Not surprising.
Most wizards aren't Mathilde, who goes around hitting things with a big honking sword.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Most wizards aren't Mathilde, who goes around hitting things with a big honking sword.
So we could learn Arcane Khazalid in one action on a good roll. Might be worth considering for next turn then.
Ericwinter
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Hey, that's not all she does... sometimes she shoots them too.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Okay have to admit I'm up for learning Arcane Khazalid as well, we're not getting any runesmiths on the journey so we'll have to be the ones that do it.
So overwork action.
Fogpath/Robes/Pall of darkness/Arcane mark (depending on what we need)
Arcane Khazalid
Join the expedition
Coin on protector.
Who else is up for learning Arcane Khazalid?
So overwork action.
Fogpath/Robes/Pall of darkness/Arcane mark (depending on what we need)
Arcane Khazalid
Join the expedition
Coin on protector.
Who else is up for learning Arcane Khazalid?
Yeah, with no runesmiths along and confirmation that we can't phone home via Wolf, learning Arcane Khazalid is much more urgent.
If there are no local friendly runesmiths and we need to dispel a runic trap or open a vault protected with runes, it's probably all on her.
Even partial knowledge is probably much better than knowing nothing.
If there are no local friendly runesmiths and we need to dispel a runic trap or open a vault protected with runes, it's probably all on her.
Even partial knowledge is probably much better than knowing nothing.
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I don't actually see the benefit in randomly learning Arcane Khazalid. What are people hoping it will do?
If I understand correctly, the idea is that Mathilde will be able to look at a runic item and make a reasonable guess as to what it does? Right?
I don't think it would allow for either one of those. It would help her understand what the runes do, but that's it.
EDIT: There is a Gold Magic spell that suppresses magical items and would work on runes.
EDIT2: Ah yes, "Law of Gold". Johann knows it! So actually, it will be up to Johann to open a runic sealed vault.
If I understand correctly, the idea is that Mathilde will be able to look at a runic item and make a reasonable guess as to what it does? Right?
I don't think it would allow for either one of those. It would help her understand what the runes do, but that's it.
EDIT: There is a Gold Magic spell that suppresses magical items and would work on runes.
EDIT2: Ah yes, "Law of Gold". Johann knows it! So actually, it will be up to Johann to open a runic sealed vault.
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I'm game for it. Normally we would have a runesmith, but if theres none then we at least need someone who can understand enough to say "this button unleashes the lava fountain"
Its what the secret messages left to mark runic traps that a Runesmith could bypass would be written in, though Mathilde probably can't engage the mechanisms, its good to not activate deathtraps or at least wave a suitable dwarf at the mechanism.
Its what the secret messages left to mark runic traps that a Runesmith could bypass would be written in, though Mathilde probably can't engage the mechanisms, its good to not activate deathtraps or at least wave a suitable dwarf at the mechanism.
Just like learning necromancy or getting a better perspective on Waaagh magic made her better at dispelling it, I hope that learning Arcane Khazalid will make her better at dispelling/suppressing runes.
Given the precedent that doesn't seem at all unreasonable.
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I want to finish off Cloak Activity, Shadow of Death and the Lesser Magic version of the map. We have word of QM they can be done in one action. Pall of Darkness see-through would be really good, but I want to clean this up so only the battle magic remains.
As I just edited it, dispelling rune wards will actually be Johann's job, not Mathilde's. "Law of Gold".
I don't know if Law of Gold even works on runic items, as opposed to enchanted ones, given it's description of how it functions and how runes eat or disrupt magic.
Beyond that, Law of Gold is pretty short duration.
Mathilde strongly suspects it may exist, which is enough. This is something BoneyM has confirmed repeatedly.
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- North Wales
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- He/Him/His
I'd be on board, but the mega-crunchtime of next turn is probably not the best time to push that plan. None of them are likely to prove useful on the expedition.
Honestly it sounds like the kind of thing to do on the post-Expedition turn if we do go for the overwork action. Low-impact, low-risk relaxation that doesn't care about fumbling a roll from the -10 penalty.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Mathilde knows it exists. what you've just said is nonsensical.
Here's the thing, we can't do fully ooc actions like you're suggesting that would be, if Mathilde had no reason to believe arcane khazalid existed we flatly wouldn't be allowed to make the attempt, if you don't want to do an action say as much, don't couch it those terms.
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learning any new spell is never a low-risk action.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Learning non-battle magic spells is very low risk for Mathilde.
I'd still not like to do it with a -10 penalty. That's a period when we should probably be doing low risk self-improvement actions like learning mundane skills.
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- He/Him/His
With Magic 9 and likely a bonus for learning the Lesser MAP for prior familiarity with the Ulgu version, I'm really not that worried. Low risk is not 'no risk', but a -10 is so unlikely to make or break that roll that it falls into the former.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
The remaining spells are all moderately complicated or easier I'm fine with taking that gamble then, although I agree mundane skills might be more sensible/safer.
I am not going to vote for any plan with overwork in it anyway. Not when when people are casually toying with stretch goals like "finish our spell list" or "learn arcane khazalid".
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Focusing on self-improvement immediately after the expedition seems silly when we have put all our research projects on pause for several years while we deal with Karag Dum. I'd really like to spend T34 in the lab as much as possible.
I think 1 AP's worth of Runesmith Khazalid is of minimal expected use compared to the other things we could spend 1 AP in the last turn we go before the expedition, and not worth eating an Overwork penalty for.
I think 1 AP's worth of Runesmith Khazalid is of minimal expected use compared to the other things we could spend 1 AP in the last turn we go before the expedition, and not worth eating an Overwork penalty for.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Finish our spell list is irrelevant, Arcane Khazalid is very relevant as we're getting no rune smiths and the comments about Johann being able to just casually knock runes off line are wishful thinking and do nothing to take into account potential runic traps and contingencies. Learning arcane Khazalid at this point is a necessity now that we can't just ask Kragg or Thorek via Wolf radio and we'll have precisely zero runesmiths on hand..
1AP of Arcane Khazalid is in the realm of learning the language in one go due to Khazalid familiarity.
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- Location
- Chicago
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- She/They
Give me any quotes from the story where arcane khalazid is mentioned. Any at all.
I kinda hate both deus ex machinas that crash into a story with no warning or foreshadowing in the text itself, and I'm not a fan of something like learning a super-secret magical language be an afterthought before we go do something else.
You see it as a valid choice because WoG. I see it as a cheap powegamer move that destroys the chance for it to be a story later.
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When, and how, did we become telepathic, at all, let alone enough to download fundemantal world views from other people?