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Nah, Ranald and other so-called deities are capable of letting their opinions known despite not being on Mallus, so it's clearly possible. No, the fact that Abel hasn't made his desires clear have to be sabotage on a divine plane.

I instinctively want to blame the God of Deceit(R a n a l d) hovering over MAthilde's shoulder, but while I can think of many ways he benefitted from Abel's untimely death, I can't think of any reason he would want our first liege to stay dead. Except maybe anti-unliving prejudice, that crap crops up everywhere.

Also yes, when Abel returns the resulting drama bomb will be absolutely delicious. Especially now that Mathilde's heart has dared to love again.


Ranald did nothing wrong, his domain is luck and lies and conmen and looking out for the little guy, unfortunately he probably just blew all his available mojo on allowing mathilde to survive that debacle and so he had nothing to spare so as to retroactively have a shallyan priestess or healing type wizard travelling nearby and get lost. (which is basically what it would have taken to save Able)
 
So, I was reading Night's Dark Masters, the 2e Vampires-and-stuff supplement for the RPG, and Genevieve Dieudonne is just there, in the middle of the Lahmian section. 'She is a vampire, in public,' it says. 'The Lahmians are secretly helping her out specifically to make vampires more palatable to the Imperial Populace, because everybody knows she's a vampire but she's also a hero.' This kind of confused me, because every time she's brought up in this thread, as far as I can recall, it's been with somebody throwing in that it's been so long since she was in any published books that she's probably non-canon.

But the edition we're using has her? The Warhammer 2e writers seem to know which side of that line they fall on. (Tone is difficult to convey. This is intended to be more an uncertain 'Um, I found this thing, which suggests this' than a confident 'Ah Hah, you fools! I've shown you all!').

Of course, I can't speak for BoneyM's conception of the lore as the quest is using it. In addition, the book's canon is set some fifty years in the future, in which time a lot of hypothetical Vampire-chic campaigns could have been started by the Lahmians even before she made her appearance, I guess. However, I feel that it should be notable that for all that everybody tried to kill her, they had to employ political machinations and unsanctioned lynch mobs rather than declaring the Emperor incompetent for letting a vampire walk around. It seems like that would be a pretty big thing to just ignore.

So, I guess that just leaves us trying to math out how many Great Deeds saving an Emperor costs. Ten would be five Baronies?
 
This is bad logic. A check lasts up to a day or two and for those two days, having Mathilde there give the place a skilled defender, but apart from that, the 'visit' action does not make the place any safer on its own.

That said, I like to pop in myself. Those interludes appeal to me.

They feel... grounding, perhaps.
I agree with this. I like our check-ins. That said, I think ~5 years between visits seems reasonable, both in and out of universe. We last visited our fief on the social round of T24, in the second half of 2481. We are now finishing up the first half of 2485. So "shortly after we return from KD" seems reasonable to me for our next visit, if we don't get to it next turn (which would be the 4 year mark).
 
Ranald did nothing wrong, his domain is luck and lies and conmen and looking out for the little guy, unfortunately he probably just blew all his available mojo on allowing mathilde to survive that debacle and so he had nothing to spare so as to retroactively have a shallyan priestess or healing type wizard travelling nearby and get lost. (which is basically what it would have taken to save Able)
Pfft, he had an agent(Gabriella) (who is known to carry divine Shallya energy that Ranald could've stolen) in the area, he knew what was happening, he could've done something. Just something as minor as poking Sigmar's shoulder and telling the big loaf to not be an incompetent idiot should've been enough, considering Kasmir's general track record in Eastern Stirland.

But no, he didn't.
 
But the edition we're using has her? The Warhammer 2e writers seem to know which side of that line they fall on. (Tone is difficult to convey. This is intended to be more an uncertain 'Um, I found this thing, which suggests this' than a confident 'Ah Hah, you fools! I've shown you all!').
For me at least, it's mostly a question of how much of her series would still be canon. All we know for sure is "Genevieve is a public vampire that's seen as heroic".

