Asheram
Not quite altogether
- Location
- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
The hype is immense. We might get offers for the K8P (Cape) Institute sooner rather than later.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
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Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
It was, actually, one point two million greenskins. Snotlings are usually cannon fodder, but considering they were all trained and dedicated sappers (Snotlings as trained and dedicated anythings, it was practically cheating) with an actual battlefield role, they don't exactly not count.
- Location
- Chicago
Well I mean when you have that many sntolings it turns into a hobby
pucflek
Verified simpleton
- Location
- Czech Republic
Na, i derped out. Translation differences and all, i took seven figure as number with seven zeroes, which is obviously wrong, in hindsight. Silly of me.
- Location
- Aotearoa
Well, consider my interest increased, too. Great teaser piece!
Unless we're inundated, we already set up Journeymanling accomodations in Nar very early on.
Edit: and there are very likely inns set up for caravans and visiting traders, too.
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- Chicago
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- She/They
Oh! Question to the thread: U-K8P school colors, what should they be? I grabbed red and gold off @BoneyM 's avatar pic, but I'm second-guessing myself now.
Lol. Well, I can't really change it now given the origin story, but let me go add a line about quarter-field rules. That was supposed to be there version that evolved into the modern game, anyways.
Not the whole faculty! Just the administration. And a few of the intro classes. And some security and maintenance. But there are two-legs! In authority even!
😏
Also, thanks for edits! I do a pass, but phone typing is not forgiving.
Soooo, pronounced Capey? 😁
Lol. Well, I can't really change it now given the origin story, but let me go add a line about quarter-field rules. That was supposed to be there version that evolved into the modern game, anyways.
Not the whole faculty! Just the administration. And a few of the intro classes. And some security and maintenance. But there are two-legs! In authority even!
😏
Also, thanks for edits! I do a pass, but phone typing is not forgiving.
Soooo, pronounced Capey? 😁
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Asheram
Not quite altogether
- Location
- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
I'm currently split between that and
Karag Eight-Peaks institute of Thaumaturgy, Engineering and Xenology. Or, Cryptex.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
I mean, I figure silver would be included.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Grey, on a background of glorious grey, bordered by the most resplendent grey.
- Location
- Singapore
If the Center of Learning Great Boon wins, we probably don't have to spend that favor nor GC to make those accommodations. That's the big draw of the boon - I foresee the thread would keep sinking money on books and infrastructure for our penthouse, and equipment for research, and facilities for the Duckling club and so on. The Center of Learning Great Boon would almost certainly allow us to minimize the GC and Favor cost, or at least receive a persistent budget even beyond our term of service as Loremaster.
Also, I think that for all the talk about a University, no-one has suggested that Mathilde would be the one who runs it - infact, the position of most advocates is that this is a development that likely would take place beyond Mathilde's life-time, even if Mathilde laid the fundamental seeds. What is more likely to emerge in Mathilde's life-time is a Grand Library, a Research Center that only admits Journeymen senior enough to be recommended by their Colleges who are probably on their push towards a Magistership and wishes to work within the Karaz Ankor, a natural outgrowth of what the Duckling club is already doing - plus, whatever apprentices Gotri attracts to him to provide the Eight Peaks with a self-sustaining Engineering corps.
Remember, even if the boon permits the formation of the University to be eventually incorporated when the "time is right", where such a proviso applies indefinitely beyond Mathilde's life-time, I doubt the thread would vote for that in the foreseeable future given the conversation is that on organic growth. A provision on the charter to permit an incorporation in the University is to ensure that future internal politics doesn't act as a stumbling block to organic growth, not a provision that Mathilde must be a headmistress. Indeed, the charter probably is meant to ensure that if a credible individual wishes to form a school, can secure students and is willing to play head-master and is willing to sink his or her AP in it, he or she doesn't have to spend the College or Dwarven favor to gain recognition, funding, and approval, because it's already covered by the boon - if the budget is available.
The individual does not have to be Mathilde, and I do hope the ultimate provisos of this boon makes that clear that a sufficiently credible and trustworthy master could make a School around the library if he is willing to put his AP into it. With it being made very clear that said headmaster doesn't have to be Mathilde herself - scholars who have made enough contributions to the Center of Learning may well be able to open their own formal school from an already functioning informal community built around the library, so long as said school doesn't threaten the survival of the Karak.
