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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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TotallyNotEvil said:
How someone without Pit of Shades or Purple Sun or a non-T or S based test save-or-die could take out a Celestial Dragon Wizard is kind of mindboggling. And Dragomas is probably up there with Melkoth in casting his specific variant fairly safely.
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Presumably he's got some magic tricks that didn't make it to the splatbook. I'll note that all of those are very lethal though, and I'm not sure how the College feels about using "if this works at all, your opponent is definitely dead" spells in these duels.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
How someone without Pit of Shades or Purple Sun or a non-T or S based test save-or-die could take out a Celestial Dragon Wizard is kind of mindboggling. And Dragomas is probably up there with Melkoth in casting his specific variant fairly safely.
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Well, if we got the first strike in we might turn his spell off, though that's a big if. At that point he's a mage in melee and we've got a greatsword.

But, like, there being a possibility of us winning isn't really the same as being able to say we could actually take him.
Deathbybunnies said:
Presumably he's got some magic tricks that didn't make it to the splatbook. I'll note that all of those are very lethal though, and I'm not sure how the College feels about using "if this works at all, your opponent is definitely dead" spells in these duels.
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This is also a good point. Turning into a Dragon is more of an I-win button because all of the things that could beat it would kill him stone dead, and that's just not done in a setting like that. An excellent defense and a great threat of physical violence does more work there than a single guaranteed burst of supreme murder.
Alliterate said:
Hating academic writing is not the same as being disinterested in pursuing the deeper mysteries of the universe beyond 'can I punch this productively'?
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Yeah. If we'd just wanted to get the paper out we would have been done in a turn. It was only because we kept trying to make it sound interesting to other people that we got the trait.
 
Alliterate said:
Yeah, we can make crystals that target Grobi, or Beastmen, etc. With someone like Panpan providing the magical signatures we could probably work up a functional weed-targeting crystal.

We certainly would prioritise creating one before the second of the monthly weedings you proposed. :V
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Sounds like a nice idea for a romantic project to work on together. They /are/ wizards.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Presumably he's got some magic tricks that didn't make it to the splatbook. I'll note that all of those are very lethal though, and I'm not sure how the College feels about using "if this works at all, your opponent is definitely dead" spells in these duels.
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True, which makes an Amber that wants the position and can reliably Transform more or less invincible.
chocolote12 said:
Well, if we got the first strike in we might turn his spell off, though that's a big if. At that point he's a mage in melee and we've got a greatsword.

But, like, there being a possibility of us winning isn't really the same as being able to say we could actually take him.
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I'm not really talking about us, but about how a Fire Wizard supposedly stayed as SP a long while before Gelt, which presumably means he bested Dragomas. Which seems... unlikely.

I suppose Ol' No Pants could have kicked it some other way, but again, Dragon.
 
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[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor

I think this development is a sharp wake up call not to treat diplomacy as a dump stat for Mathilde.

[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.

Three reasons:
1. I really want to see more worldbuilding, regarding the Dawi cults, and a Festival to Grungni sounds like a wonderful opportunity.
2. The one thing we don't know about Johaan, is his piety and his actual thoughts on religion. Given how important our faith is to us, religion is an important consideration for compatibility.
3. The other two actions feels like something that we can already easily do in the status quo. This feels new.



[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.

I'm surprised there's overwhelming thread consensus for this one. Not that I object.
 
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[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor

[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.

Andmeuths' logic for this pick appeals to me.

[X] Though you rarely think of those days, you did grow up on a farm and know something of the soil. Spend time with her as she goes about her work.

Mathilde sharing her past with Ulthar makes me want to pick this.
 
Andmeuths said:
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.

I'm surprised there's overwhelming thread consensus for this one.
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I'm not. Mathilde hasn't shown much sign of being interested in gardening, and Panoramia hasn't shown much sign of being interested in towers.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
True, which makes an Amber that wants the position and can reliably Transform more or less invincible.

I'm not really talking about us, but about how a Fire Wizard supposedly stayed as SP a long while before Gelt, which presumably means he bested Dragomas. Which seems... unlikely.

I suppose Ol' No Pants could have kicked it some other way, but again, Dragon.
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I'm not sure about that. There's a lot more give in the setting than there is in the rulebooks - I could see someone managing to injure him and demonstrating they were capable of killing him, but were choosing not to.

Similarly I rather suspect that if you threw a wizard capable of Pit of Shades against our Ice dragon, for example, the wizard would not be the favourite in that matchup, even if they would be on paper according to those rules.
 
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Laughing my ass off. "Jeez Mandred! Fuckin' get a knife or something already, you useless baby. You should be commanding the army by this point, right?"

[x] Conceal matters you know the Dwarves would prefer you conceal

I ain't interested in news dripping back to the dwarves and us getting grudged for Anything, haha. If the Empire wants us to proper spy on the dwarves, they can have our boss drop an order on our desk to lay bare all the secrets of the Karaz Ankor and I'll happily go along with it, but not to The Super High Level Diplomat ambushing us during a random visit. :V

If we're just gonna snitch on our good pals at the drop of the hat, we might as well just tell the guy that the Empress is a massive conwoman!

[x] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.

