chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Maybe not, but when things come down to the wire, the wire is made of stabbing.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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I think the risk is more that after a major battle we won't get actual combat traits. There's only one on the list, Assassin. The others are about leadership or what to do in peacetime.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Im banking on assassin, polyglot xeno affinity. I want to clear drazh sooner rather than later and that involves killing their leadership.
My only problem with Polygot is that with our high learning, the learning tower, and some of the library bonus, we aren't really slow at picking up languages anyways.
it's only a mechanical complaint as its a good lore choice (I would prefer [ ] The great Library) but I think there is diminishing returns.
if we were really trying to learn every language it might be different. as every bonus would be needed.
- Location
- Austria
I wonder if we can spend favors or Boon to help us hunt down Birdmuncha.
He is a sensible Orc who knows to pick his fights and knows of Eye of Gazul.
Also, he got away from Mathilde, which probably annoys her Warboss-shanking part on some level
I think General of Fog would be most satisfying consequence of the way we did this campaign. It's a very fitting way to trait-ize the way she's been waging the battle. And the way she's been acting all the time, really, always trying to get more information on everything going on and deny enemy the same.
Nobody stops her from taking command of specifically scouts and other such forces, where she both belongs and, with this trait, would absolutely excel at. And +4 Martial always applies anyway.
OTOH, most of our success really owes (aside of luck) to loads and loads of information (and loot) gathering. So perhaps proper capstone of it all, once we keep in mind the death of Necromancy Hogwarts and the like, is Scout/Infiltrator.
He is a sensible Orc who knows to pick his fights and knows of Eye of Gazul.
Also, he got away from Mathilde, which probably annoys her Warboss-shanking part on some level
I think General of Fog would be most satisfying consequence of the way we did this campaign. It's a very fitting way to trait-ize the way she's been waging the battle. And the way she's been acting all the time, really, always trying to get more information on everything going on and deny enemy the same.
Nobody stops her from taking command of specifically scouts and other such forces, where she both belongs and, with this trait, would absolutely excel at. And +4 Martial always applies anyway.
OTOH, most of our success really owes (aside of luck) to loads and loads of information (and loot) gathering. So perhaps proper capstone of it all, once we keep in mind the death of Necromancy Hogwarts and the like, is Scout/Infiltrator.
With the way the library bonuses work, it makes sense to learn every language.
- Location
- Aotearoa
Arguably, from some points of view you could describe what we just did as assassinating 500,000 greenskins. While they were an actively hostile war party, the term has been used in the quest against similar enemies before.
I mean- we identified and confirmed the targets, individually each and every one. Marked them for death and killed them, unaware, unseen and without a fight.
...Poor Mathilde, that's quite the psychological burden.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
People should keep in mind that we aren't going to get these traits for quite a few updates, which means probably not until after the New Year in real life:
So there's no point getting too married to options right now.
So: the next update is going to be Turn 25 Results Part 2, which is the first half of 2482. After we finish the turn results, there's still the social turn and then an entire other turn, the second half of 2482, before we have the big wrapup of the Eight Peaks campaign and the trait vote.
So there's no point getting too married to options right now.
I wanna argue in favor of assassin. It's not a super cool trait like Windsage or Avatar, but it's something we do very often, and it's damn strong in those circumstances. It's +40! That's as many as four tens, and that's terrific.
Seriously though, backed by her strong martial, advanced assassination, murder sword and stealth magic, Mathilde is an absolute beast. That's 60+ on a roll where failure means getting hit by the cannonball sword that shuts down magic.
And here's a thought: Consider what a possible upgrade might look like, say Master Assassine. I'm not even going to speculate, but consider that there's a reason the thread is absolutely terrified of Eshin. So how long will it take to get that? I dunno, but given that there will be a vacation with the angry sneak elves in the not so distant future? Perhaps not too long.
And if we ever want to give Algard the final piece of best news, that's the way to make it happen. (Incidentally, that's also the way to make the elves agree that the dwarfs are totally right for once, Mathilde really is the best human. Do you want those elf headpats? [Incidentally incidentally, taking out Malekith is probably a great way to get Dark Elf favor too. Guy isn't exactly popular.])
So in conclusion: Assassin isn't the sexiest trait alive, but it's certainly cute in a person-next-door kind of way and we already have a great relationship (always marry your best friend). And finally, there's a very real chance that it will blossom into the sexiest trait alive in the not so distant future.
Foe Framejob: The greatest battle is one fought between enemies. Bonus to stoking conflict between enemy factions or framing them for your attacks.
Here's another battle trait:
Eh, we can take her (Name subject to change, couldn't think of anything better): Bonus to feigning weakness or unreadiness when commanding armies.
Seriously though, backed by her strong martial, advanced assassination, murder sword and stealth magic, Mathilde is an absolute beast. That's 60+ on a roll where failure means getting hit by the cannonball sword that shuts down magic.
And here's a thought: Consider what a possible upgrade might look like, say Master Assassine. I'm not even going to speculate, but consider that there's a reason the thread is absolutely terrified of Eshin. So how long will it take to get that? I dunno, but given that there will be a vacation with the angry sneak elves in the not so distant future? Perhaps not too long.
And if we ever want to give Algard the final piece of best news, that's the way to make it happen. (Incidentally, that's also the way to make the elves agree that the dwarfs are totally right for once, Mathilde really is the best human. Do you want those elf headpats? [Incidentally incidentally, taking out Malekith is probably a great way to get Dark Elf favor too. Guy isn't exactly popular.])
So in conclusion: Assassin isn't the sexiest trait alive, but it's certainly cute in a person-next-door kind of way and we already have a great relationship (always marry your best friend). And finally, there's a very real chance that it will blossom into the sexiest trait alive in the not so distant future.
