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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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There's a pretty significant difference. Right now the cost is so high we'll almost never vote to pick up a new language. Whereas we can start getting them for free with Polygot.
It would, if you read each sentence in isolation.
In aggregate, it seems pretty clear that the thrust of my argument was and is speculative.
Not declarative.
I do not have the power to make Word of God declarations here.
With the possible exception of the Jade College, who apparently do recruit internally in this AU from families who have been mages for at least a generation or more, most of the other colleges draw their recruits from the mass of the Imperial population.
Plus, Warhammer Fantasy is apparently not the Star Wars Jedi. They don't seem to grab unformed young children, even from the orphanages.
Possibly because children that age require looking after.
Significant numbers of named wizards also seem to be recruited at ages old enough to already have opinions on religion before coming to the Colleges. Balthasar Gelt was old enough to pay his own way to Altdorf. Verspasian Kant had already spent several years learning at the libraries of Marienburg and then a year in an orphanage. Van Horstmann was already a fully fledged follower of Tzeentch.
And anecdotally, I will note that no one accuses the Colleges of being a godless institution.
Not conclusive, mind, but in an Empire where gods are empirically proven phenomena, religion is serious business, anti-magic suspicion is common and the wrong god can get you burned, it's yet another piece of data.
So no, I feel there is significant evidence to argue that religious life in the colleges is likely to bear a strong resemblance to the populations it recruits from. Not identical, but a recognizable relative.
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The official, state-sponsored Templars, who operate Empire wide with the Emperors explicit backing are members of the Cult of Sigmar.
A cross between the FBI and the Inquisition.
As far as I know, they are the only ones that the Colleges, which means us, are legally obliged to render assistance to on request.
The rest are everything from vigilantes to the equivalent of private eyes and county deputies or, if I'm being generous, state police.
What is a state in this context? Secular institutions like a certain city or province have their own secular witch hunters. While it is true the Silver Hammer have a privileged relationship with the Empire as a whole that is because Sigmar is the god who has among his commandments 'obey the emperor'.
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@BoneyM Concerning the boon, can we have the Mage Towers converted to the official, permanent property of the Mathilde (and by extension the Grey College)? Obviously the Sword of Gazul tower and any subsequent infrastructure would remain in the custody of K8P, but the rest of the facility is more suited to housing mages.
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Of course! Being recognized as a full dwarf and thus the right to add our own grudges to the Dammaz Kron!
We are going to be so petty about it.
It already is hers for the duration of her life. All the Boon would change is who gets it upon her death.
Ganurath
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For the Boon: It'd be a terrible hassle to have to ship the local humans with magical potential clear to Altdorf, and there's already precedent for an institution of magical learning outside the Colleges, thanks to Hochland. Would Belegar be willing to work out some sort of arrangement with the Empire and Colleges to have something set up?
With the possible exception of the Jade College, who apparently do recruit internally in this AU from families who have been mages for at least a generation or more, most of the other colleges draw their recruits from the mass of the Imperial population.
Plus, Warhammer Fantasy is apparently not the Star Wars Jedi. They don't seem to grab unformed young children, even from the orphanages.
Possibly because children that age require looking after.
Significant numbers of named wizards also seem to be recruited at ages old enough to already have opinions on religion before coming to the Colleges. Balthasar Gelt was old enough to pay his own way to Altdorf. Verspasian Kant had already spent several years learning at the libraries of Marienburg and then a year in an orphanage. Van Horstmann was already a fully fledged follower of Tzeentch.
And anecdotally, I will note that no one accuses the Colleges of being a godless institution.
Not conclusive, mind, but in an Empire where gods are empirically proven phenomena, religion is serious business, anti-magic suspicion is common and the wrong god can get you burned, it's yet another piece of data.
So no, I feel there is significant evidence to argue that religious life in the colleges is likely to bear a strong resemblance to the populations it recruits from. Not identical, but a recognizable relative.
The Colleges also teach that the nature of the gods, as they were taught by the cults, are at worst a lie and at best a lie that's told to children. The end results is described as 'All Magisters are aware of the existence of the many Gods and daemons, wholesome and otherwise, and do not underestimate the enormous power and influence these entities have over the mortal world. However, although they are careful not to offend these Gods and Daemons and even make offerings to them as and when it is deemed necessary and appropriate (as with the Amethyst Order and Mórr), Collegiate Magisters tend not to directly worship or offer their personal devotion and dedication to any of the Gods. It is a fine line between making respectful observances to the Gods and actually worshipping them, as a priest or another devoted citizen might, but it is one that Imperial Magisters walk.'
