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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Jyn Ryvia said:
you know, for people who don't really want anything from Belegar,( i want a bout.) maybe the trick would be to turn this boon into something else.

example: commission an shield or something made of Runes-/black Gromril for the emperor ( or amour for his bodyguards or something ) in our name.

1: debts payed
2: we get a Great Deed or two depending on how good it is.
3: we get to secretly give Mandred, chosen of
Ranald, something to help protect him when he makes is reforms or in the next chaos invasion.
4: another thing in the history books with our name on it.

or something for his whole bodyguard unit if is underselling the boon. (the Shields of Mathilde.)

thats only an example, but the idea is to turn the boon into something we can use elsewhere as we have a lot of dwarf cred
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Nah, its our boon.

Stop trying to give it up.

We've fucking earned it fair and square.

we have the right to be selfish and ask for something purely for ourselves as long as it isn't bank breaking.

use it damnit!
 
I'm against using the boon at this time. There isn't anything pressing that it would be worth spending on and also capable of providing that Mathilde could not also acquire by other means.

59 Dwarf Favor to be spent people.
 
I mean, stop providing lackluster options then. :V
Like, we do not need anything like a boat atm.

The whole issue is that we do not need anything Belegar could feasibly give us, aside from maybe just blank cheque on research and book buying.

OH!

wrt book buying and research
we could spend boon on making K8P archives to rival those of KaK
suck it Thorgrim our library is bigger
 
While so far my favorite would a dreadnought with a built in lab.
Giving an awesome gift for the godbaby in a highly visible way might be fun as well.
Like, the kid is going to be an adult in just 30 to 40 regular turns. Might as well get an early start on being the most awesome magical auntie ever.
 
ninjafish said:
I'd actually like to go beyond the old world occasionally, like, why cant we visit lustria or nehekhara to study thier magics?

Massive custom lab boat drastically helps with mobile research.

I don't care about the elftrip at all, thats all you guys thing.

I just wanna be able travel in style while being able to research any cool shit we find while out and about.

It's a certainly a better plan than all these boneheaded attempts to change dwarf culture, and its a hell of a lot more beneficial to mathilde than the wizard sanctuary idea, which doesn't really help us at all.
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  • Personally I like being at K8P and visiting our friends.
  • We could get a custom lab boat with normal favour I'm sure if we were okay with it being smaller then a bloody dreadnought.
  • Neither do I but a large portion of voters have made it a very big thing so it is probably going to happen regardless.
  • traveling in style is fine but again we could get that without spending an irriplacable Boon.
  • I agree that changing dwraf culture with the boon is foolish but it is well intentioned at least and not a selfish extraivigance.
  • Ther wizard sancturary would be a massive help to Mathilde, and her friends, if the empire ever turns against her. It would also fit her character as a College loyalist.
 
My new favourite is deffo Library of Karak Eight Peaks.
It is something Mathilde, with her book buying habits, will benefit personally from, but not enough to annoy Bursar.

And something which will be a boon to K8P and anyone who wants to read shit, really.

edit: like, recall Mathy borderline salivating over KaK's millenia of recorded history. It'd be quite IC for her to ask for the similar thingie to be placed in K8P, no?
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
you know, for people who don't really want anything from Belegar,( i want a boat, tho not dreadnought, Ironcled would do) maybe the trick would be to turn this boon into something else.

example: commission an shield or something made of Runes-/black Gromril for the emperor ( or amour for his bodyguards or something ) in our name.

1: debts payed
2: we get a Great Deed or two depending on how good it is.
3: we get to secretly give Mandred, chosen of Ranald, something to help protect him when he makes is reforms or in the next chaos invasion.
4: another thing in the history books with our name on it.

or something for his whole bodyguard unit if is underselling the boon. (the Shields of Mathilde.)

thats only an example, but the idea is to turn the boon into something we can use elsewhere as we have a lot of dwarf cred
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We can't use favor for other people, so I doubt we can use this boon in such a manner either.
 
Like, what can we get with the boon we could not get with favor and/or gold, that would not also break K8P or Belegar in the process?
Wizard sanctuary, sure.
Dreadnaught.
A mountain carved in our image?
Do we actually need any of those? Nah, not really.
I don't like the idea of saving the boon, because that's one more loose thread, and we dying before the boon is fulfilled could break Belegar.
And i don't mind "wasting" the boon, maybe just do something fun and interesting with it that does not provide much, if any, mechanical benefit.
 
High-level Dwarven book and library preservation techniques are probably better than human ones, even if humans got some basic elven knowledge. Perhaps a library to last the ages, and protected as well as a dwarven vault, so that we can store all kinds of valuable tomes. The sort of library where you find forbidden books chained forever more to a pedestal, so that they may be studied but never directly used. We can even provide our own first Tome of Forbidden Knowledge!

Lupercal said:
And how often are we going to be near a friendly coast? A Dreadnaught is not a river boat and we cannot take a dwarfern warship with us on the elfcation.
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Obvious solution: Flying Dreadnaught.
Just have to figure out how the flying towers work, or get Kragg to use his Master Rune to provide constant force. After all, the Dreadnaught should probably count as a weapon…
 
Its a pity that we can't commission and Thunderbarge. My main issue with the research dreadnaught is that it would be sealocked, if we could get a flying one I'd be all in.

EDIT: I recall some discussion of flying towers when we first started building towers. I was some issue preventing it, but I'm wondering if we could use our boon+college favor to commission a high end hybrid magic/runic/steampunk airship.
EDIT: Even a TARDIS gyrobomber would be nice.
 