Like, I don't think you can make Constant Drachenfels canon in his entirety, given that wouldn't make any sense. ("Powerful necromancer obsessed with immortality", sure, but not "Older than the coming of the Old Ones", I don't think)
 
So, I was reading Night's Dark Masters, the 2e Vampires-and-stuff supplement for the RPG, and Genevieve Dieudonne is just there, in the middle of the Lahmian section. 'She is a vampire, in public,' it says. 'The Lahmians are secretly helping her out specifically to make vampires more palatable to the Imperial Populace, because everybody knows she's a vampire but she's also a hero.' This kind of confused me, because every time she's brought up in this thread, as far as I can recall, it's been with somebody throwing in that it's been so long since she was in any published books that she's probably non-canon.

But the edition we're using has her? The Warhammer 2e writers seem to know which side of that line they fall on. (Tone is difficult to convey. This is intended to be more an uncertain 'Um, I found this thing, which suggests this' than a confident 'Ah Hah, you fools! I've shown you all!').

Of course, I can't speak for BoneyM's conception of the lore as the quest is using it. In addition, the book's canon is set some fifty years in the future, in which time a lot of hypothetical Vampire-chic campaigns could have been started by the Lahmians even before she made her appearance, I guess. However, I feel that it should be notable that for all that everybody tried to kill her, they had to employ political machinations and unsanctioned lynch mobs rather than declaring the Emperor incompetent for letting a vampire walk around. It seems like that would be a pretty big thing to just ignore.

So, I guess that just leaves us trying to math out how many Great Deeds saving an Emperor costs. Ten would be five Baronies?
She is also in the end times weirdly.

I kind of view Genevieve Dieudonne as an interesting example of how an expanded universe can create some weird stuff.

her books really, really don't fit with later stuff. (from publically accepted vamps to horny dwarfs publicly sniffing said vamps ass infront of a lynch mob. yes, thats a thing.)

but overall they are very fondly remembered books by fans and the people involved in them who still worked in Black Library (the GW book department)

and more importantly the Genevieve Books were an early financial success for a department that was still just floating at that point and still brings in a bit of cash every year. ( probably because they...sort of, work as standalone without the warhammer*tm. (in that kind of half ass teen vampire horror genre thats been around since Interview with a vampire and has been profitable to one level or another for decades.

so Games Workshop is very reluctant to get rid of her, but they tend to keep her under the rug since 6th ed TT and only give token 'shes canon' bits like in 2'ed rpg or the End Time books.


edit: I also feel that without the OCC knowledge we have Mathy would fall under the 'ya right, Stake the bitch before she springs the trap' camp.

as a strilander and avid vamp hater, I don't see Mathy giving her a chance without some serious plot threads and dice rolls leading to that chance.
 
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Pfft, he had an agent(Gabriella) (who is known to carry divine Shallya energy that Ranald could've stolen) in the area, he knew what was happening, he could've done something. Just something as minor as poking Sigmar's shoulder and telling the big loaf to not be an incompetent idiot should've been enough, considering Kasmir's general track record in Eastern Stirland.

But no, he didn't.

He's not gonna just steal from Gabriella for some other worshipper, thats just not good business.

Besides if he steals the divine energy it becomes his divine energy, and his divine energy can't heal things.
 
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He's not gonna just steal from Gabriella for some other worshipper, thats just not good business.
But the fact remains that he could have done it. And chose not to.

If Abel chose to prioritise Gabriella's loyalty, that is fine. Probably even the smart thing to do, given how it ended up.

But that does not mean he doesn't get to suffer the consequences of sacificing Abel like that, even if I am the only one actively fighting for it.
 
edit: I also feel that without the OCC knowledge we have Mathy would fall under the 'ya right, Stake the bitch before she springs the trap' camp.

as a strilander and avid vamp hater, I don't see Mathy giving her a chance without some serious plot threads and dice rolls leading to that chance.
I'm not really saying 'an instance of Genevieve exists within the quest', if that makes sense? It's more like 'given the base material, it would seem hypothetically possible that circumstances could lead to the creation of a Genevieve-like existence, in terms of her self-control and how the Empire doesn't (automatically) burn her at the stake, with Genevieve serving as a conversational example of how that might be handled'.
 
