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here you go.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Let me put the whole discussion here.
In this scenario, we pretty explicitly became telepathic after completing step 1 of the explicitly pie in the sky scenario you were refering to in your first reply in which I replied.
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Ok, fair. But that's a puzzle (why can this language be translated consistently with magical means?) about khalazid, and only at a huge reach an indication that there is a second, different language involved. If you are interested in researching what makes a language consistent enough to be magically translated, cool: I'll vote AP for that project.
I'm not going to vote for the leap of logic that says 'this is the answer to that puzzle, now gimme!'
It's cheap. And it cheapens dwarf secrets.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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The We is not telepathic tou.
Though...the We aren't telepathic, they just talk to each other via infrasonics/ultrasonics.
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Ooops....
Back to the drawing board for unrealistic pie in the sky technically plausible but practically impossible suggestions, then
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That was the previous statement.
It should work, but he'd need to know the Runes are there and be able to access them directly to work his magic.
There we have it. Thanks for digging up the reference.
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"Two to three" is a big difference from "one to two," especially in the context of go mode right before a jaunt into Hell's suburbs. Thank you for digging up the citation, @LightLan.
the Force Chamon and disable "any hidden runes that might be about to ruin my day as I walk down this hall." Got it.
So if we spot a runic array on the walls within reach, he could LoG them, but he couldn't reach out with
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Dwarf magic working like literally every other form of magic isn't a big stretch, especially when the whole point of runes is that they're very visible a language.
I can sympathize with a feeling of it lacking gravitas, but we know it works like that, and it's already an option the gm has approved.
(I don't want it because I just don't think it's neat, probably for similar reasons to your objections regarding us not having worked for it, for context. But, that doesn't mean other people who do want it are wrong.)
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
It will never become part of the story (in terms of Mathilde learning it.) unless we make it so, every system of magic. EVERY system of magic has an arcane language it's baked into the fundamentals of the setting that speaking makes using magic easier, even daemons do this. You call it a deus ex machina, which is incredibly disingenuous. It's been part of the story before, it's only an 'after thought' because we figured we'd never need it.
Every one assumed we would have runesmith presence on the expedition. We wont, so if we don't learn it now we'll miss out on a lot of the benefits on having a rune smith on hand, if nothing else there may come a time when we have to choose what to take from Karak Dum if it's fallen and we're taking stuff out, with out knowing arcane Khazalid it's quite possible that recorded rune lore of the Dum rune masters will be lost permanently as no one will be on hand to know what they're looking at.
Every one was super enthused for the coins to save even a smidgen of the history that the coins represented, well we're going on a expedition where knowing Arcane Khazalid is likely to make a huge difference in what runic lore we could potentially bring back and save.
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One interesting thing about having van Horstmann on the expedition is that we "know" he is Lord Magister material, though he hasn't been appointed as such yet. Interacting with him should give a much better idea on if he's doing/learning anything that Mathilde isn't.
(hypothetical example)
VAN HORSTMANN TRAITS:
Knows two Battlemagic spells
Knows complete sub-BM college spellbook
Pals with a dragon
College Rep 200+
Sold soul to Chaos
Diplomacy 15+
Magic trait 8+
Imperial Contacts
MATHILDE: Okay, obviously if I want to be an LM someday I need to hit everything on this list.
(hypothetical example)
VAN HORSTMANN TRAITS:
Knows two Battlemagic spells
Knows complete sub-BM college spellbook
Pals with a dragon
College Rep 200+
Sold soul to Chaos
Diplomacy 15+
Magic trait 8+
Imperial Contacts
MATHILDE: Okay, obviously if I want to be an LM someday I need to hit everything on this list.