For example, Magister Panaromia could easily create a Jade conclave for Jade journeymen under the boon for agrarian research and training fellow potential Jade Magister candidates without having to spend her favor under the Center of Learning Boon, if the infrastructure (like turning an old guest quarters for visiting scholars into a formal student dorm) for that is already there because of previous Center of Learning actions. It might be, that she has to wait until the Eight Peaks economy is strong enough for her to employ five Jade Journeymen under a Center of Learning grant, but one could easily make the case that such a School will pay for itself anyway.
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I really think the U-K8P is putting the horse before the cart. (Love the Omakes tho.)
lets 'just' get the Libary with permission to expand if time and funds allow?
that way the thread can expand it in ways that are the most interesting instead of being committed from the beginning.
e.g I would prefer to focus on going on adventures finding lost or hidden books and scrolls over teaching for awhile. then after a while we can add the research part until we like moving on to the next addition like a museum part if we want to go back adventuring or a school part if we what to do that.
lets 'just' get the Libary with permission to expand if time and funds allow?
that way the thread can expand it in ways that are the most interesting instead of being committed from the beginning.
e.g I would prefer to focus on going on adventures finding lost or hidden books and scrolls over teaching for awhile. then after a while we can add the research part until we like moving on to the next addition like a museum part if we want to go back adventuring or a school part if we what to do that.
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- Aotearoa
Silver and Grey.
Granted, they count in typical greenskin fashion: One, two, many, lots!
Regarding the latest snippit:
Mathilde Weber, channeling Malcom Reynolds: "They tell you never to let a Waaagh into a dwarf-hold, but it is, on occasion, hilarious."
Also, Mathilde needs to check with Kazrik and Belegar about announcing the full reclamation of Karag Eight Peaks - because that's kind of huge news, and I imagine that they'd like to manage how it comes out.
- Location
- United States of America
This train does not stop. And it all started with the stealing of a simple gas mask.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
Gray, on grey, on gr-eh-y?Grey, on a background of glorious grey, bordered by the most resplendent grey.
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- Internet, The
Grey and silver can look extremely similar depending on the medium. Both are highly relevant to an institution created in commemoration of the reconquest of the silvery depths by a grey wizard. I think Mathilde would be highly amused by the ambiguity of which colour a flag is, and how the actual colour would change the meaning.
So… I'd add grey-ish silver or silvery grey, with individual renditions always being somewhere on that spectrum.
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- Singapore
In other words, Library with permission for future expansions to other facilities of a Center of Learning (be it research institutes, or schools) when the circumstances permit in the future, even beyond Mathilde's Lifetime. This means Mathilde herself doesn't need to cash that expansions in during her life-time , but if it turns out that circumstances make it so that she needs to invest GC or favor on setting up infrastructure for valued collaborators, the boon allows her to mitigate that cost
I do foresee actually some schools might emerge surprisingly early around the Library- Eight Peaks has no innate production of native runesmiths or native engineers right now. Giving the runesmiths and engineers and even Dwarven Priestly acolytes access to the Library (Except for Guild restricted sections) is almost common-sensical. Ironically, I think the creation of such schools actually provides concrete and early proof that the boon is in the process of being carried out bit by bit, would obviously benefit the Karak and give a very strong precedence (important for a Karak politics) for how any Library Charter expansions work.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
The original intent was just a really big library. A quiet place with a lot of books, where nerds hung out because they actually wanted to learn and all of the resources around them would be really expensive to get back home. All this talk of schools and teachers and stuff is pretty off from that.
Like, yes there's a big pile of knowledge, yes there's a big pile of people learning it, but no one's setting up a course schedule or charging you a decade of student loan interest to attend.
A repository, not a political institution, or anything that would need 'running', except in the sense of maintenance. The difference between a university and a branch college is pretty much nil, except that we'd also be including the mundane colleges that are next door to the wizard colleges. I'm not against the idea of a society of scholars springing up around the place, but the thematic feature creep is painting a picture I'm just not interested in.
Like, yes there's a big pile of knowledge, yes there's a big pile of people learning it, but no one's setting up a course schedule or charging you a decade of student loan interest to attend.
