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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Zero Gravitas said:
But General of Fog is almost just awesome. Getting Martial into hero tier is nice enough but the kicker is +20 for scouting and moving forces unseen. Whilst the later is somewhat circumstantial scouting is something Mathilde does all the damn time and a vastly important thing to improve. Then on top of that sweet scout bonus there's also +10 for surprise attacks.
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General of Fog does not help Mathilde scout, but troops she commands become better at scouting.
Mathilde rarely ends up in command.

All of two times in the whole quest. (Drakenhof Castle and this battle just now).
Both times because stuff went Not As Planned.

Assassin is the better choice.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
playing devil's advocate: isn't that backwards? you are putting the Trait before the goal. e.g 'we should start lots of learn languages actions because we have a trait.' instead of 'we are planning on doing a lot of learn languages actions so let's get this trait.'
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No, I'm saying that getting enormous library bonuses is amazing, but it's not worth the many, many actions required to do so. It is worth a trait slot and many fewer actions.
 
Humbaba said:
I honestly don't see why people are so excited about polyglot.

To my understanding we know most of the languages in common use around the old world anyway.

Mathiled already knows:


Reichspeak is cross readable with Bretonnian, so nothing new there.

Do Tilea and Araby have much difference in what they speak, and what is going to actually be useful for us to know? I though Tilean at least generally spoke the same language.

What are we actually missing by my understanding:
  • Elven magic language. Note we alreay speak regular elvish. Will be picking up regardless. May save 1-2 ap at best
  • Eastern language for books. We have the skaven books but pretty unlikely to pick up too much more as it would involve Boney having to come up with a huge amount of original lore. Same for other eastern cultures.
  • Nekharan - Do not steal from the tomb king libraries. It tends to end badly.
  • Druchii - already covered by existing knowlege.

Beyond that, it seems to me that past a certain point the library is unlikely to stack any further.

Am I missing something?

If not I'm favouring just hiring a couple of linguists for the few things we need and picking up collegiate.
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Languages we can learn:
BoneyM said:
Sylvanian, Classical, Tilean, Estalian, Arabyan, Breton, Mootish, Kislevarin, Indie, Cathayan, Nipponese, Norse and Wastelander through the University of Altdorf, which has an arrangement with the Colleges so you can spend College favour there. Tar-Eltharin, Fan-Eltharin, Druhir, Orcish, Grumbarth, Dark Tongue, and High Nehekharan through the Colleges directly. You might be able to find a Low Nehekharan tutor in Araby. Myrmidian Battle Tongue and Thieves Tongue through the right Priests.

Probably a few others I'm forgetting, too.
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@BoneyM by the way, can we spend college favor to go to university of altdorf's classes? Besides the language ones, I mean.
 
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GreenTamm said:
I would suggest intellectual theft instead. Does someone know how copyright laws apply to the undead?
Does 70 years copyright protection begin with the death of the author, or when his corpse stops kicking? (The mouse would propably advocate the latter)
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RE copyright: See Fredrick van Abelhelm penning the Liber Mortis and being hailed as the father of necromancy.

On the other hand, Nagash is a giant tosser so nobody cares about his claims of intellectual property.
 
DragonParadox said:
What is a state in this context? Secular institutions like a certain city or province have their own secular witch hunters. While it is true the Silver Hammer have a privileged relationship with the Empire as a whole that is because Sigmar is the god who has among his commandments 'obey the emperor'.
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-State in this instance is the Empire.
Not an individual province or a city, but the overarching political entity.
I presume Abelhelm was not a random freelancer, but a Witch Hunter acting with the explicit sanction of the Emperor, and the resources that provided.

-I don't actually think there are many secular institutions per se in the Empire.
You are looking at something that seems organizationally like Tudor England here, only with Christianity replaced by a polytheistic pantheon and particular orders having more influence .

But outside the Colleges of Magic, I actually can't think of many secular Imperial institutions.
Imperial as in acting under the sanction and with the funding of the central Imperial authority, not some provincial charter from a city or noble or at best an Elector Count.
 
I am hoping the Thorgrim-Belegar reunion goes the same way that the Thorim-Bilbo did.

"You! What were you doing? You nearly got your clan killed! Did I not say that you were a fool, that your expedition was doomed and that reclaiming the lost karaks had no place in our future? I've never been so wrong in all my life."
 