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And subsequently open the door to permanent changes on the Grey College's end. As it would be an official College Campus from now ad infinitum, that therefore means any investment the Grey College makes into it will last indefinitely, rather than just the lifetime of a single magister.
Having an official rest stop and marshaling point for any intentions the Colleges have on the Badlands would be nice.
Also Headmistress Mathilde has a nice ring to it.
I honestly don't see why people are so excited about polyglot.
To my understanding we know most of the languages in common use around the old world anyway.
Mathiled already knows:
Reichspeak is cross readable with Bretonnian, so nothing new there.
Do Tilea and Araby have much difference in what they speak, and what is going to actually be useful for us to know? I though Tilean at least generally spoke the same language.
What are we actually missing by my understanding:
Beyond that, it seems to me that past a certain point the library is unlikely to stack any further.
Am I missing something?
If not I'm favouring just hiring a couple of linguists for the few things we need and picking up collegiate.
To my understanding we know most of the languages in common use around the old world anyway.
Mathiled already knows:
Reichspeak is cross readable with Bretonnian, so nothing new there.
Do Tilea and Araby have much difference in what they speak, and what is going to actually be useful for us to know? I though Tilean at least generally spoke the same language.
What are we actually missing by my understanding:
- Elven magic language. Note we alreay speak regular elvish. Will be picking up regardless. May save 1-2 ap at best
- Eastern language for books. We have the skaven books but pretty unlikely to pick up too much more as it would involve Boney having to come up with a huge amount of original lore. Same for other eastern cultures.
- Nekharan - Do not steal from the tomb king libraries. It tends to end badly.
- Druchii - already covered by existing knowlege.
Beyond that, it seems to me that past a certain point the library is unlikely to stack any further.
Am I missing something?
If not I'm favouring just hiring a couple of linguists for the few things we need and picking up collegiate.
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Wait we still can't use dwarf favor in Karaz a Karak?
Did we not just Chaos Dunk on Thorgrims doubts?
I mean sure we proved him wrong here.
playing devil's advocate: isn't that backwards? you are putting the Trait before the goal. e.g 'we should start lots of learn languages actions because we have a trait.' instead of 'we are planning on doing a lot of learn languages actions so let's get this trait.'
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I sorta want to use our Boon on politics. Like, reach out for diplomatic relations with the elves? Permanently set up a branch College? Maybe sway the growing rift in Dwarven politics one way or another? Give Ranald a doubly-ultra-megacool temple?
Belegar would, but the Colleges would be extremely unlikely to be willing to set up a full secondary campus outside the Empire.
That is one chicken you really shouldn't count before it hatches.
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I expect that that's currently in limbo, since the dwarf political fallout depends on rolls that haven't happened yet.
Assassin is good. No actually assassin is pretty darn great.
But General of Fog is almost just awesome. Getting Martial into hero tier is nice enough but the kicker is +20 for scouting and moving forces unseen. Whilst the later is somewhat circumstantial scouting is something Mathilde does all the damn time and a vastly important thing to improve. Then on top of that sweet scout bonus there's also +10 for surprise attacks.
Shouldn't we wait to see how the Bok research goes?
Kragg sort of needs Mathilde to make sense of things right now so there's no immediate need to involve Belegar when Mathilde can make a persuasive case that her learning dwarf magic fundamentals would help Kragg recover lore.
They could give it a shot, but they stopped using them for some very good reasons and all the institutional knowledge of how to build them well is long gone.
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I'm sure that High King Grudgebearer will have opinions on our humiliating him in such a manner.
Tilean and Estalian are their own languages. Arabyan is its own third different language. They're probably three groups of languages whose members are vaguely related and not particularly mutually intelligible, judging by pre-modern Italian and Spanish. Someone that speaks the languages of one of the Estalian Principalities can probably just about understand someone from one of the others.
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I think we have it already. Thane.@BoneyM I don't suppose dwarves have an equivalent to Knighthood?
@BoneyM I don't suppose dwarves have an equivalent to Knighthood?
Closest would be Thane.