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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Travler66 said:
Another problem is Ariel. Because we can recognise Dhar when we see it, we might accidentally see the Dhar corruption in her soul. If/When Ariel realizes that and decides that we need to die, that will be pretty much all she wrote. Unless we become friends with the Everqueen and get her to heal Ariel of her corruption.
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I don't think we should expect the recent events in DoDA to repeat themselves in an entirely different quest.

Travler66 said:
I don't think this topic has been discussed but what is going to be our stance when it comes to Wood Elves?
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That rather depends on the circumstances that we meet them in.

I don't anticipate meeting them any time soon. Yeah, Karak Norn comes into conflict with them, but we don't work for Norn.
 
Travler66 said:
Another problem is Ariel. Because we can recognise Dhar when we see it, we might accidentally see the Dhar corruption in her soul. If/When Ariel realizes that and decides that we need to die, that will be pretty much all she wrote. Unless we become friends with the Everqueen and get her to heal Ariel of her corruption.
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The Wood Elves in general use Dhar though.
At least the Lore of Dark Magic is available to their mages.

I doubt the presence of Dhar in Ariel would register as unusual, if we had met Dark Mages among the Asrai before.
Of course we wouldn't even get that far, their greeting to strangers is a warning arrow followed by a non-warning arrow, not an invitation.
 
Mopman43 said:
Well, only in 8th edition, as far as I'm aware. I generally don't want to assume anything about other factions before we meet them.
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Me neither.

So lets start from the ground off.
We know Asrai are rather isolationist and rarely let mortals (or others) enter their forests.

And that's most of what we know.
Building on this broad IC base, I would suggest not interacting with the WEs unless they contact us for some reason.
 
Mopman43 said:
I don't think we should expect the recent events in DoDA to repeat themselves in an entirely different quest.
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I agree. It was only a suggestion really.
Asheram said:
Wood Elves have taken isolationism and turned it into an artform, and that's in comparison to the other Elves out there.
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Then we'll just have to get them to notice us by killing lots of Beastmen.
Asheram said:
The only practical way of approaching them would be the same as we did with the Skaven, taking a prisoner.
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I feel that's a little extreme don't you think? I can see the reasoning but neither the prisoner or his friends will take kindly to that.
 
It doesn't seem likely we'll have anything to do with Wood Elves for the forseeable future; we've no reason to go wandering into any of their woods, and they've even less reason to come to a dwarven karak. Unless they're invading, of course, but we're not the ones who've been raiding them for wood and that situation wouldn't exactly be conducive to friendly relations anyway.
 
It's not like one of Athel Loren's neighbors recently got inspired to be friendlier with dwarves by King Belegar's actions, or anything. Even if they had, there's absolutely no precedent for Wood Elves attacking a location without regard for geographic distance.
 
NSMS said:
It doesn't seem likely we'll have anything to do with Wood Elves for the forseeable future; we've no reason to go wandering into any of their woods, and they've even less reason to come to a dwarven karak. Unless they're invading, of course, but we're not the ones who've been raiding them for wood and that situation wouldn't exactly be conducive to friendly relations anyway.
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Don't forget the biggest reason: It would take AP. Between the Research faction, the Training faction, "I wanted to play civilization" faction, the "Murder everything that bothers our innocent helpless dwarf darlings" faction, and the "Ohh shiny" faction(s), the only way Wood Elf actions will get any traction is if they're behind the Nordland/Middenheim disappreances and the Al-Ulric asks for our intervention.
 
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I'll admit my lore is practically nonexistent, but according to the wiki at least, Ariel was already healed of her corruption when some Elder tree guy sacrificed himself to take all her taint into himself. Then she locked herself away in the Oak of Ages out of shame for her crimes commited while insane. Is that not correct?
 
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Travler66 said:
I don't think this topic has been discussed but what is going to be our stance when it comes to Wood Elves?