Hmm, so more something like:
Foe Framejob: The greatest battle is one fought between enemies. Bonus to stoking conflict between enemy factions or framing them for your attacks.
Here's another battle trait:
Eh, we can take her (Name subject to change, couldn't think of anything better): Bonus to feigning weakness or unreadiness when commanding armies.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I want to wait and find out what the Waaaghbane upgrade is going to look like before making any decisions, but beyond that the Martial trait probably has to be Assassin, although I wouldn't mind GoF. Arcanatect is the Thing I Most Desire, and I think it's far more interesting than skipping a few language rolls. I don't mind the friendship trait, though.
also, I bet boney is probably going to tweak them a bit before then.
@BoneyM I really like the name "Stonehearted" for a trait, it covers a lot of potential ground (though obviously not all of them at once)
- Mathilde hardening herself to be a stone cold bitch with regards to the breeders and affirming each ork should die for the Eye of Gazul. Also possibly a tie-in with Dwarven Grudges
- Mathilde's growing affinity for and friendship with the dwarves and their society
- any potential soul-deep consequences for channeling the Flames of Gazul
- her understanding of tunnel fighting and underground tactics
- her understanding of the "common sense" of living underground. "this cave was likely formed by X, which indicates Y, meaning that it's good for Z, so the toilet will probably be in a tunnel over in that direction"
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I don't disagree on that.
I'm saying we are fairly good at languages to begin with, and we don't try to learn languages every turn, just as we need them, so do we really need to go above Good to Great?
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Mathilde is great and all, but she's still not a Dwarf prince.
We must always be number one.
Tobaro, after Sigmar, you're next on The List
{Tobaro: "Wait, what?")
We should be looking to learn languages up front if we get Polyglot, so we can maximise our library bonuses. If Polyglot makes it cheap enough, we can pick up one a turn, and be in position to massively increase them.
Any knowledge of the arcane Kragg has is basically runecraft, that said I think 100 dwarf rep is around the time we might start legitimately eying that. I mean sure no runelord would share lore with an umgi, but Mathilde has rather transcended that limitation in dwarf eyes. They are not entirely sure what she is but 'shoddy' definitely isn't it
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- Location
- Mexico
Regarding the boon, what do we want? I feel we are kinda comfortable right now, I guess we could ask for the sabbatical to go to Ulthuan, but that does not seem like the kind of boon this is.
We should probably ask for something that not only benefits us, but the Karak as a whole, but I can't think of anything.
Maybe we should wait until BoneyM gives us a few examples of potential favors before deciding.
We should probably ask for something that not only benefits us, but the Karak as a whole, but I can't think of anything.
Maybe we should wait until BoneyM gives us a few examples of potential favors before deciding.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
I rather like [ ] Battle: General of Fog and [ ] Blooded > Campaigner as results from the campaign, and [ ] Battle: Strategy & Tactics: Greenskins would make everything nice and even with our Strategy & Tactics: Undead and Skaven. Very satisfying.
I wouldn't say no to a Strategy & Tactics: Dwarf, what with acknowledging Dwarf strengths at holding an entrenched position and also leading them on some un-Dwarfy (or perhaps that's Kazador-like) raids.
[ ] Karak: Polyglot would be useful, although it would have been most useful a year ago. [ ] Karak: Collegiate would also be okay. I'll probably end up voting for one of the Library perks though, because I love that Library. [ ] The great library of Karak Eight Peaks in paticular has the most potential for story hooks.
I'm not 100% in love with [ ] Personal: Ancestor-Gods, but the Personal traits are a bit slim pickings, and I don't really want to remove the Sigmar negatrait until he actually is useful. Get your shit together, Sigmar.
@BoneyM , how about a Trait for doomed last stands, both turning them around and taking advantage of them a la Mors's final days? [ ] Hold the Gate or [ ] Siegebreaker or something like that.
I wouldn't say no to a Strategy & Tactics: Dwarf, what with acknowledging Dwarf strengths at holding an entrenched position and also leading them on some un-Dwarfy (or perhaps that's Kazador-like) raids.
[ ] Karak: Polyglot would be useful, although it would have been most useful a year ago. [ ] Karak: Collegiate would also be okay. I'll probably end up voting for one of the Library perks though, because I love that Library. [ ] The great library of Karak Eight Peaks in paticular has the most potential for story hooks.
I'm not 100% in love with [ ] Personal: Ancestor-Gods, but the Personal traits are a bit slim pickings, and I don't really want to remove the Sigmar negatrait until he actually is useful. Get your shit together, Sigmar.
@BoneyM , how about a Trait for doomed last stands, both turning them around and taking advantage of them a la Mors's final days? [ ] Hold the Gate or [ ] Siegebreaker or something like that.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
- Location
- Present
Personalized airship?
We're darting around all the time on borrowed gyrocopters, so a custom-build, larger thingy with Ulgu integration could be neat.
- Location
- Manchester, UK
- Pronouns
- He/They
@BoneyM: Not sure if it'd be a K8P or a personal option, but:
Runic Enchanter: You've seen, felt, and channelled the power of collaboration between enchantment and runework. You get a bonus to studying and working on projects that combine the two, and to persuading runesmiths to participate in such collaborations.
Runic Enchanter: You've seen, felt, and channelled the power of collaboration between enchantment and runework. You get a bonus to studying and working on projects that combine the two, and to persuading runesmiths to participate in such collaborations.
Falls into the 'perverse incentive' category.
Would definitely need more of a foundation laid before something like that ended up on her charsheet. The heavy lifting for the Eye was done by others, and that's the only significant example of combining runes and magic she's been involved in.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Nah, nah. We spend our Great Deed on a wolfship, then spend our Transcendent Favor to get it blinged out, and then we sail off to become the most fabulous privateer.