A repository, not a political institution, or anything that would need 'running', except in the sense of maintenance. The difference between a university and a branch college is pretty much nil, except that we'd also be including the mundane colleges that are next door to the wizard colleges. I'm not against the idea of a society of scholars springing up around the place, but the thematic feature creep is painting a picture I'm just not interested in.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
I can see engineers happening early—Gotri's radical enough for it—but not runesmiths. The latter are more on the traditional side and are both a guild and a priesthood.
- Location
- Chicago
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- She/They
Alright, Grey on Silver it is. I'd imagine the dwarves love it- just metal, either polished or sand-blasted.
Story updated, tweaked a bit around that and the game origins. Thanks all!
I honestly think everyone is in agreement with you, and feature creep is mostly people getting enthusiastic about far-future possibilities. It's why I wrote the things, after all. So i went back and pulled out my original phrasing of the boon ask:
"I ask that should any wizard agree to be bound by your law, the Karak allow them a place."
Which, yeah, big drift. If I were to reword it now?
"I ask that Karak Eightpeaks value knowledge and the sharing of it, that a great library may rise here and all those wizards and scholars who abide your law may study at it."
Story updated, tweaked a bit around that and the game origins. Thanks all!
I honestly think everyone is in agreement with you, and feature creep is mostly people getting enthusiastic about far-future possibilities. It's why I wrote the things, after all. So i went back and pulled out my original phrasing of the boon ask:
"I ask that should any wizard agree to be bound by your law, the Karak allow them a place."
Which, yeah, big drift. If I were to reword it now?
"I ask that Karak Eightpeaks value knowledge and the sharing of it, that a great library may rise here and all those wizards and scholars who abide your law may study at it."
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I agree with @Jyn Ryvia and @chocolote12 insofar as I definitely want Mathilde's focus to be on the library, assuming this Boon ends up getting off the ground. That being said, the "supporting factors" of the boon, like "allowing all scholars and magic-users who are willing to follow K8P's laws to come study" (which sneaks in the "sanctuary for wizards if a new persecution starts" thing that a lot of us are very fond of) seem like the sort of thing that would over time result in communities of learning springing up around the library and turning into something we would recognize as a university, even if that isn't Mathilde's primary goal. @Andmeuths's post above explains this very well, I feel.
We don't need to worry too much about the details at the moment. Belegar is not a Literalist Genie and we do not need to pare the Transcendent Boon down into a single grammatically-correct sentence or anything. We can explain the idea to him and sketch out how it might evolve over time and its implications, for its own development, for Karak Eight Peaks, and for wizardkind. It's not like we're asking him for a boat and a pretty dress and a pile of gold -- it's a single core idea that is gonna take a couple of forms over the course of its life simply because of what naturally happens when you create a large, curated, relatively-open-access concentration of knowledge.
We don't need to worry too much about the details at the moment. Belegar is not a Literalist Genie and we do not need to pare the Transcendent Boon down into a single grammatically-correct sentence or anything. We can explain the idea to him and sketch out how it might evolve over time and its implications, for its own development, for Karak Eight Peaks, and for wizardkind. It's not like we're asking him for a boat and a pretty dress and a pile of gold -- it's a single core idea that is gonna take a couple of forms over the course of its life simply because of what naturally happens when you create a large, curated, relatively-open-access concentration of knowledge.
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Asheram
Not quite altogether
- Location
- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
Will second this. I doubt that Runesmithing will leave the Master - Apprentice type of learning for a long while. Heck, my own grandfather was a Master Smith with Apprentices, and leaving that is something very recent.
perfect.
and historically there was a difference between a collage of learning and a college of education.
collages of learning would mostly be for scholars to continue that work. ( so Master's, PHD, and tenure research in modern terms) and the student-students would be a very small amount. (3- 10 undergraduates a year, and were more about pocket money for the scholars and paying of patrons by teaching their kids better then what they would get in COE)
colleges of education, on the other hand, would be what we think of today, where there are more undergrads. and were more about passing on information or trade then 'higher' learning. (few if any PHD's)
a university would be when the two was smushed together.
that's why I think any development from the Great Library would be a COL first, and only a COE far, far after unless we made one on purpose. as the scholars would not be that interested in teaching whole classes over their own study. (hell most PHD's today have to be forced to do it. I don't know one person in the politic's that wasn't a lecture that wanted to do any of the teachings over their own research, I know I hated it.)