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What do you guys think?
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Without an info dump from BoneyM on what canon/head-canon/fanon this quest's Wood Elves are running on there isn't that much to discuss.
They could be true neutral jerks we could potentially negotiate with.
They could be 'dynamic neutral' arseholes we are obligated to attack out of hand because half of them are insane murderous chaos worshippers.
They could be an actual faction with many sub-factions and internal divisions. In which case the exact circumstances matter a lot more than generalities.

Something we can speculate about is how likely it is that Belegar will lend his loremaster out to other holds. Karak Norn may have troubles with Wood Elves but K8P almost certainly won't.
Mathilde did work in Stirland more because she had personal obligations there than because Belegar wanted her working on other people's problems.
 
BurnNote said:
I pretty sure the headman is the official leader of the village in every way that counts, whether or not he was appointed externally or chosen by the village in some manner. Each time Mathilde went to a village for official business, she talked to the headman as as the official business person. And at it's core, being considered the official business person is what makes someone an official business person.
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Exactly. The headman is the final local authority, the lawman is the sheriff/chief of police(well they got ONE cop) who objected on principle.

Higher authority agreed with the lawman, fortunately for everyone
 
veekie said:
Exactly. The headman is the final local authority, the lawman is the sheriff/chief of police(well they got ONE cop) who objected on principle.

Higher authority agreed with the lawman, fortunately for everyone
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Considering that the headsman was the one who dragged Mathilde out to be burnt, it was less that he agreed with the lawman and more that he was afraid the lawman would stab him and anybody else who kept trying to burn Mathilde.
He doesn't see the face of the girl that he dragged into the village square fourteen years ago, screaming for her to be burned; her mother and father had stood and watched and said nothing as the villagers started to gather firewood. Then someone arrived who argued, the single man that served as law enforcement in Kelham, who said that there was laws. That the girl had done no crime with her magic; that she hadn't harmed anyone nor raised the dead nor summoned creatures, only made a toy horse neigh. And the man that had once fought and bled for Stirland placed a hand on the hilt of his battered sword, and he insisted.
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NSMS said:
Considering that the headsman was the one who dragged Mathilde out to be burnt, it was less that he agreed with the lawman and more that he was afraid the lawman would stab him and anybody else who kept trying to burn Mathilde.
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Well yes, that tends to be a risk if the guy in charge has a serious dispute with their armed forces!
 
Look, regarding Asrai and other potentially Dhar inflicted factions we want to diplomance, there's a simple solution: We have a belt that burns Dhar.

Just give then a hug and let Valaya burn it out. If they live, great! And if they die, we have a spell for that.

Though with the Asrai we might have to disguise Mathilde as a tree if we want any hugs...
 
Omegahugger said:
Look, regarding Asrai and other potentially Dhar inflicted factions we want to diplomance, there's a simple solution: We have a belt that burns Dhar.

Just give then a hug and let Valaya burn it out. If they live, great! And if they die, we have a spell for that.

Though with the Asrai we might have to disguise Mathilde as a tree if we want any hugs...
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I support this plan. Hugging it out is always the superior diplomatic option (I'm still sad we didn't get to hug the We or the dragon).
That said, I'm a bit worried, this doesn't sound like an OmegaHugger™-Plan. It doesn't even advocate Necromancy, since we've got our nice Ghyran seed for that (which even has bark and other plant stuff, so you know they'll like it). Are you ok?
 
BurnNote said:
That said, I'm a bit worried, this doesn't sound like an OmegaHugger™-Plan.
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BurnNote said:
I support this plan. Hugging it out is always the superior diplomatic option (I'm still sad we didn't get to hug the We or the dragon).
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Plus, you know, getting Mathilde( the Thread) to be comfortable dealing with those who deal with Dhar is a neccesary step for my plans, even if it is at a slower pace than I usually advocate.
 
Out of curiosity, but why do some people so focused on pushing us towards learning Nagash derived necromancy and not the new and innovative Ulgu-Dhar casting?
 
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