We basically already canonically have pet hangout sessions, and I'm not super interested cross-fit date, so Mine/Craft fest it is :V

[x] Panoramia currently calls a small cottage somewhere in the Eastern Valley home, help her expand it into a proper tower.

Not crazy about her, but if she's in the running we should at least guide her into being a respectable wizard. Honestly, who doesn't have at least one tower? It's no wonder Gretel is the favorite duckling.
 
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Alliterate said:
Hating academic writing is not the same as being disinterested in pursuing the deeper mysteries of the universe beyond 'can I punch this productively'?
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A reminder of what Johann using his 'understand the universe' button looks like:
BoneyM said:
Johann's research into the gem hits an early stumbling block after he cast a spell on it, froze up, and staggered out of the laboratory. For the next week, he refused to do anything productive and had his wolf-rats fetch him food. "Just once," Johann says to you after emerging, "just once I'd like to cast Tale of Metal and find myself watching a master craftsman explaining the process to an apprentice or something. Not experience two hundred semisubjective years of the life of the world's most boring tree."
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"At least the birds were nice. I named them."
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BoneyM said:
"Oh," he says as the magic sinks into his brain, as he frowns and screws his eyes shut. "Oh, that's got a lot of foreign concepts tied into it. Oh, I don't like that." He stands up and walks around the room on shaky legs. "Emperor Luitpold is a person, right?"

"Yes," you say cautiously.

"Then I guess we can confirm this as Cathayan, because my brain is insisting he must be a dragon. Oh, that's going on the cognitohazard list. Okay."
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"Yeah, I just scrambled my brain twice for the world's stupidest talisman. I'm going back to bed."
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BoneyM said:
"No wonder you couldn't figure it out. It's a warpstone reaction, and nobody's stupid enough to use Tale of Metal or Breach the Unknown on warpstone."

"You'd be surprised," is his somber response. "We have a wing at Frederheim from that sort of thing. I had to serve six months there as an Apprentice."
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EDIT: Also, this:
[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
[X] Write in: You're in the mood for pie. Take the gyrocopter out for a ride. To the Moot. With Panoramia.
 
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Alliterate said:
Yeah, he's got some smarts, but he's not... scholastic, he doesn't give the impression of being especially hardworking, he's not a... nerd.
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I think this is massively unfair. Johann's brand of magic is very specialized in one aspect and pays for it in another. He is a savant at doing magic to things, but shit at doing magic to magic.

You don't get to Magister of the Golds if you aren't scholastic. You don't volunteer to go to on a wild expedition that is seem by many as elaborate suicide, to reconquer a Karak at the edge of civilization just so you can study and try to reverse engineer skaven technosorcery into non-evil variants if you aren't hardworking and a massive nerd for magical guns.

And you certainly don't melt out your eyes twice if you aren't dedicated to your craft.
 
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Squarks.

Is divided...loyalties :D

But seriously on the one hand I do want to tell him the non hidden things cause I want people to know and hopefully use them to better human dawi relations...on the other hand I really don't want to tell them because I don't trust anyone in Warhammer not to screw these things up including Mathilde.

Never understimate human greed and stupidity, especially that of politicians...especially an appointed, noble one.

I daren't think how many asses he had to kiss and how many bribes it took to get his position.

Maybe its just the cynic in me, but I don't trust the dawi never mind a human.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Presumably he's got some magic tricks that didn't make it to the splatbook. I'll note that all of those are very lethal though, and I'm not sure how the College feels about using "if this works at all, your opponent is definitely dead" spells in these duels.
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lucky final transmutation?
I seem to remember it has a 1/6 chance of oneshoting multi wound models
 
Durin said:
lucky final transmutation?
I seem to remember it has a 1/6 chance of oneshoting multi wound models
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Bright Wizard, not Gold.

At any rate, the Tabletop is not the end-all, be-all, particularly in this quest, where it's mechanics have featured all of twice. Maybe Gormann was just skilled enough to dodge fire and Dragon until he'd worn Dragomas down enough that he surrendered. Who knows?
 
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[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor

[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.

[X] Though you rarely think of those days, you did grow up on a farm and know something of the soil. Spend time with her as she goes about her work.
 
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor

[X] Though you both use your magic to cheat, you both have an interest in personal fitness. Work out with him.

Mat and Johan first bonded over punching, it should be the basis of their entire romantic relationship.

[X] Panoramia currently calls a small cottage somewhere in the Eastern Valley home, help her expand it into a proper tower.

Mat and Pan-pan first bonded over Mat spontaneously appearing to terrify Pan-Pan into life improvement. Clearly this should be the basis of their relationship.
 
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
[X] Though you rarely think of those days, you did grow up on a farm and know something of the soil. Spend time with her as she goes about her work
 
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
[X] Conceal matters you know the Dwarves would prefer you conceal
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
I'm not really talking about us, but about how a Fire Wizard supposedly stayed as SP a long while before Gelt, which presumably means he bested Dragomas. Which seems... unlikely.

I suppose Ol' No Pants could have kicked it some other way, but again, Dragon.
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My theory is that it was Egrimm van Horstmann that did it on his way out. Who else but the Supreme Patriarch would confront a rogue Magister Patriarch?
 
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