But the fact remains that he could have done it. And chose not to.

If Abel chose to prioritise Gabriella's loyalty, that is fine. Probably even the smart thing to do, given how it ended up.

But that does not mean he doesn't get to suffer the consequences of sacificing Abel like that, even if I am the only one actively fighting for it.

I'm just gonna point out that even if he had stolen the energy, he still couldn't have used it to heal because he doesn't know how to heal.

The only way he could have saved Abel was if he pulled his retroactive reality altering stuff so that a sufficiently capable healer happened to be passing by at that point in time... and I imagine that requires a not insignificant amount of power.

Power that he needs to help his other worshippers.
 
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I'm not really saying 'an instance of Genevieve exists within the quest', if that makes sense? It's more like 'given the base material, it would seem hypothetically possible that circumstances could lead to the creation of a Genevieve-like existence, in terms of her self-control and how the Empire doesn't (automatically) burn her at the stake, with Genevieve serving as a conversational example of how that might be handled'.
and that why i said that in the hypothetically, Mathy would likely be in the 'ya right, don't trust her' camp.
 
I assume that's speculation based on your read of voter behavior? Or has she actually been back for minor off screen
Some things you can just read the thread's mind on. Given a vote for it, seeing how often we go 'what's up with the cactus fief' just out of the blue, it'd be pretty easy to surmise that we'd go to help them.
 
Do not trust... the hypothetical genevieve-like existence?
yes? Mathy is a vampire hater, a stirlander, a self-expressed paranoid grey wizard and has seen and read some of the shit vamps and those involved with necromancy do and think.

why wouldn't she think that the hypothetical genevieve-like existence would be too good to be true? and is just a plot or just a vamp very good at playing the long game.
 
yes? Mathy is a vampire hater, a stirlander, a self-expressed paranoid grey wizard and has seen and read some of the shit vamps and those involved with necromancy do and think.

why wouldn't she think that the hypothetical genevieve-like existence would be too good to be true? and is just a plot or just a vamp very good at playing the long game.
It's a linguistic confusion. I wasn't sure which her you were referring to.
why wouldn't she think that the hypothetical genevieve-like existence would be too good to be true? and is just a plot or just a vamp very good at playing the long game.
(It's us. We'd be the hypothetical Genevieve-like existence.)
 
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yes? Mathy is a vampire hater, a stirlander, a self-expressed paranoid grey wizard and has seen and read some of the shit vamps and those involved with necromancy do and think.

why wouldn't she think that the hypothetical genevieve-like existence would be too good to be true? and is just a plot or just a vamp very good at playing the long game.

What if... and just hear me out on this!

What if we became the Genevieve like Existence?

Then we'd trust it because we trust ourselves!
 
Just finished reading the quest and its amazing even though i know nothing about WH world.
So as i was reading in reader mode and was speed reading through the the story what all the turning into vampire thing going on here?
 
Just finished reading the quest and its amazing and even though i know nothing about WH world.
So as i was reading in reader mode and was speed reading through the the story what all the turning into vampire thing going on here?
A recurring thread conversation that pops up every few hundred pages. All that was written will be written again, but with different variations and themes. The heart of a related meme was crystallized here:
@BoneyM just tell us straight.

Was Mathilde secretly a vampire this entire time?

Plz say yes BTW, because that would be the ballsiest twist ever.
All the way back in 1867.
 
Just finished reading the quest and its amazing even though i know nothing about WH world.
Welcome to the front lines! 🥳

I am a fellow reader whose first exposure to WHF was this quest, so I know how you feel, but give it time and you'll get used to it. The purchase vote is currently going on, so if you want to participate in that, now's a great time to have caught up!
 
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