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Its funny but we are only a few posts away of getting another 100 extra pages from the last update...

I have never seen another quest that has advanced 100 pages during an hiatus...

Depends on what you count as a Hiatus. Avalanche's Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character quest can take years between updates, but there's a ton of activity even months after any given update.
 
I'm pretty sure Avalanche's has done it before. Though I suppose you could argue that quest merely has a very, very, very slow update rate.
Depends on what you count as a Hiatus. Avalanche's Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character quest can take years between updates, but there's a ton of activity even months after any given update.
I´m sure you are right, but I don´t follow that quest so no idea about that...
 
At the moment, I mostly desire setting them on Black Crag. The We have a tremendous potential for lowering the attrition that Dwarf holds suffer.

The We are quite suited to attrition warfare- as long as they get more biomass back then they lose from hunters dying, and as long as the egglayers are never threatened, they can keep up with attrition indefinitely.
Honestly, the We are the biggest gift. We should absolutely make sure that we influence their development into being a good person (slash-hivemind), even if it takes up a bunch of AP. Making a lasting alliance between the We and the dwarves would be huge. Not to mention helping the We's population grow tremendously.

Like, greenskins get arachnoroks and squigs, and that's through barbaric and dangerous methods of "taming". The We are intelligent and not inherently violent. For all we know, the We could grow to cherish social interaction as its mind develops and becomes more interested in things beyond just hunting. Maybe it will take an interest in architecture, especially in how it can blend that with its own webweaving capability to make some really impressive fortifications against against skaven and greenskin assault. There are so many possibilities.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if, once knowledge about the We spread to the rest of the Grey Order, that we got a bunch of Grey magisters super-interested in just interacting with them out of sheer curiosity and interest.
 
At the moment, I mostly desire setting them on Black Crag. The We have a tremendous potential for lowering the attrition that Dwarf holds suffer.

The We are quite suited to attrition warfare- as long as they get more biomass back then they lose from hunters dying, and as long as the egglayers are never threatened, they can keep up with attrition indefinitely.
I you sure you aren't talking about the tyranids?
 
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if, once knowledge about the We spread to the rest of the Grey Order, that we got a bunch of Grey magisters super-interested in just interacting with them out of sheer curiosity and interest.
There's already been a published paper, rebuttal, and then counter-rebuttal, as I recall, although the Amber Mage's from the expedition handled the latter half of that. Nobody has shown up yet.
 
Intrigue from Marienburg itself is simply bandits?
Well- this ignores the Empire has a national intelligence agency with literal magical super spies. And if you don't believe for a moment the Greys don't have eyes in Marienburg I've got a bridge to sell you. Marienburg's intrigue capabilities are overhyped considering what the Empire has right next door, out of our jurisdiction, and liable to end up with the ruling merchants killed.

The urge to get the protagonist involved at the first impression of a perceived threat is woefully misplaced here.
 
Agreed. I doubt Greys will miss the potential of Marienburg trying to do something about the new canal, and the benefits said canal might bring to Empire.
Somebody in Order is keeping an eye on this, I am sure. And said somebody is better placed than Mathilde, at least geographically, to take care of it.
 
Well- this ignores the Empire has a national intelligence agency with literal magical super spies. And if you don't believe for a moment the Greys don't have eyes in Marienburg I've got a bridge to sell you. Marienburg's intrigue capabilities are overhyped considering what the Empire has right next door, out of our jurisdiction, and liable to end up with the ruling merchants killed.

The urge to get the protagonist involved at the first impression of a perceived threat is woefully misplaced here.
It's a bit more complex than that: the Empire does have a national intelligence agency, and does have magical superspies, but the magical superspies don't answer to the intelligence agency and largely call their own shots. And, given that the grey order is overworked as it is, I doubt watching Marienburg us high on the list of priorities.

Greys seem to prefer watching existential threats and each other.
 
It's a bit more complex than that: the Empire does have a national intelligence agency, and does have magical superspies, but the magical superspies don't answer to the intelligence agency and largely call their own shots. And, given that the grey order is overworked as it is, I doubt watching Marienburg us high on the list of priorities.

Greys seem to prefer watching existential threats and each other.

Counterexample: Bursar is pretty famous for economics-related intrigue she did in younger days.
(Probably does now too, but Mathilde does not know about that)

So I wager that Greys do keep an eye on economic issues and opportunities, and this southern channel to be most assuredly qualifies as one.
 
It's a bit more complex than that: the Empire does have a national intelligence agency, and does have magical superspies, but the magical superspies don't answer to the intelligence agency and largely call their own shots. And, given that the grey order is overworked as it is, I doubt watching Marienburg us high on the list of priorities.

Greys seem to prefer watching existential threats and each other.

Marienburg is pretty important. It might not rate a full time Magister but there's bound to be a Journeyman or a solid spy network in place.

Furthermore even if Marienburg succeeds in sabotaging the canal... they're not particularly popular with imperial nobility and the dwarfs would be furious. It is quite likely that sabotage would give sufficient pretext for Marienburg to be forcibly brought into the fold, particularly as the conflict in Stirland is winding down.
 
Marienburg is pretty important. It might not rate a full time Magister but there's bound to be a Journeyman or a solid spy network in place.

Furthermore even if Marienburg succeeds in sabotaging the canal... they're not particularly popular with imperial nobility and the dwarfs would be furious. It is quite likely that sabotage would give sufficient pretext for Marienburg to be forcibly brought into the fold, particularly as the conflict in Stirland is winding down.
Well, the question if it comes to force of arms is, are the High Elves going to interfere again? While I'd definitely give Imperial forces better odds than the last time they clashed, that's still not a fight the Empire would want.
 