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Plus, she already started on on a library, so it kind of fits, seeing as literally most of her money was spent on books.

What kind of wizard tower does not have a bitchin' library? :V
 
ctulhuslp said:
Plus, she already started on on a library, so it kind of fits, seeing as literally most of her money was spent on books.

What kind of wizard tower does not have a bitchin' library? :V
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I mean i'm up for mega library instead of infinite expenses account for research purposes as there's a lot of cross over there.

Ask Belegar to have a copy of every dwarf book that isn't proscribed for dawonger made and added to our library.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
I mean i'm up for mega library instead of infinite expenses account for research purposes as there's a lot of cross over there.

Ask Belegar to have a copy of every dwarf book that isn't proscribed for dawonger made and added to our library.
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Yeah, I am all for it.
Well, with the caveat that we do not need it now, of course, as it'll take years to decades of work and immense funds, I imagine. But I imagine Mathy and Belegar IC understand that nobody wants to ruin the hold, so that's self-evident.

edit: oh, and infinite book money ofc :V
Limiting to only dwarf books is not really...enough, although it's a good start.
 
ctulhuslp said:
Yeah, I am all for it.
Well, with the caveat that we do not need it now, of course, as it'll take years to decades of work and immense funds, I imagine. But I imagine Mathy and Belegar IC understand that nobody wants to ruin the hold, so that's self-evident.
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Again, Belegar explicitly does not. :V This is less likely to make him break himself and the hold then other suggestions but he will do that if he thinks that he has to to forfil our Boon.
 
ctulhuslp said:
My new favourite is deffo Library of Karak Eight Peaks.
It is something Mathilde, with her book buying habits, will benefit personally from, but not enough to annoy Bursar.

And something which will be a boon to K8P and anyone who wants to read shit, really.

edit: like, recall Mathy borderline salivating over KaK's millenia of recorded history. It'd be quite IC for her to ask for the similar thingie to be placed in K8P, no?
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you know, I actually like this, Boon: carve out a space in Kark Nar and Every year have a budget to buy as many books as possible on as many topics as possible from as many places as possible with a loresmith (or three ) on stuff whose job it is to make sure that any book that is getting old is recopied.

It will be call 'The Mathilde Weber Library of Mortal History and Knowledge.'

Aka: The Great Library of Karak Nar for the layman.
 
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ctulhuslp said:
My new favourite is deffo Library of Karak Eight Peaks.
It is something Mathilde, with her book buying habits, will benefit personally from, but not enough to annoy Bursar.

And something which will be a boon to K8P and anyone who wants to read shit, really.

edit: like, recall Mathy borderline salivating over KaK's millenia of recorded history. It'd be quite IC for her to ask for the similar thingie to be placed in K8P, no?
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Hmm. But obtaining records of historical knowledge, or generating new knowledge?

Perhaps if we were to ask for research funding, we should frame it as Belegar establishing a research institute in K8P, in perpetuity. Mathilde would be the first director, as long as she lived, but then the insititute, it's records, techniques and knowledge would persist even after her death.

That would initially primarily benefit Mathilde (as sponsorship for the research she does), be concrete enough for Belegar (I think?), and could also leave a lasting legacy for Mathilde, Belegar, K8P and even the world, if the research institute carries on successfully, advancing the pursuit of knowledge for the forces of Order.

We've already got some good facilities (to be expanded with the budget), in the various Towers of serenity and magic-calming and so on. The Karak has a Radical Grandmaster Engineer in Gotri- who is all about the new- who can be part of a Science and Engineering Faculty, and heck, newly radical Kragg will be working on his impossibilities of deciphering Bok. (Which means he's staying at K8P by the way, as I don't think Bok can leave).

Note this isn't specifically by and for the Colleges, as a branch (because I think that could also stress Belegar a bit), but naturally while Mathilde is directing it, the Institute is going to be a welcoming place for research-minded Wizards, and affiliation is likely.

Just a thought. Plus if the Director wants to keep spending her annual budget on books, she can.
Or to build a better library.
 
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It seems we are coming full circle. My initial desire is back in the spotlight. My power waxes once more.

Acquire B i b l i o t h e c a.
 
Like, we could ask Belegar to build a library of Alexandria expy.
Just need to place some budgetary and manpower limits to stop it from bankrupting K8P.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
You mean a yearly budget.
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Sorta.
But make it one that is tied to overall wellbeing of K8P so it can go up and down as needed.
Possibly forming some form of archivists guild of dwarfs don't already have one and fund it in perpetuity and task them to gather and preserve knowledge.
And because some of that knowledge is not going to be available for public, to protect it from the unworthy.
 
This library business... you've got to be careful with open-ended requests, mind.

If you ask for "a copy of every book in the Karaz Ankor", Belegar will hear "I must also send expeditions into every fallen Dwarfhold to recover any and all books that may have survived."
 
Alliterate said:
This library business... you've got to be careful with open-ended requests, mind.

If you ask for "a copy of every book in the Karaz Ankor", Belegar will hear "I must also send expeditions into every fallen Dwarfhold to recover any and all books that may have survived."
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He's not a genie, you know. 'That can be reasonably purchased with appropriate amounts of money' shouldn't need to be said, but there's nothing stopping us from saying it if we have to.

It's when the fundamental premise is unattainable that there's a problem.
 
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