tapkomet
Senātus Populusque Rōmānus
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Tzeentch's plan of infiltrating the Order wizards has succeeded too well - now all the wizards in the College are actually Tzeenchites! Except each one believes they are operating alone and everyone else is loyal to the Empire, so they behave indistinguishably from how normal Order mages would
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That was a hypothetical a few people tossed around for "if we use two overwork and are slapped with -30 to all actions on T34 and -20 to all on T35," not a settled thread consensus. We would be completely fucking useless at anything important, so might as well go around interacting with other characters:
I do not support "double overwork" at all, because, as ReImagined says, the world will not let us sit still. I might support a single overwork and eat the -10 on T34, but it would have to be for something pretty damn important to merit that. As I've said multiple times over the past couple months, I'd really like us to get back in the saddle for our research projects: for instance, T34 would be a perfect time to slap Gambler on Tongs and find out if that idea people have been kicking around for literal years has anything to it at all.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I'd be a lot more on board with that if I believed we'd ever do tongs, I don't though.
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That's fair, but I'd say that knowing how every other system of magic works is quite literally OOC, since no one in world has either looked at the splatbooks or learned all of the different ways of casting magic. So I'm not really willing to accept that as IC reasoning.
I'd also point out that we do know IC that the runelord's secrets are very tightly held, and full of holes and gaps. In that sense it's analogous to the elven magical language, which we do know isn't actually a language anymore so much as a thing to be scavenged for bits that work in lingua preasentia. So the assumption that Mathilde would guess it is still a complete language she could learn is also one I disagree with.
You want us to learn what might be one of the most closely held mystic traditions of the runesmiths, secret to the point where it had never even been mentioned onscreen, as a last minute request before we dive of into chaos. Might as well just ask them to teach us to smith a rune- I see no reason to think they'd be any less amenable to that.
I don't want to see it trivialized like that.
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...okay, I guess I could stop advocating for your preferred course of action if that would make you happier?
I have no attachment to tongs, I've just been including it in the "full court press on research" plan because there have been people champing at the bit for it for a long time and "right after the expedition" looks like the best time to do it. But if y'all have given up, then okay, I guess!
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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Nah man, I am still fully invested in at least checking it out, with a great deal of hope that we get something out of it, even if that something is only another hint on the path like what happened with the Coin.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Uh, Anoqeyån is still a complete and full language that people speak. It's also a dead language, but unless there's something I've missed, it's still a language you can hold a conversation, or be fluent in.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I've already explained to you why this line of reasoning is fallacious.
WE assumed we could have rune smiths on the expedition, now we know we can't. I would have pushed for this earlier if we knew we wouldn't get rune smiths on the expedition earlier.
Also we know that they would be willing to teach us Arcane Khazalid but won't be willing teach us to smith a rune. They aren't remotely equivalent.
It's hard not to become apathetic when every single thing I'd like to see done is essentially never done. This turn had precisely one action that I'm even moderately excited for.
Yea, it's a viable language to talk in for Archmages of the tower of Hoeth, I suspect that there would be more people capable of speaking it than just that though as the language comes from the Slann priests that taught them.
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At this point though, how you view the world is clearly not how the quest world actually operates though? By BoneyM's ruling there's clearly enough for Mathilde to go on to make the request.
You might not want it to be so but it is, so making arguments along the lines of "She doesn't/can't know." is really not the case. So i'd appreciate it if you changed the language you used from being so definitive about things that are clearly at odds with the quest setting. As it's basically spreading misinformation at this point. There's plenty of ways to argue against the action without making it harder for people to actually understand what is and is not possible in the quest world.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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I think Anoqeyån has too much linguistic drift for the Slann to speak it anymore. They'd probably be able to puzzle it out, but I doubt the two are mutually intelligible.
Er... the elven magical language is very much a functioning language which elves know and cast in. They even teach it to none elves in principle, it's just that most humans can't grasp its complexities easily to Teclis made a quick and dirty fix.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I don't think Anoqeyan would have any serious linguistic drift part of the point of it is that it has very hard definitions and the Elves have been literate as a whole for most of their history on Malus. Linguistic drift is going to be much slower is every one can read and write.