- Location
- Aotearoa
Sooo... saying we may be glad of having a Great Deed or two in our pocket soon?
Algards' real personnel files:
Assessment:
Very good.
...Good gods I hope not.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Assessment:
Very good.
...Good gods I hope not.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
Hochlander quest is about to get its stakes upped. They entered with the intent of investigating Mathilde's Bursarial obligations, not ascertaining the purity of a prospective Lord (suspected Black) Magister.Laughing as I picture "So you're the patriarch of the Grey Order" game, in a scenario where Reveal No Secrets! wins. Nega-verse Algard players just tearing their hair out as their incredibly suspicious rising star continues to be Hella Dubious.
Half the thread looking at our diplo score and shrugging like "Makes sense I guess. She had to be bad at something." and the other half 100% in paranoia mode and convinced Mathilde is Tzeentch's living avatar in the Old World.
The day those nega-verse Algard players finally manage to voting bloc up and personally investigate us, only to discover the Liber Mortis!? Oh the theoretical salt that will flow!
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
This is the part where the QM reveals that there was hidden text in the chargen choices:
- Location
- Brazil
What do you mean? He speaks Praestiana just fine.
The entire theory and basis for understanding of human magic is not based on eltharin, even if Praestiana itself might be.
So yes, knowing eltharin is useless to him, because he thinks of magic in Praestiana, and at this point it's completely ingrained.
We've asked if learning Aeltharin or whatever the actually even twister language for elf magic would make is better, and were told that no. We learned in Praestiana, we think in Praestiana. Every method we've ever used was based on Praestiana.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
He speaks Reikspiel and Bad Reikspiel. I don't think he actually does speak Praesentia.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
I do have to wonder what kind of rolls Algard Quest even got for Queekish though. Maybe something like the ones Belegar got for us retaking Eight Peaks.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
- Location
- Brazil
Well there you go. Please tell me, what does Eltharin do for Johann, magically speaking?
For that matter, what does it do for Mathilde? I don't think it was ever relevant for our magical studies.
For that matter, what does it do for Mathilde? I don't think it was ever relevant for our magical studies.
shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
- Location
- Melbourne, Australia
The Grey College makes use of how Eltharin and Lingua Presentia are almost the same language for ciphers and such.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
I think Mathilde is probably the most paranoia-inducing factor in Algard and Belegar quests. She's too good, too competent, and everybody knows a GM doesn't give that away for free so they're just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
- Location
- Brazil
Yes, but my question was: how is Johann a lesser wizard by not knowing eltharin?
And how is Mathilde a better one for doing so? Magically speaking, of course.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Right, but that just supports the point of the person you quoted in the first place.
Johann is not interested in abstract knowledge for its own sake. He is fairly focused on things' practical and use values. Mathilde is a nerd who learned Eltharin and Praestantia and Old Reikspiel in school, because she is a dorky bookworm who loves learning useless shit just because. EDIT: Or at least, shit whose immediate practical value is low; knowing Eltharin certainly has paid off for us big time.Yes, the language that forms the basis of the Colleges' collective magical theory is clearly a language that does nothing for him. Because he does not know it.
I think a better way to put this sentiment is that Johann does not give off the vibe of being interested in academia via studying and reading books-- he's rather more hands on and focused on material, practical pursuits.
It's not about being a better or worse wizard, just about what sort of person they each are.
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- Location
- New York
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It allowed Mathilde to make bank getting in with Asarnil and selling his memoirs is what it did for her. Let her make a truce with the dragon too.
Are you arguing against learning languages?
Edit: He's a magister, he can fight, he's clearly good enough to survive and thrive. That doesn't mean he can't improve himself. Mathilde is always improving herself, we just see what she does on screen.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
I'm pretty sure she learned those because they were required by the Grey College, for cyphers, not on her own volition.
- Location
- Brazil
So, magically speaking, it does nothing? Because the implication was that he is a shmuck that isn't benefiting from the wide magical perks of knowing elf. I'm curious as to what those are.
I'm arguing Johann is no less of a wizard or scholar for not knowing eltharin.
For that matter, does Panoramia speak it?
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Ah, good point. Though I think that was only true of Eltharin and Praestantia; Old Reikspiel was an elective.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Well, he's certainly a shmuck that isn't benefiting from the wide magical perks of knowing magic, and he could clear a lot of those up by learning elf, which is fairly similar.
