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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Thinking of shopping I really think we should buy a gyrocarriage for the case where things go tits up and we have to run back south. Mathilde can run on her shadow horse and stealth her way back but Johan and Max are not so blessed.
 
Shovern said:
I mean, Johann has a better Diplomancy score than us, And I'd say we could trust him.
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Technically yes, but practically no. His words don't carry the same weight as ours do and he won't be privy to all the information we have and will have access to. At some point in the expedition, we will have to judge whether to take over or intervene or whatever. It would be up to Mathilde to judge whether she should intervene and how to best do so. We have no one to fall-back on or to delegate to in this matter.

All I'm saying is that by all indications this is a trip where our diplomacy will be tested and given it's our weak point, it could use some shoring up. The last thing we need is to say the wrong thing and alienate Borek or the other expedition leaders.
 
spiritualatheist said:
He isn't even dawongr, so his words won't carry nearly as much weight. Not to mention the intangible narrative benefits that come with Advanced Karaz Ankor Diplo.
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Doesn't that answer the question about us being prepared diplomatic? We have advanced Karaz Ankor.
Its not like we are training to increase our Martial and Intrigue Raw.
Though I am curious. Whats the suggestion to increars our Diplo for the expedition? Kislev diplo?
 
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And Johann still only speaks Reikspiel and Bad Reikspiel, which wouldn't help.

We could study an "allies of the Empire" type of diplomacy class and maybe cover both Bretonnia and Kislev, I think I recall.

I don't think a Gyrocarriage could be sitting around waiting to evacuate. Do they even have the range?
 
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DragonParadox said:
Thinking of shopping I really think we should buy a gyrocarriage for the case where things go tits up and we have to run back south. Mathilde can run on her shadow horse and stealth her way back but Johan and Max are not so blessed.
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If a land based machine enters a patch of "physics now says no", it stops. If a flying machine stops, it falls, to loosly paraphrase why gyrochopers in the Chaos Wastes are a bad idea.

Mathilde can cast shadowsteed for other people to use though, so that'd be a bit helpful, and I don't think that there's a risk of dhar from it if different wind users ride one. Though we've never lent one to another wizard before.
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LightLan said:
Hubert got to ride one of our shadowsteeds once.
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SO HE DID! Thank you, I'm putting this as an edit into my post to prevent confusion, you leg-ended legend
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On an unrelated note, and it'd never catch on in the thread, especially when we can just buy one, but I want to make the Hochlander an item of shadowsteed. Tbh, I kinda wanna deck him out in non-combat Ulgu enchanted items for general utility, but it would never really impact the narrative enough to make such worthwhile.
 
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spiritualatheist said:
He isn't even dawongr, so his words won't carry nearly as much weight. Not to mention the intangible narrative benefits that come with Advanced Karaz Ankor Diplo.
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I missed the context that this was about Dwarf Diplo.

But that doesn't change the fact that I think we should be fine. Like you said we are a Dawonger, speak Kazalid, are a Thane, have advanced Dwarf Diplo and have 130 Dwarf rep. I don't think we'll pick up any super relevant traits since I imagine Advanced Dwarf will outweigh Basic Universal Diplo, and with all of our Narrative advantages, I don't think a +2 to Diplomancy will matter as much.
 
BeepSmile said:
If a land based machine enters a patch of "physics now says no", it stops. If a flying machine stops, it falls, to loosly paraphrase why gyrochopers in the Chaos Wastes are a bad idea.

Mathilde can cast shadowsteed for other people to use though, so that'd be a bit helpful, and I don't think that there's a risk of dhar from it if different wind users ride one. Though we've never lent one to another wizard before.

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On an unrelated note, and it'd never catch on in the thread, especially when we can just buy one, but I want to make the Hochlander an item of shadowsteed. Tbh, I kinda wanna deck him out in non-combat Ulgu enchanted items for general utility, but it would never really impact the narrative enough to make such worthwhile.
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I mean we have options to scout the approach to Dun going in and out by gyro so it has to be at least safe enough for the dwarfs to try.
 
DragonParadox said:
Thinking of shopping I really think we should buy a gyrocarriage for the case where things go tits up and we have to run back south. Mathilde can run on her shadow horse and stealth her way back but Johan and Max are not so blessed.
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It may be a hard sell to get them to let us bring it with us. With so few steam carriages space will be at a premium and a gyrocarriage will consume a lot with its size and need for fuel and spare parts. Also the QM statement that using a device that flies through a mechanical process is a dangerous idea in the chaos wastes where the laws of physics it relies on may decide to say no for a bit.
 
[X] (DRAGON) Just show up and see if it's feeling chatty
[X] (ROSWITA) Attend Roswita's academic presentation
[X] (ANTON) Celebrate Two-Gifts Day with him and his family
[X] (OSWALD) Bond over pets
 
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Gap said:
Doesn't that answer the question about us being prepared diplomatic? We have advanced Karaz Ankor.
Its not like we are training to increase our Martial and Intrigue Raw.
Though I am curious. Whats the suggestion to increars our Diplo for the expedition? Kislev diplo?
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Raw stats indicate how good we are at a narrative level besides just a bonus to rolls. During the Waagh magic lectures, we were able to substitute learning for diplomacy by preparing beforehand but we had no ability to read the crowd nor could we have adjusted if our preparation was bad because our diplomacy sucked.