Well, the question if it comes to force of arms is, are the High Elves going to interfere again? While I'd definitely give Imperial forces better odds than the last time they clashed, that's still not a fight the Empire would want.

Empire having legitimate (and legal) cause for intervention ties the Asur hands quite a lot.

Going to war over Marienburg's sabotage against combined Empire and Barak Varr forces isn't the fight the High Elves want either.
 
Empire having legitimate (and legal) cause for intervention ties the Asur hands quite a lot.
That implies that the High Elves would care about something that happened to Dwarfs.

I'm not saying forces sent by Ulthuan are a certainty or anything, but I think there is still a possibility there.
 
Well, the question if it comes to force of arms is, are the High Elves going to interfere again? While I'd definitely give Imperial forces better odds than the last time they clashed, that's still not a fight the Empire would want.
The High Elves are busy enough without sticking their hands into an internal Imperial squabble.
Marienburg is just a trade partner. And not even a particularly irreplaceable or important one from the elven perspective.
 
They did it the last time.

(It's also, by definition, not internal, given that Marienburg is independent)

From High Elf point of view, the difference is academic at best. Last time, they intervened because Dieter (or was it his successor) was being a shitter and trying to conquer a province Dieter's own stupidity turned independent. Since he was acting like a crazy asshole, I would not put it past High Elves to have expected conflict with him, and simply used Marienburg as the battlefield of choice. In that case, the province remaining independent benefits them, as it provides a buffer zone and meatshields.

In this case, the emperor seems reasonable, and appears to have the support of both the Colleges and the Dwarves (which, or course, Dieter and his successor did not have, for obvious reasons). Marienburg would be initiating the hostilities and weakening a major bulwark against Chaos, Orcs, Skaven and Beastmen out of nothing but jealously, fear and greed. Basically, in this case, Marienburg would be the Dieter. And elves won't die for that shit. Especially since the conflict would not be anywhere near as one-sided as it was last time, when the empire lacked the Magical and Anti-Magical forces required to counter the elves.
 
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Any details on that?
From 4th Edition RPG:
The Battle for Grootscher Marsh.
Emperor Wilhelm III, under pressure from the elector counts to respond to the Wasteland's secession from the empire, gathers the state armies to invade Marienburg. In late autumn, the opposing forces meet at the Grootscher marsh just outside Siert, and the empire is routed by the advanced Marienburg navy, well-trained mercenaries and militias, and the magics of the Wasteland's High Elven allies. Begrudgingly, Wilhelm verbally recognises the Wasteland's independence, but refuses to ratify it with a treaty. Marienburg accepts this and draws their new border at Siert.

As far as I'm aware, there's never been anything more than that.
 
Any details on that?
In 2429, Dieter IV was deposed after accepting a massive bribe to grant Marienburg independence. Emperor Wilhelm III, also known as Wilhelm the Wise (more out of contrast than anything) and the current Emperor's grandfather, got off to a bad start when some circus illusionists made off with a significant chunk of his treasury and he tried to hold a mass trial for wizardry in general on charges of 'witchcraft and consorting with Chaos'. The Colleges were into year fourteen of their 'siege' at this point, so funnily enough none of them arrived to defend themselves. The trial was postponed for Wilhelm III to go reconquer Marienburg, but they were allied with Ulthuan and things went devastatingly bad for the forces of the Empire. Wilhelm went 'wow okay point fucking made holy shit' and reopened the Colleges in 2430.
From High Elf point of view, the difference is academic at best. Last time, they intervened because Dieter (or was it his successor) was being a shitter and trying to conquer a province Dieter's own stupidity turned independent. Since he was acting like a crazy asshole, I would not put it past High Elves to have expected conflict with him, and simply used Marienburg as the battlefield of choice. In that case, the province remaining independent benefits them, as it provides a buffer zone and meatshields.

In this case, the emperor seems reasonable, and appears to have the support of both the Colleges and the Dwarves (which, or course, Dieter did not have, for obvious reasons). Marienburg would be initiating the hostilities and weakening a major bulwark against Chaos, Orcs, Skaven and Beastmen out of nothing but jealously, fear and greed. Basically, in this case, Marienburg would be the Dieter. And elves won't die for that shit. Especially since the conflict would not be anywhere near as one-sided as it was last time, when the empire lacked the Magical and Anti-Magical forces required to counter the elves.
Point of note, the Empire never actually acknowledged that independence granted to Marienburg was legitimate. So while one can argue how assholish Wilhelm was, there was nothing crazy about attempting to reverse an unlawful secession, especially of territory as important as Marienburg.
 
And even that is doubtful, as 4th edition rpg canon status is very questionable in this game
It's in agreement with stuff as far back as 4th Edition Empire army book, I just grabbed that because the wiki said where it was.

(Also, the GM post covering the same material is quoted right above yours)
 
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That implies that the High Elves would care about something that happened to Dwarfs.

I'm not saying forces sent by Ulthuan are a certainty or anything, but I think there is still a possibility there.

Don't misunderstand, the legal grievience matters regarding the Empire.

As for dwarfs, Asur care not because they like them (they very much don't) but because they have much to lose and very little to gain by backing Marienburg in the potential Marienburg VS Empire + Barak Varr war.
 
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