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Guile said:
Mathilde is great and all, but she's still not a Dwarf prince.
We must always be number one.
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I really appreciated the truly in-character moment when Mathilde, having heard some other human was about to achieve a Human-Dawi First and become the first ever Human Thane, was like "This cannot be, it shall not be!" and cunningly maneuvered the recent situation to place herself in position to claim that honour herself. :V :V :V

(Take that, Francesco =P )
 
Alliterate said:
I really appreciated the truly in-character moment when Mathilde, having heard some other human was about to achieve a Human-Dawi First and become the first ever Human Thane, was like "This cannot be, it shall not be!" and cunningly maneuvered the recent situation to place herself in position to claim that honour herself. :V :V :V

(Take that, Francesco =P )
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Welcome to being number two, buddy
 
LockedMind said:
If the long red line is Karagril aqueduct, then Mathilde's towers are on the wrong mountain - they should be on Karag Nar (which is not adjacent to Karagril), not Karag Lhune (which is)
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It's supposed to be there King's Stair, actually, leading up to the Karag Lhune gates.


Alectai said:
Assassin is nice but not critical outside of certain factions that are very leader dependent. It'd be nigh useless against Dark Elves for instance.

General of Fog always applies in any kind of large scale military action. Better still, it's an upgrade of a Spell Creation Trait, so it'll likely make building stuff keying off of it easier. Want that Fog of War spell people have been talking about? This might be a prerequisite.
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We've never had trouble killing an assasination target, I view assasin as useless because we are already overpowered there, and so don't really need it. We have more marginal things where a trait would make a larger difference.

Briefvoice said:
I want Mathilde to get rid of her hatred of Sigmar because it's irrational and wrong-headed. You can argue costs and benefits and maybe getting rid of it doesn't stack up on that front, but as long as the trait remains it makes her a lesser person.
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It is entirely rational and well-earned in story.

Alratan said:
General of War applies when Mathilde is leading an army. She should almost never be leading an army. She should be assassinating enemies all the time.
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I like leading armies though! Both is good.

SuperSonicSound said:
I'm also pretty interested in

[ ] Battle: Assassin
New Trait: Assassin: Combat is easiest when the other person doesn't realize they're in it. +2 Intrigue, +40 bonus against unaware targets.
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Again, unless is failing an assasination is a risk, I'd prefer to build on other dimensions.

DragonParadox said:
Yeah he is but to be fair not for the reasons Mathilde hates him. Objectively Ulric for instance is worse than Sigmar and she's fine with him.
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To be fair, we've never encountered Ulric the way we've felt Sigmar's presence. He might be cool? Might not. Dice would drive a lot.

SuperSonicSound said:
I'm very interested in the fact that Collegiate has a teaching component to it and I really want that as well, if we ever want to do Theurgy on a large scale? We'll need collegiate, if we ever want to pass a successful Ulgu tongs -> other winds manipulate method we'll need it.
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I like the idea of a teaching talent and will vote for this. Also because the ducklings have been my favorite bits.

uju32 said:
Both for mechanical and thematic reasons.
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What thematic reasons? What themes of forgiveness have come up, and what reason would they apply to Sigmar?
 
uju32 said:
But outside the Colleges of Magic, I actually can't think of many secular Imperial institutions.
Imperial as in acting under the sanction and with the funding of the central Imperial authority, not some provincial charter from a city or noble or at best an Elector Count.
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The Imperial Gunnery School in Nuln and the Imperial Engineers School in Altdorf are pretty much the only two outside the Colleges. The Grand Order of the Reiksguard is secular, but that's sworn to the House of Holswig-Schliestein, not the Empire as an institution.

Glau said:
We've never had trouble killing an assasination target, I view assasin as useless because we are already overpowered there, and so don't really need it. We have more marginal things where a trait would make a larger difference.
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That's because we've backed out of trying truly dangerous enemies when we had the chance, like a fresh Eshin sorcerer, or the Eshin leader. It came up during the Eshin-Mors battle. There are other times where options may not even have been on the table. There are yet more times when we rolled very well, which we can't rely on doing in future.
 
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Glau said:
Again, unless is failing an assasination is a risk, I'd prefer to build on other dimensions.
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We had a lot of trouble assassinating in Karagril.
We also barely got the Eshin Sorcerer, and already decided there to not target the highest value target, because we acknowledged we are not good enough.
Getting that trait will change that :)
 
And let's be honest here, would a proper dwarf like Mathilde forgive a grudge without proper compensation?
When Sigmar gives us a reason to forgive him we will.
 
Glau said:
We've never had trouble killing an assasination target
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While I'm currently neutral on Assassin, I'd like to point at Alkharad, the Orc Boss in Karagril and the Skaven Council Agent as examples of people who gave us trouble. We recovered quickly in the latter fight, but we nearly died in both the former ones.
 
LightLan said:
We had a lot of trouble assassinating in Karagril.
We also barely got the Eshin Sorcerer, and already decided there to not target the highest value target, because we acknowledged we are not good enough.
Getting that trait will change that :)
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In Karagril we gave up on assassinating Warbosses half way through after Mathilde lost confidence as well.
 
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