We don't need to increase the others because we're already really good and specialities are more important. This isn't true with Diplomacy.

As for how, the simplest action would be to take a college course on foreign diplomacy which would raise both Kislev and Bretonnian diplomacy and get us +2 diplo. If we want to go deeper than that, we might be able to grab other relevant diplomatic skills like Kurgan or one of the goblin tribes who reside in the wastes.
 
Quest said:
Technically yes, but practically no. His words don't carry the same weight as ours do and he won't be privy to all the information we have and will have access to. At some point in the expedition, we will have to judge whether to take over or intervene or whatever. It would be up to Mathilde to judge whether she should intervene and how to best do so. We have no one to fall-back on or to delegate to in this matter.

All I'm saying is that by all indications this is a trip where our diplomacy will be tested and given it's our weak point, it could use some shoring up. The last thing we need is to say the wrong thing and alienate Borek or the other expedition leaders.
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Personally, I just don't weigh the possibility of this, and probable consequences of such a thing if it were to happen, as dire enough that I am motivated to put any possible "free" actions on diplomacy rather than on one of the things that people have been discussing dropping from various plans.


DragonParadox said:
I mean we have options to scout the approach to Dun going in and out by gyro so it has to be at least safe enough for the dwarfs to try.
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Huh. Well now I am confused. Maybe a pilot will risk "this far and no further"? ngl, I'm wayyyy too hungover to look for BoneyM's quote and look to see how the context of that meshes with the context of the scouting option, sorry. If I don't forget to, I'll do so after my next sleep. I can see some uses for a gyro-machine if they are considered "safe" to bring in at least some of the way.
 
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[ ] (DRAGON) Visit to investigate magics the Dragon seems to be casting
If we must, then we gather intel

[ ] (ROSWITA) Attend Roswita's academic presentation
May as well learn something

[ ] (ANTON) Visit your fief together
Shrug.

[ ] (OSWALD) Visit Nuln's Gunnery School together
Enjoy some worldbuilding.


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[ ] (DRAGON) Offer to teach it Khazalid
Does this mean committing an Action to doing it?
 
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[ ] (ANTON) Visit your fief together
Two social actions for the price of one! And we get to show our cactus.
[ ] (ANTON) Discuss old times, and how far they've come
I always like this kind of scene, I have to vote for it.
[ ] (ANTON) Discuss his aunt, the Jade Wizard
Because this is interesting, and I wanna hear more.

[ ] (ROSWITA) A shared investigation into the undead
I was really tempted by this, but in the end it's too tied to her father, and that's a shitty approach for a first date.
[ ] (ROSWITA) Attend Roswita's academic presentation
This on the other hand is very similar, but different enough that it doesn't get flag as creepy. It's also work she's very proud of. And nerd!Roswita is second best Roswita, after wizardherder!Roswita.

[ ] (OSWALD) Swap war stories
Honestly, none really speak to me. The other option is pets, but do you really want to discuss Max on a proto-date? [/joke]


[ ] (DRAGON) Offer to teach it Khazalid
Torn between this and linguistics. But this is the practical solution (I assume Mathilde knows that teaching the language is ok.)
[ ] (DRAGON) Visit to investigate magics the Dragon seems to be casting
Magic fuck yeah.
[ ] (DRAGON) Compare notes between its recollections and Dwarven records of its activity
Let's hear some bragging. He can impress us with his big... deeds.
 
Alliterate said:
Wow.
What the heck happened to the Gotri who was trivially out-maneuvered by Anton into cheerfully revealing firearms secrets?

Intrigue 6?
Either he's wised up, or...
Maybe we shouldn't trust his assessment so uncritically?
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Or perhaps everything has gone according to plan. He can't give away secrets, but perhaps if he was swindled out of them?
 
DragonParadox said:
Thinking of shopping I really think we should buy a gyrocarriage for the case where things go tits up and we have to run back south. Mathilde can run on her shadow horse and stealth her way back but Johan and Max are not so blessed.
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I think Johann would be ok. He's sneaky and inexhausitble. Max would be a problem, but we can give him a horse, at least for the short term running away. Getting out would still be a bitch of course.
 
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BeepSmile said:
Personally, I just don't weigh the possibility of this, and probable consequences of such a thing if it were to happen, as dire enough that I am motivated to put any possible "free" actions on diplomacy rather than on one of the things that people have been discussing dropping from various plans.
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If it wasn't a major possibility, we wouldn't be working behind Borek's back to decide the time of the expedition even before we leave for the trip. Dwarven characters wouldn't be offering bargaining chips in case of such an eventuality.
 
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