He is certainly less of a wizard and a scholar for not knowing the language of the colleges, because that's how you tell the winds to do the loop-de-loops.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
That implies to me that "Dead language" was a required credit with multiple options, though I suppose it could go either way.
- Location
- Brazil
To get back to what started it: pointing to Panoramia's knowledge of soil as a sign of our obvious compatibility because she is clearly a great scholar... For knowing the fundamentals of her job.
Meanwhile, Johann gets ridiculed by not knowing a language that's largely useless to his magical career. Nevermind that he is widely knowledgeable on metals, likely more than Panoramia is on her own field, or that he isn't remotely expecting to interact with elves at a Karak at the edge of civilization. No, Johann clearly "isn't interested in the pursuit of knowledge" and a bad match for Mathilde.
Massive double standards being applied there.
Meanwhile, Johann gets ridiculed by not knowing a language that's largely useless to his magical career. Nevermind that he is widely knowledgeable on metals, likely more than Panoramia is on her own field, or that he isn't remotely expecting to interact with elves at a Karak at the edge of civilization. No, Johann clearly "isn't interested in the pursuit of knowledge" and a bad match for Mathilde.
Massive double standards being applied there.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Personally, I suspect his mono-focused magic is why he hasn't learned praeswhatever; he's just not capable of grasping a magical language without far more effort than it would take any other wizard.
- Location
- Brazil
Knowing elf does nothing for him magically, because what he knows he knows in Praestiana.
Given he is physically incapable of making magic do loops-de-loops, but is skilled enough on the other side of it to cast some of the most difficult (non BM) spells in any Lore, and is a Magister sufficiently respected to get a dispensation to try and reverse engineer skaventech, and has gilded damn near his entire body with success up till he got to his eyes, perhaps Johann knows a thing or two about being a Gold Wizard and productive uses of his time?
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
My main issue from this—and it's something that I just gained from watching the conversation—is that apparently he doesn't even know enough of Lingua Praestantia to hold a conversation. You know, the basic language for magic that, presumably, most Wizards would learn to at least a conversational degree? Kinda the way he knows a few specific spells that are useful, but not much else. It seems to strike me as a largely utilitarian approach to gaining knowledge, rather than scholarly.
On the other hand, you're right in that we don't really know how Panoramia compares in her scholarly pursuits, so we can't really judge either way.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I've always interpreted it the exact opposite way around; he's limited because he doesn't actually know what he's trying to do. I don't really see the point in arguing it further, though; whether or not I'm correct, his circumstances aren't going to change (unless we buy him a staff and hope he gets his Arcane mark or something).
- Location
- Space
Oh, they actually give you an algorithm, not just a series of dice rolls.Each region is 20x20 squares. (Each square is 4 miles long.) 400 squares total.
Here's Table 1-1:
And here's the table for special features:
This reminds me that I forgot to calculate how much of the Border Princes is rivers but I'm not interested in doing that so I won't.
Anyway. First, I figure out how many rolls I'd need before rolling a special feature. 0+10+20+30+40=100, so 5 rolls. The first roll is average 49 or 51, so roll d50 to find out how many squares it takes. Average is 25. 25*5=125. 1/125=0.008, so 0.8% of a region is special features.
EDIT: I think the average amount of rivers per region is 1.6.
...
Just going to do this the easy way...
Python:
import random
caves = 0
squares = 0
running = 0
rivers = 0
special = 0
while(squares < 400*1000000):
t = random.randint(1,100) + running
if(t > 100):
if(random.randint(1,10) == 1):
cave = random.randint(1,100)
squares = squares + cave
caves = caves + cave
else:
special = special + 1
squares = squares + 1
running = 0
elif(t % 10 == 0):
rivers = rivers + 1
running = running + 10
elif(t > 90):
squares = squares + (50 * random.randint(1,10))
running = running + 10
elif(t > 80):
squares = squares + (20 * random.randint(1,10))
running = running + 10
else:
squares = squares + random.randint(1,100)
running = running + 10
print("Total squares", squares)
print("Cave Squares per 400", caves/1000000)
print("Special Squares per 400", special/1000000)
print("Rivers per 400", rivers/1000000)
Code:
Total squares: 400000012
Cave Squares per 400: 6.959403
Special Squares per 400: 1.234212
Rivers per 400: 0.501959