants.

It's very hard for the thread to have a process that concludes in a decision about "what we want" without debate. If the debate grows tiresome, then it is probably because the debate is, for one reason or another, not given a chance to achieve resolution or closure.

As an example unrelated to romance, Xantalos has a quest in which the lizardmen get teleported from the End Times into Warhammer 40k. Well, Warhammer 27k or so, I think. Anyway. The point is, we've got ongoing options in that quest about how to deal with the native species on the planet the lizardmen got teleported to. Any of these options are going to have ramifications, and they're irreversible, and they're one of the most important decisions of the current plot arc. BUT we have good reason to postpone our choice until we have the resources to implement it, which won't be for another few game turns.

This means we've had several rounds of bitter, relitigated debates over the issue, for obvious reasons, ever since the options were first offered to us. Why? Simple. Because it's never over. There's never a good reason to stop arguing, in and of itself.

...

Now here, you're straight up saying "stop arguing," hopefully we can honor that.

But if people keep being in a position to make choices on the issue, and if nothing is set in stone, then it's really hard to ask people to stop having opinions on an ongoing subject, or to stop trying to persuade others. If every time we have a turn vote, Mathilde gets a "dump Panoramia" option, then it's a bit of an ask to try and get people who never really wanted to date her in the first place to stop arguing for dumping Panoramia, for instance. They're being asked to behave as if the matter is resolved, while simultaneously being given an option to de-resolve it and told the thread is still supposed to be figuring out what to do.

It does present kind of a dilemma, I admit.

We could... try to ban discussing romance and just let people vote their individual preferences privately, I guess?

Dhar contaminated food and drink? I'd hope almost certainly. One of the big reasons Karak Eight Peaks originally fell in canon, apparently, was the skaven contaminating the wells with warpstone. As we were on the way to Karak Eight Peaks to fight skaven, I'd expect Kragg to remember the records of what had happened before and defend against it.
 
This should be a big reason to start the process of cleaning up Karak Drazh. Even if it can only be lightly garrisoned by the old dwarven royal clan and has to be mostly held by mercenaries, securing it should mean that one of the major locations for greenskins to concentrate and Waaghs to brew up has been removed.

That would take a serious expedition. Tens of thousands of dawi and tens of thousands humans.

Belegar's success could inspire a serious attempt at retaking the hold; there was a successful raid much later in canon from what I remember and having Karak Eight Peaks nearby could only help. That said it isn't something Belegar can do alone.
 
Been looking over the spell list, and I have an idea for a possible spell for ranged fights and information denial.

Obscuring Mist: A bank of thick fog suitable for obscuring vision. To creatures in contact with it, it is invisible, not obstructing their vision at all. To everyone else it is too thick to see through properly.

The point is to prevent accurate enemy archery and confound enemy scouts.

Sending out a bank of fog with no one in it could even bait enemy artillery.
 
That would take a serious expedition. Tens of thousands of dawi and tens of thousands humans.

Belegar's success could inspire a serious attempt at retaking the hold; there was a successful raid much later in canon from what I remember and having Karak Eight Peaks nearby could only help. That said it isn't something Belegar can do alone.

I don't think you need tens of thousands of dwarves. I think you need the royal clan (a few hundreds) for political reasons, but from what we've seen I think that if the Karak Dum expedition goes well all the other troops could be non-dwarven. As a result, while I think that Belegar could literally do it alone purely with hired mercenaries, for diplomatic reasons he can't, but that he'd find it very hard to say no if said royal clan of Karak Drazh rocked up at Karak Eight peaks and asked for his assistance. After all, he's sent no dwarves to help the Karak Dum expedition.

It would be embarrassing for the other holds not to contribute, and I'm pretty sure that for Karak Azul Kazador would volunteer his Throng, but I don't think they're required.
 
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in the absence of fuel sources, could a steak be cooked to perfection by gently soaking it in dhar before exposing it to the belt?
Well, we don't have confirmation that the warhammer universe doesn't follow cartoon rules, so the fire breath bottle could really just be a blend of really hot peppers.

Looks like over in Panoramia!Quest, players are eyeing forbidden halfling cooking techniques...
 
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